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AroundtheSon said: These days, any knucklehead in their mom's basement can put together an eye catching drama about lizard people and fake pandemics.
LOL, it's genius isn't it?
I mean the sheer fact that these is an audience for this special kind of tripe means you gotta give it to the people creating this crap; they're bloody marketing experts if they can get sane people to swallow it.
It’s more like if you don’t buy it you’re a psychopath that doesn’t care about suffering
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Or no one cares enough? Not sure.
Anyways, dude - have you ever seen Evangelion? Tell me!
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The Blind Ass said: Or no one cares enough? Not sure.
Anyways, dude - have you ever seen Evangelion? Tell me!
It's because people on here don't have arguments against it, they just try to belittle it as being silly. They clearly don't care about the suffering that happens so long as life continues to exist.
It's weird because people and living things want to avoid/prevent/end suffering and the only way to successfully do that is death. Therefor the only true compassion is bringing death to all things.
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Thats under the assumption that all life is suffering, which it is not.
Im not sure how to cure your suffering since u seem pretty set upon the Ways of the Solpism. But dont worry, Ascension energies are in effect right now. The Truth is coming Thanatos, just hang in there at least 2 more years.
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Part of the reason people aren’t taking you serious, is because a) you lack perspective but don’t know it and (b) your arguing like your little minded view is the truth on the pub forum of a mushroom website .... try and take it to the philosophy and psych section at least, or go and join a philosophers forum (it’s a real thing ), hell if you measure up in the least against some professors and some others like the advanced monks that chime in from time to time, you may actually find others who will give you the time of day the way you want.
Plus, you ignored my question about Evangelion, yet you wonder why people ignore your idiotic views, terribly backed views - which I’m beginning to be more sure of every day - is the expression of mental illness and delusion. Mainly because of the lack of coherency and intellectual honesty of both the premise and propositions that you express. Also the confirmation bias, the selective memory , logical incongruences and more that you do - are you even aware of it?
To advance philosophically you need to be aware of them. That’s half why no one “cares” about proving or disproving you - also bc they are living their lives. Cmon...
I’ve held off on assuming this has much more to do you your personal physio-psycho-social make up than you can probably imagine - but it’s likely because I didn’t want to hurt your feelings. But now you know.
And I’m saying what many sees but don’t say - it’s not your views, it’s you and your views. There’s nothing special about them, nor are the ultimate truth, they convey aspects of your experience of the world and that’s it. End of story.
Einstein himself couldn’t help you, because it’s not about truth - this is about your own life and mental health under the guise of this bs. I only say this because I believe you could use some real help, and egging you on in your delusions - wether proof or as disproof is simply concertizing them. I’ve done you a dis justice in that sense, and now am righting that ship.
Most of us are having fun, enjoying life, bonding with our significant others, wives husbands children, friends. Working, playing, singing, dancing, cooking, making love, tripping, growing psychoactive plants and other hobbies, we also hurt. We suffer, we feel pain. We feel terror. Anguish, malcontent, indignities , injustice, cruelty, and all the above and everything in between - but that’s human life. And the truth can’t be reduced to one thing or the other , it’s more majestic than anything than can be spoken out of ones mouth - though we bravely try.
as our lives unfold together in space-time atom by atom minute by minute via our very lives we learn the truth without effort, naturally.. Something that takes our whole lives to do, our attempts to convey it as shitty and limited...but we know of it in our heart of hearts regardless. Prelingually.
Just inherently naturally have a sense of the truth, that’s all.
Maybe you cannot relate, but that doesn’t mean your own experience is valid for everyone else, and as your version of the truth is based upon your experience as a being - you have no room to claim it does, especially not in the shit way you present it.
At least write an essay for gods sake, an actual philosophical disposition of your views with logical constancy before cramping up because people won’t take you seriously.
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If you can’t read that whole post, why assume people to watch some random guy on YouTube whose first line is “I’m a vegan”.
Everyone’s doing stuff already, alone or together.
Join the party, your on the party bus too - wether your aware of it or not - wether you like it or not.
Learn to. You think you have to figure out the truth before you live? That’s so delusional, that there’s no point in trying to argue with it.
Not knowing is just as fine as knowing, and they are likely just degrees of the same thing any ways. They also have no fundamental effect on ones ability to live life.
Now...did you watch Evangelion or not!
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 2
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It's amazing how you just keep trying to insinuate people are ignorant for not understanding your massive intellect but it's you who is being close minded. You just reject everything anyone has to say because it's not the answer you want. It's really sad. You made a list and refuse to let anyone add to it, all while you demand answers as to why there needs to be a list at all. Like if you had a shitty car you refused to fix and just decided no one should have cars because fixing your car makes you sad. Use your brain.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Thats under the assumption that all life is suffering, which it is not.
Im not sure how to cure your suffering since u seem pretty set upon the Ways of the Solpism. But dont worry, Ascension energies are in effect right now. The Truth is coming Thanatos, just hang in there at least 2 more years.
There is no "truth", no ascension. I'm not set on Solipsism, I just don't have a solid disproof of it.
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You have no solid proof of it either 
Edit: I'm not calling you a dumbass I'm just using that pic cos it fits my current facial expression perfectly :p
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The Blind Ass said: Part of the reason people aren’t taking you serious, is because a) you lack perspective but don’t know it and (b) your arguing like your little minded view is the truth on the pub forum of a mushroom website .... try and take it to the philosophy and psych section at least, or go and join a philosophers forum (it’s a real thing ), hell if you measure up in the least against some professors and some others like the advanced monks that chime in from time to time, you may actually find others who will give you the time of day the way you want.
Plus, you ignored my question about Evangelion, yet you wonder why people ignore your idiotic views, terribly backed views - which I’m beginning to be more sure of every day - is the expression of mental illness and delusion. Mainly because of the lack of coherency and intellectual honesty of both the premise and propositions that you express. Also the confirmation bias, the selective memory , logical incongruences and more that you do - are you even aware of it?
To advance philosophically you need to be aware of them. That’s half why no one “cares” about proving or disproving you - also bc they are living their lives. Cmon...
I’ve held off on assuming this has much more to do you your personal physio-psycho-social make up than you can probably imagine - but it’s likely because I didn’t want to hurt your feelings. But now you know.
And I’m saying what many sees but don’t say - it’s not your views, it’s you and your views. There’s nothing special about them, nor are the ultimate truth, they convey aspects of your experience of the world and that’s it. End of story.
Einstein himself couldn’t help you, because it’s not about truth - this is about your own life and mental health under the guise of this bs. I only say this because I believe you could use some real help, and egging you on in your delusions - wether proof or as disproof is simply concertizing them. I’ve done you a dis justice in that sense, and now am righting that ship.
Most of us are having fun, enjoying life, bonding with our significant others, wives husbands children, friends. Working, playing, singing, dancing, cooking, making love, tripping, growing psychoactive plants and other hobbies, we also hurt. We suffer, we feel pain. We feel terror. Anguish, malcontent, indignities , injustice, cruelty, and all the above and everything in between - but that’s human life. And the truth can’t be reduced to one thing or the other , it’s more majestic than anything than can be spoken out of ones mouth - though we bravely try.
as our lives unfold together in space-time atom by atom minute by minute via our very lives we learn the truth without effort, naturally.. Something that takes our whole lives to do, our attempts to convey it as shitty and limited...but we know of it in our heart of hearts regardless. Prelingually.
Just inherently naturally have a sense of the truth, that’s all.
Maybe you cannot relate, but that doesn’t mean your own experience is valid for everyone else, and as your version of the truth is based upon your experience as a being - you have no room to claim it does, especially not in the shit way you present it.
At least write an essay for gods sake, an actual philosophical disposition of your views with logical constancy before cramping up because people won’t take you seriously.
Because you guys remain ignorant of what reality is like.
People always tend to call someone crazy or mentally ill when they have views and ideas that they can't really counter act. You guys can't really deny that life is suffering and that as long as you (and life) continue to persist it will be at the expense of things around you. You can't really deny it and splitting hairs about how it's ok to care about some things and not other gets us nowhere.
No one has watched the videos or provided a convincing argument against them that doesn't reek of privilege. To call suffering a test is the height of arrogance and ignores the vast numbers of people who could not "pass".
This has nothing to do about mental health but strong questions that people don't really think about and go on living blissfully unaware. Reality existing and other people existing is something taken for granted but when examined isn't solid. You don't seem to grasp how terrifying it is that I can't prove other people exist, the very things you seem to use in argument don't really apply if they are not certain.
They don't get how the prospect of being cosmically alone is terrifying or how to cope if (and possibly when) solipsism is true. How can you possibly gas on about Evangelion when the ideas that we base our lives on can't be proven true?
You claim to truth without effort is just a dream, a hope. It can't be verified.
The only logical incongruities are in the arguments against solipsism which show an ignorance of how deep Solipsism actually goes. You are using things that can be verified to challenge what is TRUE. That I cannot verify that people and the things I love are truly real.
That's all I got from this thread is how little people grasp the issue at hand.
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spirit_shadow said: You have no solid proof of it either 
Edit: I'm not calling you a dumbass I'm just using that pic cos it fits my current facial expression perfectly :p
And yet that isn't any comfort because the opposite is also true.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
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It's more comfort than what you are spouting. Even if it is fake it's ok cos we have no way of finding out. Ignorance really is bliss.
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You guys have no idea of reality?
Lol... a lot of people on this forum, have a good sense of it - which technically is different from an idea, in that an idea is merely abstract and lacking in substance, much like your view of solipsism.
I mentioned your health because you mentioned being autistic or having Aspergers , forget which exactly.
I had a friend diagnosed as well, and he was literally the same as you. Funny, now that I think about it. He was utterly obsessed with it, but he couldn’t see what everyone else could see. But we could see what and what he ignored. even if that is not causal to my observation about you and you weren’t diagnosed as such - you still display classic symptoms of mental illness, hence my point.
And in that sense you two are exactly alike.
No point in trying to convince you, my life will go on with or without you understanding that it doesn’t matter one way or the other what you say about the world, especially when it’s not even thought out well.
You did your undergrad and got a BA I assume? 28 year old know it all, who doesn’t know he doesn’t know a thing. Obviously smart, but too smart for his own Good - but not smart enough to be good too. You can change that in an instant or over time if you wanted.
Try the philosophy forum for 1 thing, I’ll give you that advice as a freebie. If you really wanna talk about this- that’s the place - at-least for the shroomery.
The fact the you even argue at all, is the clearest indication that your just scared and lonely man, no need to be a bitch about it we are all human and thus can feel it too.
Just stop playing like your anything other than a human being like everyone else for the most part. Because to truly believe what you do, would mean your insane or qualifiable as retarded, not that the world can’t be known by man.
The human race, the world, and the cosmos will keep on being regardless of what you type next and forever more.
You are now rendered effete - emasculated - useless- by your very own way of thinking, and the attitude that supports it, enjoy.
If you ever grow up - which is what you actually need - not misinterpreted philosophy that you can’t currently comprehend in the appropriate context (not to mention the display of one sided egoic wisdom you love). the world will be there right where you left it.
Verifiable? no one needs to verify shit for life to go on. You don’t even have a basic awareness of the tradition of philosophical inquiry that mankind has developed throughout history, if you did ( but that wold require you to live your life before verifying it via the internet ) You might actually discover something beyond your own deluded view.
More truth? This has way way way way way more to do with your health and psychological state, and your life than you can admit openly.
Deny it all you want, pretend it’s just because life is suffering or that solipsism is all there is.
The fact that you can’t get over the truth, that’s the sign right there, it’s the sign that you are far from “getting it”...so close but so far away.
Atleast, the very least. Write a proper essay on your position and publish it in the proper location...that way you won’t be bewildered as to why no ones taking it seriously as you in the pub...of the shroomery...on the internet.. . I’m serious, it may do you some good to actually write it proper because then you’ll be forced to observe your own errors, or you will simply be ignored because not doing so and claiming absolute truth with nothing to go by but your own musings..is exactly what insane people do..or overgrown man children. Serious. Give it a shot, let’s see how you fare in the circles of people who do know there shit.
I will come watch and cheer you on, hell I’ll help prove your point with you to the best of my own limited ability - but some of these guys are beyond good, simply their intellect is on another level. If your truly interested and don’t wanna just mess around on the pub and troll I’ll Pm you more about it,
Gg.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
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If I had a soul, or if one existed, I would gladly sell it to forget all this. There is no price I wouldn’t pay to be rid of this for good.
I still cling to the dreams I have, not sure if they prove solipsism or not. Whether it’s future sight or shaping reality.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
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Man, my point is that it truly doesn’t matter one way or the other. There is freedom in that, sure we are limited in many ways, but it means this life, our experience is ultimately a freebie. Nothing to gain or lose ultimately. So why fret so much? Tell me that. Your just making waves where there are non by doing so.
To say it matters or doesn’t matter, in fact is a fictive lie in itself. A mere imputation upon emptiness. Your reaction to our true nature as emptiness is what makes me tilt my head. Practice lucid dreaming, and then you can ask your mind brain these questions you ask the shroomery. That should prove interesting if you can manage. Furthermore,
Even the self posited by solipsism is empty. The very thing raising the question, is empty. Like a magical illusion.
God wins.
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The Blind Ass said: Man, my point is that it truly doesn’t matter one way or the other. There is freedom in that, sure we are limited in many ways, but it means this life, our experience is ultimately a freebie. Nothing to gain or lose ultimately. So why fret so much? Tell me that. Your just making waves where there are non by doing so.
To say it matters or doesn’t matter, in fact is a fictive lie in itself. A mere imputation upon emptiness. Your reaction to our true nature as emptiness is what makes me tilt my head. Practice lucid dreaming, and then you can ask your mind brain these questions you ask the shroomery. That should prove interesting if you can manage. Furthermore,
Even the self posited by solipsism is empty. The very thing raising the question, is empty. Like a magical illusion.
Because I don’t want the people I love to be figments of my mind, I wouldn’t be able to cope with that reality .
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
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But it’s impossible to know absolutely with the kind of certainty your craving. I won’t deny that solipsism posits a very clever tricky good question, but to me it’s not just that ones own mind is all one can be sure exists. Descartes got scared, and left it there. The esoteric traditions of the East, and a few in the west went further still. Eventually coming to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that the nature of all phenomena is ultimately empty. All phenomena. How we get to that point though, has a very steep learning curve, and it’s not the common understanding that the public usually gets. It is there, it’s out there, and in a sense it’s within us. Those with eyes to see will either find it or they won’t - even if they will it so.
It’s not that 1 mind alone, of a single individual that is but real, and the others that they perceive via sensory data through the sense organs are basically false- it’s that all of them are empty of an inherently self existent nature.
It’s more simple, and more extreme - but it cannot be easily encapsulated in a word, and using a system of philosophy to demonstrate and illustrate it well enough for the most common of us to understand on a first pass read is a seemingly impossible task. Hence why it gets divided into a 2 fold system to describe things from both the relative and absolute view points of truth - and fewer traditions can coalesce the two and express it into a single philosophy that can do full justice to the truth of our lives.
Essentially in the esoteric abrahamic traditions that 2 sided coin looks like this , God view is the stand in for the absolute truth- and Man view or realm is the stand in for the relative truth or realm - they both occur co mutually and with each simultaneously as primordially interdependently originated and interconnected. One is from the point of view of duality, the other is from non duality. One encompasses the other, but not the other way around. As symbolic language goes, that’s the gist of it. But that type of understanding is rarely understood through and through and to the letter in public household life. The two truths aren’t separate, and go together..
Wether an immediate and unapproachable cool headed view from the schools of Dzogchen or many of the Vajryana vehicle is your thing, or the middle way of the Mahayana vehicle such as some surviving Zen lineages, or the Thai forest traditions were the likes of heavy disciplined, ascetic yet highly technical no-nonsense philosophical schools ie. Thannisario Bikkhu who practices the incomparable way - that’s for you to discern and learn for yourself, if you ever wished to see and know that there are humans who exist that you cannot lump into some blanketing statements.
They have kept the flame lite all these years, you can go and find them if you want and learn. But, beware - many trappings along the way to finding a genuine community of monks on the esoteric schools of Buddhism. It takes discernment and trial and error..any ways there’s that...otherwise your just a lay believer who may be duped or grafted... - but that’s not what you want right?
Carrying On,
This solves the paradox of solipsism very neatly and for good. Though how I expressed it in writing probably didn’t connect with you in a way that transmits what in my head to yours- but maybe it did . Even so, the problem of solipsism remains for most - the problem being how individuals react to having the rug pulled out from under them like so. What this does does it chop through a Gordian knot, it solves the impossible koan - and when truly Grocked by oneself it is liberating - freeing the experiential dimension of our own life.
So, I ask whose response to our life as temporarily embodied sentient beings is most appropriate? Which is the most high given the conditions of the situation in which we find ourselves?
It’s more realistic to believe we are all phantoms in a higher beings mind, than to believe just one individual human is the progenitor of all.
We are limited in our capacity to know, so we must be our best with what we can know. And we cannot know our own minds merely intellectually, to do so is to subject ourselves to a one sided madness with no answer. Why? Because the intellect is not the mind itself, the intellect is a function of the mind, a part of the whole. Just Like the function of memory - or the ability to remember and recall is a function, a part of the whole and not the whole itself. To miss appropriate so much belief to a singLe function of the immeasurable whole of Mind seems a tragic error. Intellect is highly useful in the mundane world, and if all you know is the mundane world than it may be okay.
However, your delving into things that are beyond the intellect, and requires more than just it alone. It requires the whole capacity of mind. And that’s not something that has been kept alive as a tradition in the modern house holders world. .
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Just going to mention Thanatos that it might be worth it to get some help on these issues you have outside an internet forum. I concur with what BlindAss said. I understand that you cant simply let these existential problems go. Just get some help and be curious about other perspectives before you spend all your life trapped in misery and despair.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
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InnerWisdom said: Just going to mention Thanatos that it might be worth it to get some help on these issues you have outside an internet forum. I concur with what BlindAss said. I understand that you cant simply let these existential problems go. Just get some help and be curious about other perspectives before you spend all your life trapped in misery and despair.
I recognize that I tend to favor philosophy that makes me suffer and agonize but nothing that helps me. Even when I can see the errors in logic, like there being no proof for the foundations of solipsism, I still favor what hurts me. It’s been that way for a while. Nihilism hurts me so I favored it.
That explanation went over my head though.
I’m just scared of the cosmic loneliness aspect, that’s all.
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Today I put quinoa in my rice cooker, to great effect. As my house filled with the most delicious scents I counted my blessings, among them being so much more than a figment of Thanatos' imagination.
Pretty brutal? Not really.
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