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Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd
    #26633190 - 04/27/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I hope Floyd is recognized in the future for musical brilliance on par with classical greats. So many of their songs like this are so introspective and both their lyrics and instrumental music are filled with as many spiritual themes as possible making their work so brilliantly powerful. Like how the crazy time signature and looping nature of "Money" reflects the endless madness brought on by greed.

The lyrics of "Echoes" seem to be about evolution, then relating the grand order of life to the individual.

The first verse is mentions "deep beneath the rolling waves in labyrinths of coral caves" - the sea floor and rocks on which the first microorganisms grew. In the first years of life - "everything was green and submarine", until plant life came about "but something stirs and something tries, and starts to climb towards the light" and filled earth's atmosphere with oxygen, paving way for new, larger, and more powerful forms of life.

The second verse relates how we all came from one place and are all powered by the sun to the individual; "Strangers passing in the street/by chance to separate glances meet/and I am you and what I see is me"

I could go on for ever about the introspective themes in Floyd's music so I'll stop here for now, was just wondering if anyone else had notes about the endless powerful themes in this song.

Also, do you think there will always be Pink Floyd fans or will the world's attention span be too diminished by garbage rapid fire media like tik tok to be able to sit through a full album?

P.S. I might actually have a seizure if someone were to pause a piece like "echoes" while I'm tuned in, definitely on acid


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26633368 - 04/28/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'll get downvoted to hell, but as a massive prog rock fan, especially of that era, I can think of several bands I prefer more. Pink Floyd had massive commercial success, no doubt. There's just a lot more music from that era that's equally as good that gets overlooked.

I maintain my position that Dark Side of The Moon is the most overrated entry in their catalog, as well as the single-most overrated prog album of all time.

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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26633397 - 04/28/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

remember a day...

Yeah echoes is godly, and I love most of Floyd’s work .


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26642329 - 05/01/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll get downvoted to hell, but as a massive prog rock fan, especially of that era, I can think of several bands I prefer more. Pink Floyd had massive commercial success, no doubt. There's just a lot more music from that era that's equally as good that gets overlooked.

I maintain my position that Dark Side of The Moon is the most overrated entry in their catalog, as well as the single-most overrated prog album of all time.

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Most def. the most overrated Floyd. Atom heart Mother and Animals shit all over it :smile:


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: oculodextro]
    #26642464 - 05/02/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Atom Heart Mother is certainly not better than The Dark Side of the Moon by any reasonable metric, and the band would agree. I do think Atom is a bit overlooked as "Allan's Psychedelic Breakfast" is a pleasant audio experience as are the middle tracks. Actually, the middle tracks are an interesting showcase of Floyd doing brief and simple songs in a more conventional '70s rock style. Nonetheless, the album grossly suffers from a meandering and underdeveloped opening track as well as a noticeable lack of focus and purpose compared to the band's later albums (starting with Meddle. While I would agree that Dark Side is not Pink Floyd's greatest accomplishment musically speaking, its overarching themes of the circle of life and life cycle of an individual on the first half paired with a broader look at society and social division on the second half make for a much stronger artistic statement and overall emotional experience for the listener. Where lyrics are concerned, it's hard to find anything stronger than Dark Side.

Anyways, to focus back on "Echoes", it serves as an example of what Pink Floyd attempted on "Atom Heart Mother" when executed well - a musical journey with thought-provoking lyrics of existential and ethical pondering taking place over multiple movements and featuring unconventional sounds that range from calm and gentle as a lake to raucous as a waterfall.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26642505 - 05/02/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Echoes was supposedly part of the inspiration for darkside. Roger waters said something along those lines, though I don't remember the exact quote. Definitely one of their best tracks. I used to listen to it when I was younger at a very specific time in my life, so it's very nostalgic for me, but I don't listen to it very often.

I prefer their pre-darkside albums, but darkside is definitely very good (it deserves the reputation it has IMO). Of their early albums, I think atom heart mother is a bit overrated, and I think their other early albums are a bit underrated. I don't really count Piper at the Gates of Dawn as one of their early albums because that album was really a syd barrett album that isn't anything like the other early albums, so it's in a category all its own. Having said that, I'd place Piper at the Gates of Dawn above all the other early albums if I was ranking them side by side, but it's apples to oranges because of how wildly different it is. It's practically not even the same band.

So if we leave Piper at the Gates of Dawn aside, my favorite early albums would probably be Meddle, Obscured by Clouds and More, but I'm not sure exactly which is first, second, or third because they all contain roughly an equal number of songs that I'm a huge fan of. When I look at them, I easily want to place Obscured by Clouds or More higher than Meddle, but Meddle has Pillow of Winds, Fearless, AND Echoes so it's hard to decide.

When listening, I often skip around between songs from those three albums, bouncing from Pillow of Winds to Burning Bridges, Cirrus Minor, Green is the Colour, Cymbaline, etc. etc. Really, I just bounce around between those three albums' songs at random.

I very rarely actually listen to echoes though, as I said it's connected with a very specific time in my life, and I have to be in the right mood to go there. Whereas Pillow of Winds is welcome any old time.

I've listened to all of these extensively while tripping, and pillow of winds never fails to calm me down if something is going wrong.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: nooneman]
    #26642549 - 05/02/20 01:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:bigyesnod:


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: GH19971]
    #26642967 - 05/02/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Atom Heart Mother is certainly not better than The Dark Side of the Moon by any reasonable metric, and the band would agree. I do think Atom is a bit overlooked as "Allan's Psychedelic Breakfast" is a pleasant audio experience as are the middle tracks. Actually, the middle tracks are an interesting showcase of Floyd doing brief and simple songs in a more conventional '70s rock style. Nonetheless, the album grossly suffers from a meandering and underdeveloped opening track as well as a noticeable lack of focus and purpose compared to the band's later albums (starting with Meddle. While I would agree that Dark Side is not Pink Floyd's greatest accomplishment musically speaking, its overarching themes of the circle of life and life cycle of an individual on the first half paired with a broader look at society and social division on the second half make for a much stronger artistic statement and overall emotional experience for the listener. Where lyrics are concerned, it's hard to find anything stronger than Dark Side.

Anyways, to focus back on "Echoes", it serves as an example of what Pink Floyd attempted on "Atom Heart Mother" when executed well - a musical journey with thought-provoking lyrics of existential and ethical pondering taking place over multiple movements and featuring unconventional sounds that range from calm and gentle as a lake to raucous as a waterfall.




Did the band actually state they didn't like Atom heart mother. As a classical/prog fan, I thought it was a really epic/spacey/evolving jam. Then again I'm a sucker for 20+ minutes jam that fold and fade through the ether.

Opinions on music are just that, some are going to adore some things and hate other things. Can we all agree the worst floyd is several species of picts?


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: oculodextro]
    #26643983 - 05/02/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

All band members have expressed negative views on the album. I'll add that I don't wholly agree with their assessments of the album and enjoy the middle tracks, particularly the lullaby-esque "If". I enjoyed the longer tracks when I first heard the album in high school, a difficult period that Pink Floyd helped me through. While I never found it as impressive as their longer suite like "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" or "Echoes", I did enjoy hearing a lesser-known composition. I also believe that any piece of music has the potential to offer something even if the music itself isn't a masterpiece. Above all, as I see it, a band that has never released material with mixed results has likely not experimented all that much, and I'd much rather listen to a band that takes a chance than plays it safely.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: GH19971]
    #26644084 - 05/02/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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All band members have expressed negative views on the album.  Above all, as I see it, a band that has never released material with mixed results has likely not experimented all that much, and I'd much rather listen to a band that takes a chance than plays it safely.




I agree wholeheartedly with you. Few bands can just keep plugging away doing the same thing. There needs to be experimentation, growth, and sampling of various styles or it becomes just another Floyd song.

I don't know why but the orchestration and the alien choir really does it for me like once a year.

Side 2 really has some gems. Summer '68 is really interesting with the brass and the way the soundstage opens up. If is a lovely ballad.

But yea Echoes is great especially the Live at Pompeii version.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26647970 - 05/04/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Echoes the greatest song ever? I thought the title read 'is echoes the greatest pink floyd song ever?'

hold up, let me go listen.

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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Double]
    #26648043 - 05/04/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's a great song indeed. Greatest pink floyd song, i can't choose one. Time really resonates with me,


Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.


but The Great Gig In The Sky really, really moves me.

there are other songs i really like because they're fun to listen to like sheep and have a cigar.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Double]
    #26648066 - 05/04/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I adore atom heart mother, and really admire the album formats the band took to for atom heart mother - one side off the record devoted to one collaborative song then the other side one song written by each band member. "Fat Old Sun" is one I think Gilmour may preform best - it's really amazing live. Dark side was the first time the band stuck with one concept and overlaying theme for an album which then allowed for deeper analysis of the theme and how it appears in lyrics, arrangement, instrumental music, and recording and mixing techniques. Wish you Were Here is also one of my favorite albums for this reason; it is Floyd's second "concept album. Echoes feels like their first endeavor into a longer collaborative piece with a very specific and targeted theme that relates to every human, which is why I find it so special.
 
However to be honest I have  never really been into their catalogue after Wish You Were Here. I love the theme of the division bell, but like animals and even a lot of of the wall, it wasn't very sonically pleasant for me.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26648071 - 05/04/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

also I'm waiting for the day someone sings "The Great Gig in the Sky" on a show like American idol, if they did it justice the judges should be like "that's it, this season is over. No need for finals, we have a winner"

It'll probably never happen but I love to daydream about this stuff


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26648139 - 05/04/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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also I'm waiting for the day someone sings "The Great Gig in the Sky" on a show like American idol, if they did it justice the judges should be like "that's it, this season is over. No need for finals, we have a winner"

It'll probably never happen but I love to daydream about this stuff



haha that would be awesome!

Another song that i forgot to mention that i really love: Shine on You Crazy Diamond (part two)

EDIT:
Here is a thread I made 12 years ago :lol: In there, echoes is definitely the number one pink floyd choice by popular demand :cool:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7316914

all of my choices have changed except for Time. I was a noob back then


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Double]
    #26648287 - 05/04/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’m partial to any colour you like :stoned:


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26648918 - 05/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’m partial to any colour you like :stoned:




I didn't quite get that song until I listened to dark side on acid, then I found why it is an incredible tune. The song comes directly after "Us and Them" which addresses the difference in peoples attitudes, cultures, and personalities. "Any Colour You Like" goes on to confirm that the different life choices of different people can't be quickly judged for each color has it's own beauty - that "Any Colour You Like" is still the best color for you. The song brilliantly embraces this theme musically with a rich soundscape of lots of different synth and guitar tones.


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: trippyfish]
    #26649920 - 05/05/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:bigyesnod:


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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26652139 - 05/06/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes "Close to The Edge" is still the pinnacle of golden era prog rock IMHO.



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Re: Is Echoes the greatest song ever? thoughts on Floyd [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26652346 - 05/06/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm more of a King Crimson fan myself.


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