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    #26654945 - 05/07/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you use manure instead of coir is the amount of spawn you use still as important?

I know with coir it’s important cuz the grain feeds the myc, but with manure wouldn’t the whole sub feed it??


I’m about to start experimenting with manure and if I can get the same results using a third of the spawn that would make a big difference.


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: A.k.a]
    #26654994 - 05/07/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve always felt like hpoo gave a little more something to the mushrooms, but nowhere near grain levels of nutrients. I used the same spawn ratios and just had slightly heavier and denser grows. I have never used cow doo though so I can’t comment there.


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26655114 - 05/07/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

on the topic of adding nutrition, I have a 50# bag of wheat bran I searched on how to utilize with cubes.

kinda reshaped what I was originally thinking the outcome would be. I had assumed more nutes via supplementation or changing sub would mean bigger flushes. But from searching, it seems like it really just extends the life of the sub.

So without any additional nutrition, grain alone will let clean spawn push multiple flushes before finally giving way to other molds. Adding nutrition will let it keep going longer.

Most of us don't go for 10+ flushes before retiring the substrate, so in that sense it seems like a waste* of time and materials

*culters preference tho, I am sure someone can justify it for themselves...anyways that's what I gathered when I looked into what I believe is a similar topic :cheers:


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: Camera93]
    #26655134 - 05/07/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Even if I had access to tons of free manure I think I'd still just work with coir for substrate. It's more pleasant to work with, pastuerizing is a pain especially if you do a lot of tubs.
I just use poo for pans


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: mushpunx]
    #26655193 - 05/07/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I got it when I started pans but 3 bucks for 50 pounds of sub is amazing. And if it makes them healthier and possibly yields more per spawn/tub that’s a bonus.

I guess it works without pasteurization too. The plan is to run a clone side by side in 3 grows. Sterilized, pasteurized and straight from the bag.

Even if straight from the bag only makes it one flush that works for the PE clone I have that does a massive first flush then puts out like four more mushrooms a week later and dies lol.


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: A.k.a]
    #26655474 - 05/07/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I quit using hpoo bc it increased my rate of contams. A more skilled grower may not have my probs.


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26655520 - 05/07/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I personally have always used composted manure from the hardware store and coir. I've just started some bins of plain coir, they seem to be colonizing the same speed as with manure, so we'll see if there's any difference between the two personally....I know when working with clones, I'd rather keep the substrate the same as the clone was taken from. Pasteurizing poo+coir takes maybe 2 hours for me, and that's just sitting in the oven, it's really not much effort, people who say the effort of pasteurizing is what keeps them from using manure have a low threshold of effort...Even if the manure only adds maybe 10 grams dry to a tub, that's worth putting something in the oven and ignoring for 2 hours imo...


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Re: Cubes and manure [Re: Justweed]
    #26655586 - 05/07/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My favorite to buy is poo/hummus compost unless you want to go get cow poo and make your own. I agree that it probably leads to more contamination, but if you're as careful as possible anyway then you should be fine. I do add about 20% coir to the pre-made compost to make the overall soil more airy, thus easier for the mycelium to run right thru...in my opinion, and proven if you consider one side by side comparison of one tub each a trial...that the poo/humus mix will produce about or well exactly that once 13g dry more PE cubes in a 60something I THINK quart tub over the first two flushes and just over 22g dry total. Good luck and I highly recommend doing a trial of ur own and letting us all know bc while a cube is a cube the only thing they really react differently to (correct me if I'm wrong please) is the substrate.


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