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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26649179 - 05/04/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How much experience do you really have with cake Bod? I mean you seem like a mono guy right?


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26649197 - 05/04/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How much experience do you really have with cake Bod? I mean you seem like a mono guy right?



Give it up man, let these finish fruiting until the fruits are pathetic and move on. Cakes are whack no matter how you spin in. At very least grate them into a shoebox otherwise stop the shenanigans


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx] * 1
    #26649253 - 05/04/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.

Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26649297 - 05/04/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.

Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.



Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
    #26649542 - 05/05/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I suggest cakes to shoebox because it takes up less space and because it's cheaper and less work than the alternatives.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26649739 - 05/05/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the answers everyone. Some of you have asked me when the last flushes where. The answer is actually laid out very easy in the three pics I posted, and shows exact dates and times when all the cakes were finished that flush, and put back into the SGFC after being dunked.

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There isn't a set answer because most cakes give up the ghost before to Long and contamination sets in when they run out of the ability to fight it off.

You should be getting pins that abort while the cakes are still flushing. So if they just stopped growing mushrooms I would bet that they are just in between a flush. BRF is highly nutrious and if it is consuming the media.... Just give it time. Your probably gonna have another big ass flush soon.




I really hope so! Because right now I am getting little micro pins here and there and such, very sparse. I did get at least one flush from all 24 cakes, so that's good. 8 of the 24 cakes yielded nice second flushes, too. The one thing that gives me hope is that all my 11 Golden Teacher cakes took a much, much loner time to have their first flush than the Costa Rico cakes, and they may just be taking a really long time for their second flush. None of my GT cakes have had a second flush as of yet, by the way, only 8/11 of my Costa Rico cakes.


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If you start to see knotting and then aborts or only a few shrooms then they are probably done.




No knotting, but I am getting some micro pins. I'm wondering if I should just start pulling off little pins that aren't really going anywhere if they are "in the way" of real mushrooms coming out.

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I have gotten 5 flushes from cakes, happens all the time, but by the 5th one it ends up being sad and I need space. Most people rotate them out because they need room or contamination sets in.




Well, I don't need the room, as I only have 5 inoculated cakes that are going into an HC probably in the next week to 10 days, and there is already room for them in my closet. Other than some discoloration, I don't really see signs of contamination, then again, other than obvious green mold, I have no idea what contamination looks like in an SGFC on the cakes.

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When was the last flush?
How many flushes have they put out?
How heavy are they?
Do they all look healthy?




I don't know what healthy looks like, to be honest. They mostly feel "weighty" to me. All cakes did at least one flush. None of my GT cakes have had a second flush, and 8 of my 11 CR cakes have had second flushes. You can see the dates of everything in my "floor plans" on the previous page. Its all very clearly laid out when the flushes were finished, and the cakes went back into the SGFC.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
    #26649745 - 05/05/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.

Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.



Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes



Sounds like you sucked at cakes sorry man.

Easy to get 7+ first flush


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26649844 - 05/05/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds to me like your not done. Just in between flushes.

Give it time.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26649901 - 05/05/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sounds to me like your not done. Just in between flushes.

Give it time.




You know when you ask a question and you don't want to admit that what you really want is for someone to tell you what you want to hear? We've all done it, and, while I am trying to be intellectually honest, and open to all answers, whether I like them or not, you definitely just told me what I wanted to hear. I was already leaning heavily toward waiting anyway. However, the intelligent and objective part of me knows that its not just as simple as letting your cakes rot in the closet if that's what they want to do, Because if it were just about patience and having nothing to lose by waiting, even if its a slim chance, then who cares, right? Might as well wait, because I don't need the space and so I have nothing to lose.

But as some pointed out, and I knew this going in, my opinion is that the longer it takes between flushes, and the longer cakes stay in a warm, moist environment without fruiting, the more of a chance competing organisms will fill the power vacuum, so to speak. And if I let contaminants get a foothold in my tubs, and by extension, my big closet, I could be seriously compromising future grows at some point.

tl;dr - So, given that some of my cakes haven't flushed for between 2 weeks and about 20 days, I could be wrong, but I say another 2 weeks shouldn't hurt anything, right? I mean, I'm sure if I go a full month without viable flushes, then at that point it would be hard to make the argument that they are still viable? But with only between 14 and 20 days, while it may not be a great sign, there is still at least some hope?


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Sounds like you sucked at cakes sorry man.

Easy to get 7+ first flush




Sounds like you're describing me, too. And accurately, I might add. :laugh:

I got one full flush from all 24 cakes. And very nice ones, if I do say. I got sweet second flushes from 8 of my cakes. All of the second flushes were from my Costa Rico cakes, so I have yet to see a viable second flush from any of my Golden Teacher cakes, and second flushes on 5 of my 13 CR cakes are thus far MIA. So as I said to Sockadin above, I'm still hopeful. But clearly, I suck at cakes, to use your words. Well, I'm learning, and I am incredibly grateful for what I already got from the generous mycelium gods.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26649980 - 05/05/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think bod was saying that to you, but to brindle foxx.

LSA, can you show us your cakes?


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
    #26650035 - 05/05/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think bod was saying that to you, but to brindle foxx.

LSA, can you show us your cakes?




No, I know he wasn't talking to me at all. I was just saying it sounds like he was also describing me, since it sure seems like I, too, suck at cakes, to use his words. I will try to take pics in a little while if I get home soon enough, but I may not get home until late afternoon.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26650453 - 05/05/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I didn't think that was aimed at you either.

You have never done this before and had amazing results with the first try. Did you even have 1 cake contaminated while in the jar?

Either way 2 weeks is a pretty long time. I would start adjusting the humidity to get that evaporation trigger.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26650500 - 05/05/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Either way 2 weeks is a pretty long time. I would start adjusting the humidity to get that evaporation trigger.




How do I do this? I get the feeling you might’ve said it before, but I’m not sure how I would adjust the humidity. Unless you’re talking specifically about fanning more, or less or misting more or less.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26650579 - 05/05/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.

Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.



Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes



Sounds like you sucked at cakes sorry man.

Easy to get 7+ first flush




I just used it as a stepping stone. Learned my fundamentals from RR and then I just studied a lot of your teks instead and went bigger. Thank you for all you do btw.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26650733 - 05/05/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fan more mist less. Don't spray your perilite. Circulating air a couple times a day. Anything to remove surface moisture with out drying out the cakes.

I just had a shoebox go a month with no fruits, do I uncovered the top and let it sit for about 5 hrs a day for a couple of days. Gave it a lite mist and Bam it is finally pinning.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26651055 - 05/05/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Fan more mist less. Don't spray your perilite. Circulating air a couple times a day. Anything to remove surface moisture with out drying out the cakes.

I just had a shoebox go a month with no fruits, do I uncovered the top and let it sit for about 5 hrs a day for a couple of days. Gave it a lite mist and Bam it is finally pinning.




Wow a month is a long time. Okay, so time to follow your lead. I just fanned now, and didn't mist since about 3 hours ago. I am going to leave the covers off of both my SGFC's for two hours today. Unless you think I should leave the covers off longer? Should I go coverless for 5 hours like you did with your formerly lagging shoebox? I will then wait until tonight to mist, and put the cover back on.

I'll try leaving the cover off every day for 2-5 hours, as a last ditch effort, and see what happens. Maybe my cakes need to evaporate all that surface moisture, as you're saying. Worth a try, right?

Thanks again, brother!


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26651141 - 05/05/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Worth a try.

Honestly I can't really say how long or what technique because it is all about ambient RH in your house or grow room.
There isn't a right way to grow, you gotta feel it.

Again I'm in an old house in the deep South with normally 70% humidity so my tubs or cakes may take longer to wick that yours.

I would say we on the side of caution and leave the lids on cause it's a SGFC and maybe just put a fan in an adjacent room to circulate air.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26651149 - 05/05/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The chambers are in a closet, and there’s no way a fan would reach them from another room. But I’ll put the cover back on, as you suggest. Maybe I’ll wait an hour or two just to see what happens, let the cakes dry out a little bit, and then I’ll try misting them when I put the cover back on. Maybe just leaving the covers off for a little while longer will air everything out a little bit. At this point, I’m just flying blind. So I guess we’ll see what happens.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26651556 - 05/05/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

MAN you have been flying blind from the start. RR videos can be a crutch, welcome to cultivation. And this is the internet so many people will tell you. "Do this,Do that"

Trust your gut,  like Bod said "Your eyes are the best tool." Or something like that. But I agree you are the only one who can make decisions and adjustments at this point. We are only here to tell you what has worked for us in the past.

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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26651804 - 05/05/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cakes last about 3-4 flushes typically. When they look shrivled AFTER dunking them, then its time to say goodbye to them.


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