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    #26652172 - 05/06/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here is what I will have to work with:

spores
vermiculite
whole brown rice
pressure cooker
gypsum
soil (mix happy frog, black gold seedling mix, castings, & hydrated lime)
monotub (2' x 3' x 2' tall)
spray bottles
quart mason jars
aluminum foil
duct tape

Did I miss anything? What's my best tek for not spending more money and for getting the most out of my first run? I'd consider bee pollen since I like having some on hand anyway! I am very interested in using the brown rice whole since I intend to work with grains in the future. Should I put some verm in the brown rice to keep it from caking together badly?


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652176 - 05/06/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

you dont need the

gypsum
soil (mix happy frog, black gold seedling mix, castings, & hydrated lime)
and duct tape.

You should follow a tek.

Start with a tek and follow it to the T


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652178 - 05/06/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Go for PF tek with your resources. When you want to switch to grain, get some cereal grain.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: woofwoof]
    #26652189 - 05/06/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well I am done buying. I have maybe $25 left to spend right now so, since there is not a tek with this arrangement of materials, I actually cannot follow a tek down to the last detail.

Anybody? Have at me with the biology and chemistry if you must. I'll wait.

Can't exactly do BRF Tek with four quart mason jars.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652193 - 05/06/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How about a revised version of Shroom Wizard Tek here?


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652198 - 05/06/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Since I am at the end of my budget, and cannot get those kind of mason jars mailed for under $15 it seems, I am stuck with quart jars. I have enough money for wild bird seed and can get it locally. While I can grind down my brown rice, I am stuck with these particular jars.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652203 - 05/06/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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cannot get those kind of mason jars




Meaning half pint jars... can't get ANY mailed for under 15 as far as I can find


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652204 - 05/06/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

use wbs! Its cheap and effective


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652206 - 05/06/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you are going to go the grains route, you would want to start off with agar first, which means more supplies.

Why can't you get half pint jars for under 15$?? If you go to the grocery store or Walmart they are like 8-9$ for 12

Do you live in the U.S?


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: mushpunx]
    #26652209 - 05/06/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Why can't you get half pint jars for under 15$?? If you go to the grocery store or Walmart they are like 8-9$ for 12




My local stores have not had these the last three times I looked and I cannot get them MAILED for under fifteen.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652211 - 05/06/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

$10 pack of jelly jars (4oz-125ml). Are the spores in a syringe?
Can you flour the whole brown rice with a coffee grinder or blender?


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652213 - 05/06/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ah. Well you can use the taller half pints if they have those, they will work fine. I've never seen the wide mouth half pints in stores.

Literally every grocery store or Walmart I've been in has had the tall half pint jars for under 10$

 


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652216 - 05/06/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ship to store and pick up in store. Shouldn't have a delivery charge.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: FrankRhizo]
    #26652220 - 05/06/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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$10 pack of jelly jars (4oz-125ml). Are the spores in a syringe?
Can you flour the whole brown rice with a coffee grinder or blender?




please see other comments - can't get the jars...

have a syringe

see your other comment now... might try having it shipped there


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652223 - 05/06/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

is a syringe really inferior to agar?


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652232 - 05/06/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The syringe is for PF Tek. Just asking if you have a syringe or print.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652257 - 05/06/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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is a syringe really inferior to agar?





Spore prints are taken from mushrooms that were grown in open air, therefore the prints are not completely sterile, and since syringes are made from prints, they are never 100% clean. BRF cakes are much more forgiving in that aspect, syringes are usually clean enough for that but if you are working with grains you should start with a clean culture on agar first.

People used to inoculate grains with spore syringes, and you *can* do it, but you risk losing your whole grow.

Honestly man, instead of finding some sub par Tek to suit what you have,maybe just wait till you have another $10 and can buy what you need


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: mushpunx]
    #26652333 - 05/06/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alright. Probably going to inoculate BRF and see then about spawning the busted up resulting cake. That DOES keep me from having to look at this one used pressure cooker. Saves me forty bucks so I can order jars!!

After my first, I hope to switch to grain bags. Maybe oats or millet.

Thanks again!


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    #26652345 - 05/06/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Right on man :thumbsup:
When you do move to grains, start with agar!

Good luck


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: mushpunx]
    #26652355 - 05/06/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody know the role of coconut in some BRF teks? I HAVE some, is the point. Below is one such recipe.

Hippie3 Super Tek Recipe


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652358 - 05/06/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nah don't bother. Just go with classic BRF cakes. Watch RR's demonstration of it in his Let's Grow Mushroom's video series , it's the best PF Tek resource IMO.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: mushpunx]
    #26652365 - 05/06/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

bruce bruce you can spore to grain its just not optimal. I was just in your position last month - waddyagonnado? its hard to get stuff, money may be tight, and here you are.

since you got the rice find a brown rice TEK and follow that so you dont fuck up your rice. Id recommend WBS (with no fruits) with your last dollar, but you do you.

then use whatever jars you have as long as you can PC them and put a GE hole in the top. jelly jar, peanut butter jar, whatevs.

your measurements may be 'off' on quarts or pints or w/e, but maybe not, as most stuff is some standard size (2 pint peanutbutter jar etc).

your spawn ratio can be 1:1 up to about 4:1 so some leeway is there.

edit: ya got no substrate in your list man. bake a cake like ^^


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26652463 - 05/06/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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edit: ya got no substrate in your list man. bake a cake like ^^




Probably grinding the rice down since it will save me buying a pressure cooker just yet but spawning to soil (mix happy frog, black gold seedling mix, castings, & hydrated lime, verm, all very low NPK but rich in organics)

So, should I sterilize the soil first? I have heard about baking and heard it not recommended. I've even heard people say that part doesn't matter, only the initial colonization in jars.

I'm open.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652473 - 05/06/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

spawning to soil sounds like a really bad idea.
I followed a tek when i very very first started in mushroom cultivation, where it had me scrape spores straight into brf jar. I did it in open air, this was like in 2000. I did 20 jars, and only 1 had myc on it. The tek said to spawn to soil (i dont remember the brand or type) but that shit got cobweb mold, and I really mean cobweb mold! It was literally like 6 inches high form the sub yikes! That was a really fucked up experience...lesson learned? dont use out dated teks. If your going to do pf cakes, just use verm..no soil, just use coir. It doesn't harbor contams like soil might.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: woofwoof]
    #26652475 - 05/06/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think the hardest part about being a n00b when it comes to mushroom cultivation, is knowing which teks to use, being able to identify information. I really suggest checking out RR's "Lets grow mushrooms" series. This will bring you success if you follow it exactly


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: woofwoof]
    #26652499 - 05/06/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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woofwoof said:
spawning to soil sounds like a really bad idea.
I followed a tek when i very very first started in mushroom cultivation, where it had me scrape spores straight into brf jar. I did it in open air, this was like in 2000. I did 20 jars, and only 1 had myc on it. The tek said to spawn to soil (i dont remember the brand or type) but that shit got cobweb mold, and I really mean cobweb mold! It was literally like 6 inches high form the sub yikes! That was a really fucked up experience...lesson learned? dont use out dated teks. If your going to do pf cakes, just use verm..no soil, just use coir. It doesn't harbor contams like soil might.



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I think the hardest part about being a n00b when it comes to mushroom cultivation, is knowing which teks to use, being able to identify information. I really suggest checking out RR's "Lets grow mushrooms" series. This will bring you success if you follow it exactly




bruce bruce it seems like youre not hearing the words on this page here big daddy.

if you want help, listen to what these people are saying.

no soil. RR TEK. cakes.

if you want to science, go science and post up your TEK.

we would love to read it.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26652514 - 05/06/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There are teks that deal with what I am saying and I am listening alright but people are not all on the same page so I am listening more to some than to others.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26652525 - 05/06/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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bruce bruce it seems like youre not hearing the words on this page here big daddy.

if you want help, listen to what these people are saying.

no soil. RR TEK. cakes.

if you want to science, go science and post up your TEK.

we would love to read it.




If you follow everything before your arrival you will see that I'm not just putting my fingers in my ears. Made one very visible concession - not using whole rice though it was specifically suggested. Everything else is not my invention but processes that can be found all over this message board.

Incidentally, I am getting a pressure cooker after all and I have watched the series you're recommending several times.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26652529 - 05/06/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

woofwoof said:
spawning to soil sounds like a really bad idea.
I followed a tek when i very very first started in mushroom cultivation, where it had me scrape spores straight into brf jar. I did it in open air, this was like in 2000. I did 20 jars, and only 1 had myc on it. The tek said to spawn to soil (i dont remember the brand or type) but that shit got cobweb mold, and I really mean cobweb mold! It was literally like 6 inches high form the sub yikes! That was a really fucked up experience...lesson learned? dont use out dated teks. If your going to do pf cakes, just use verm..no soil, just use coir. It doesn't harbor contams like soil might.



Quote:

woofwoof said:
I think the hardest part about being a n00b when it comes to mushroom cultivation, is knowing which teks to use, being able to identify information. I really suggest checking out RR's "Lets grow mushrooms" series. This will bring you success if you follow it exactly




bruce bruce it seems like youre not hearing the words on this page here big daddy.

if you want help, listen to what these people are saying.

no soil. RR TEK. cakes.

if you want to science, go science and post up your TEK.

we would love to read it.




Those aren't my words that you've quoted.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: mushpunx]
    #26652531 - 05/06/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah don't bother. Just go with classic BRF cakes. Watch RR's demonstration of it in his Let's Grow Mushroom's video series , it's the best PF Tek resource IMO.




Thanks. Looks like you have a lot of experience here. I appreciate your time.


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26652561 - 05/06/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Were not trying to shoot you down here dude. Just based on your posted question, you have all you need to do some growing.

I just recommend the pk tek from RR because I had success with it as first successful grow, along with a lot of others here.

If you found a tek, which it seems you have, then your good to go homie, just follow it and you should have success.

My whole point is simplicity. Sometimes just doing very stupid simple things will go much further than you can imagine.

I have been a member here for several years (had an another account and unable to access it) and reading and growing with methods here, I have not seen or heard of this tek you are referencing. I just see what the hot latest topics are and methods used and see success from others and myself.

Either way, learn from your mistakes, learn how to cut money where you can, because this hobby can get expensive, with stuff you could get the same results from with ditching stuff that may not be needed.

The reason I say to avoid the soil, is, if you run into issues and you post a question, it may be hard to answer because soil, in my opinion is not mentioned here much and you may have a hard time getting answers.

Try it out tho! But if your on a budget and really want a sure fire way to grow shrooms as well as receive lots of support from everyone on this forum, it's best to do something we are all familiar with. I am not saying there is no info out there on it. Its like every company who manufactures a product, are using all the same base line concepts and ideas (unless your stellar like Tesla) but even then, the same concepts and principles are used to end up with the same product result.

Sorry fro the rant, but I think you understand my point. And I think you will do fine! Just learn by doing, you got this homie


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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: woofwoof]
    #26668134 - 05/13/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Were not trying to shoot you down here dude.




Never really thought so...

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Re: Noob Limited Supplies [Re: Coyote Bruce]
    #26668144 - 05/13/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say spawning to soil in a pinch in fine.



Presuming you're doing brf cakes I'd spawn to the soil but without the lime, pasteurized (in jars on the stove), or not -- I didn't pasturize for the above pic, just repotted soil.


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