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    #26655666 - 05/07/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What is race, I’m not entirely sure.  Is it ethnicity or could it be ethnicity?  Certainly it’s a biological category (East Asian, Black, Euro).  At what point does it morph or is a black person always a black person despite talking English and wearing blue jeans...

Has there been studies suggesting one thing or another related to race etc.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26655678 - 05/07/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Biologically and scientifically speaking, there is no such thing as race.
It’s a vague social construct that doesn’t really mean anything, as what “race” is changes from culture to culture, and even from person to person.

Most people conflate it with the color of someone’s skin, but skin color isn’t entirely correlated with ethnic or geographic origins. For example, a white person can have more African genes than a black person.

Race is just a made up reason to divide and categorize people. Anthropologists and biologists largely agree, there is no such thing as biological “race”.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: dizzy_simmons]
    #26655722 - 05/07/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There is no absolute genetic race, yet there are racial traits that are genetic.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: qman]
    #26655745 - 05/07/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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There is no absolute genetic race, yet there are racial traits that are genetic.




All traits are genetic. But since there is no race, there are no racial traits.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: dizzy_simmons]
    #26655782 - 05/07/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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There is no absolute genetic race, yet there are racial traits that are genetic.




All traits are genetic. But since there is no race, there are no racial traits.




If you want to go down the road of semantics and absolutes, then you are correct.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26655843 - 05/07/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What is race, I’m not entirely sure.  Is it ethnicity or could it be ethnicity?  Certainly it’s a biological category (East Asian, Black, Euro). 




Unsure what a biological category is. When I filled out my US census form recently, I noticed Egyptians are listed as white.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26655861 - 05/07/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What is race, I’m not entirely sure.  Is it ethnicity or could it be ethnicity?  Certainly it’s a biological category (East Asian, Black, Euro). 




Unsure what a biological category is. When I filled out my US census form recently, I noticed Egyptians are listed as white.




Biological category does sound a bit extreme.  Maybe genetic sub-specie.

I don’t think the US census knows what the hell their talking about.  Middle Easterners often get lumped in as the white “race”.  An outdated term.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26655906 - 05/07/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

it's about history and the migrations of our ancestors, and it's about crimes of one ethnic group unto another.
we should not forget the past, and should not repeat the folly of those crimes,
there is a long way to go yet,


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26655910 - 05/07/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This thread feels like some classic race baiting looking for a fight, but reading the responses I feel like OP is going to be disappointed.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: nooneman]
    #26655973 - 05/07/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread feels like some classic race baiting looking for a fight, but reading the responses I feel like OP is going to be disappointed.




I’ll credit RJ Tubbs for inspiring that.

Although I bit.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26655978 - 05/07/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Humans all have a unique complexion. 

Also, I’m pretty sure a race is when 2 or more people compete to see who is faster.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: qman]
    #26656008 - 05/07/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
There is no absolute genetic race, yet there are racial traits that are genetic.




All traits are genetic. But since there is no race, there are no racial traits.




If you want to go down the road of semantics and absolutes, then you are correct.




My argument is based on biology, not semantics. If you have anything to offer besides an uninformed opinion, please, show us the science.

The racial categories are completely arbitrary. If you're going to say people are different "races" based on the colour of their skin, why not make some more based on the colour of their hair? Or what hand they prefer to write with?


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: dizzy_simmons]
    #26656303 - 05/07/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

re: yellow pants / 'What is race?'
.    Eskimos are physically different from the African  Maasai, ( in some ways but not in other ways). Presumably if they met they could mate and produce offspring. Many of us have some Neanderthal genes as well as those of a number of other hominids.
(recent research confirms this). Many folks like to fuck what they find exotic, or what their parents don't approve of. Billions of people are the result. Hitler and notions of 'racial purity' are pure fantasy or bull shit. All life adapts to circumstances eventually and all circumstances change.
.    When populations become isolated from one another, for so long that they can no longer produce offspring from mating they are called a different 'species'. Race is not a scientific term. A little study of biology makes all this quite clear.
.    But the basics are as stated above.

.  As regards: " is a black person always a black person despite talking English and wearing blue jeans..."
.    it seems, that the above question confuses physical characteristics  with culture, and also that it is assumed there are only two choices.
.  Many travelers and anthropologists are at home in many different cultures and speak many different languages.
.    Also there is perhaps the assumption that all "blacks" are the same.
.    It would seem 'racism' despite its nasty results, is partly simply based on false assumptions, although some unsavory negative emotions, and projections also play their parts.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: laughingdog]
    #26656982 - 05/08/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Laughingdog, good points.  However I think that genetics and ethnicity the conditioned and unconditional aspects of a person aren’t without some kind of binding.  After all, in order to produce an ethnicity would presume that a category of people have come together which indicates genetic binding.  You can’t really have one without the other.  So I would disagree with some other posters and say that genetic categories aren’t arbitrary, although “race” seems unbecoming.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26657969 - 05/08/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

what you refer to as binding, is the result of historical migration and isolation, followed by periods of trade and joining with others, and then further migration and isolation. later to be revised with the rise of cities and empires with more migration and isolation and joining with others.

the reasons people make up for why they live someplace and are different than other people are innumerable, and they truly believe them.

we are all kinda dumb that way.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26658146 - 05/08/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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in order to produce an ethnicity would presume that a category of people have come together which indicates genetic binding.  You can’t really have one without the other.





Except that you CAN have one without the other. Adoption is one such example; if a white person adopts a brown Latin American baby, that baby does *not* grow up ethnically Hispanic. But if a Latino couple adopts a white baby, that child does grow up ethnically Hispanic. Ethnicity is tied to culture, not genetics.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26658733 - 05/08/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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what you refer to as binding, is the result of .... joining with others.

the reasons people make up for why they live someplace and are different than other people are innumerable, and they truly believe them.

we are all kinda dumb that way.




Yup folks love us versus them games. If they can't go to war, they play sports, or politics, or divorce, or in America bringing lawsuits.


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: laughingdog]
    #26659272 - 05/09/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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what you refer to as binding, is the result of .... joining with others.

the reasons people make up for why they live someplace and are different than other people are innumerable, and they truly believe them.

we are all kinda dumb that way.




Yup folks love us versus them games. If they can't go to war, they play sports, or politics, or divorce, or in America bringing lawsuits.



your edit of my sentence inside your quotation of it reversed the meaning of my sentence - completely.
oh well.
what you describe is also a stupid human pattern but unrelated to long term human migrations resettlement and trade that I am alluding to.

did you mean to make that mistake?


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Re: race things/things on race etc [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26659619 - 05/09/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think laughingdog was just cutting your quote down, & was focusing on the middle paragraph. You said people make up reasons for being “different”, and s/he pointed out this is “us/them” mentality. Which may be part of human nature, but that certainly doesn’t make it an accurate depiction of reality.


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    #26659680 - 05/09/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yup, exactly


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