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Side pinning issue.
#26649773 - 05/05/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi guys, I recently decided to grow my own mushies and I mades some research and decided that I’d like to get a growbox. Before you go ahead and scold me for ordering a growbox, I need to say that I’m planning to get spore prints once the mushies are grown, and continue growing them with the PF Tek method. I just thought this would be an easy way for me to observe the process of growth and get into the hobby.
Now to the question: so first of all I need to clarify that the kit I am using is a “Fresh Mushroom Growkit” from Zamnesia (they are B+). It says that the kit is fully colonized (and indeed, when it came the substrate was fully populated by a white web-like mycelium). The instructions of this kit explicitly say not to mist or soak for the first flush. This was really confusing and made no sense to me, but three days after I set them up, I saw some condensate inside the plastic bag and on the next day - the first pins. The second day since the first pins I noticed that there is a lot of side pinning. And when I say a lot, I mean it. I think I counted about 20+ pins on one of the sides. So as far as I can tell this wont be good for the yield and it might result in rotting if they are left for too long.
What I’m thinking, and please let me know if my reasoning is wrong, is to try to get the cake out of the plastic box and try to suspend it (just the cake with no box) in the same plastic bag but on something to keep it elevated. Kind of like the pf tek fruiting chambers.
Also if you think this would work I have two more questions: -Whatever I’m putting the cake on (im thinking caps from mason jars) should I steam it to disinfect or can I wash thoroughly with soap? -Since the kit says “don’t mist or soak” should I start misting once I remove them from the box?
I don’t understand mushies well enough but it seems that there is some moisture being created from the inside of this fresh mushroom kit. The box helps with the retention of this moisture (judging by the fact that all four walls of the box are wet. So in other words, once there is no box should I start misting?
Go easy on me, I started getting into this about two weeks ago. Can’t wait to show you guys some yields, hopefully good ones.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata] 1
#26649790 - 05/05/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Leave it in it's box. There is nothing wrong with side pins, they will grow up and out of the box.
I imagine it comes with a bag to fruit it in yes? Mist as needed, when the surface looks dry.
You could put the box in an SGFC fruiting chamber if you wanted , clear plastic tote, 1/4" holes on all *six* sides, in a 2x2" grid pattern. 5" dampend perlite on the bottom. Raise the bottom corners up on bricks or soup cans, whatever. Mist 3x a day as needed.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: mushpunx]
#26649828 - 05/05/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as I've heard, Zamnesia kits are quite solid for kits.
Side pinning is only an issue because it makes harvesting a bit more tedious, nothing to be really concerned about if you aren't pushing big amounts.
The moisture is coming from the myc and it's basically a goal for all of us to prep sub in a way where it doesn't need any misting or watering before the first flush. There's no special features hidden in that box. If you remove it, you'll be losing a bit more water tho and you might need to mist.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: mushpunx]
#26649847 - 05/05/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the quick reply guys. I think this is actually a great opportunity for me to get some of the equipment for the pf tek. SGFC chamber sounds like a logical place to start, as mushpunx suggested. Until then I’m thinking of starting misting regardless of the instructions. Based on what I’ve read so far it seems that side pinning might be due to lack of better conditions elsewhere. The microclimate on the sides might be better than that on the surface, which would make sense given that I was instructed not to mist. Should I spray directly ON the surface of the substrate or the sides of the fruiting bag?
@poisoned yeah, so far the kit is a great experience. It’ super beginner friendly and is super low maintenance. It feels like a demo of the real growing experience- just showing me what to expect. Are you suggesting I should let the moisture generated from the mycelium do its thing and not mist?
Btw, the conditions in the room where they are located are perfect. I don’t think it drops bellow 19 C. They are positioned near a window in a place that doesn’t get any direct sunlight.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata]
#26649951 - 05/05/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You spray on the surface directly dude.
You can use window light but I like to use florescents. A 5000k compact floro or one of the long shop lights.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: mushpunx] 2
#26649959 - 05/05/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Meh, indirect sunlight is the most perfect light for shrooms.
Can you show us some pics @gecata? It's hard to read surface conditions, but if it's too wet in there, you're going to end up with a bunch of small shrooms. As said, side pins are only really an issue when harvesting. They won't impair your yields or quality.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: poisoned]
#26650178 - 05/05/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m new to this forum so im not sure if this is how you upload photos but here, I tried to capture them as good as I can.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata]
#26650231 - 05/05/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, give the top surface a small mist
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: poisoned]
#26656893 - 05/08/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have another question. I’m not exactly sure when to harvest them. I know I need to do it before the spores are released but as you can tell from the photos all the shroomies are on different stages of development. There are some that are just starting out, while theres some that are more or less ready. Should I wait for ALL of them to catch up? Is there a chance that the big ones release their spores before the little ones grow up? There’s also a shit ton of side pins (as stated before and as you can tell from the photos) Does this change anything in terms of when to harvest?
Thank you for being patient with my noob ass!
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata]
#26656907 - 05/08/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those are super wet judging by the stems.
But it’s normal for them to mature at different speeds. It’s fine to pick them as they’re ready or if it’s part of a cluster to just cut the cap off so it doesn’t drop spores.
Sidepins will grow at a normal rate they’ll just be squished. I usually go by cap color to tell when they’re ready. They get much lighter.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: mushpunx]
#26656916 - 05/08/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushpunx said: You spray on the surface directly dude.
Spray above the substrate so the mist falls onto it. Use a fine mist. I've found in my early days that too much direct misting can cause the surface to mat up and that kinda ruins surface pinning.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: A.k.a]
#26657053 - 05/08/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is probably a super dumb question but do you tell they are super wet by the white on the bottom of the stem or is that a normal thing. I’m misting once per day since two days ago (before that I wasn’t misting at all because of the instructions the kit came with).
Also let me see if I understood you correctly: I should pick them as they are ready meaning I can pick the ones that are fully grown and let the rest develop more, right? If thats the case, do I take the cake out of the plastic box (hands sanitised till the elbows + gloves) and pick the side-pins, and then leave it back in there to let the rest develop?
On the note about the color change: the biggest one you see was much darker in the morning, now its pretty light. I feel like the picture doesnt do it justice. Does it mean its ready or should I give it some more time.
@Kimble, so I shouldn’t mist the surface but rather the air above it and let it fall?
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata]
#26657084 - 05/08/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can pick them whenever but I like to pick them right befor the veil starts to rip. Others wait until the veil rips and the cap flattens out a bit but before spores go everywhere.
You don’t need to be sterile in anyway when it comes to picking. Though don’t do anything gross cuz that’s just gross ; ) You’re sterile when you do agar work or when you inoculate your grains or PF tek jars, once they are colonized they will fend for themselves.
Misting is a feel thing, you want little beads of moisture on the surface, They should occasionally lessen or dry out some if you have proper fresh air and that’s when you mist, don’t overthink the misting part just think about how you’d like to be watered lol. A nice fine rain.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: gecata]
#26657090 - 05/08/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don’t worry about sanitizing your arms and stuff, once the block is colonized it’s safe.
The wet look is the stems. They have the dark lines all over and just have a different darker look to them.
The caps get lighter when they’re mature, you’ll get an eye for it eventually.
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Re: Side pinning issue. [Re: A.k.a]
#26657419 - 05/08/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply guys. That was really helpful!
One last question (hopefully xaxa). As I said in the beginning of the thread, I’m planning to continue growing them using the pf tek. I’m thinking of getting spore prints from each of the flushes from this kit. My question is: is there any difference as to when to pick them when planning to take prints vs. when I’m not taking any prints? I’m asking because I heard that they lose some potency when spores are released (correct me if I’m wrong)
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