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Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom.
    #26628968 - 04/26/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Id like a thread where we can just discuss the Philosophical and historical aspects of what I consider personally to be the true ancient wisdoms and mysteries.
I believe in one form or another the knowledge found in those listed above has lasted and been around for thousands and thousands of years
I believe it did come from Atlantis , ( at least to our modern world )
And I believe it is where all ( or most ) mainstream religion had originated from and strayed far from over time.

I’m not exactly sure what to make this thread about as far as singular topic goes
But honestly I don’t have anyone in my personal life studying this same stuff and so I have no one to really share my ideas with OR absorb the ideas they themselves are coming to.
But it’s such a deep .. cryptic and mysterious thing..

I guess specifically I want to know what literatures I haven’t found yet
I want to learn to decipher certain things and learn the symbols

I’m skeptical of any modern literary works on the matter
The latest source I’ve accepted has been The Stobaeus Exerts which I’m currently reading

How do you guys feels about it all ?
What are your beliefs and ideas ect .


Sorry for the choppy nature of the thread
Again I’m not sure what to specifically start it about or even how to start it but once the ball gets rolling I’m sure it’ll be fine


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: Tripsten]
    #26629031 - 04/26/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Try looking into Merlins Magic.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: Connection]
    #26632253 - 04/27/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a pretty massive list of literature covering a lot of different things. Might could help you out. 
https://mega.nz/folder/gwNBRAzS#mkAUO0OBTbZ8gXVQkRXsqQ

How do you feel about these ancient wisdoms and mysteries?


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: The89thchamber]
    #26632254 - 04/27/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The Holy Grail


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26647359 - 05/04/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The funny thing about occultism is the tendency to get hung up on being an “occultist” and the whole shtick involved. I know people who talk about magick maybe 80% of the time, maybe spend 20% actually dabbling.

There are practitioners out there. The stuff is powerful. But ceremonial magic is generally beyond the ability and discipline most people possess, and that’s out of the small minority of people who actually believe it works and who aren’t “nominal witches” and occult aesthetes and fetishists. 

Ultimately comes down to you and your relationship with yourself, and your interactions with everyone else being a reflection of that.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: CountHTML]
    #26647397 - 05/04/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I know there's Hermes Trigmestus and his works.

Try reading Jung. He was all about symbols and the collective unconscious.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: Tripsten]
    #26649234 - 05/04/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Atlantis was a myth and a metaphor for a state that had gone bad in every way in Plato's time (c. 429–c. 347 BCE). You can 'believe' anything you want but at what point does a unique 'belief' in an unsubstantiated phenomena become a delusion? The Nazi high command 'believed' in the mythical lands of Atlantis, Hyperborea, and Thule, a country described by the ancient Greek explorer Pytheas (c. 310 BCE) as being "six days' sail north of Britain, most plausibly identified with Norway. It was regarded by the ancients as the northernmost part of the world." It was bsed on these myths that the Nazis built their racial theories and demonic Final Solution of genocide to purify the world of 'inferior' and sub-human species (e.g., Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, etc.).

The Theosophical Society under Madame Blavatsky and later under Annie Besant also entertained racist ideologies in their organization which promulgated Eastern yogic ideas as well as Western Mystery Traditions. In fact The Theosophical Society had a swastika as part of its logo well before the Nazis appropriated it. ANY group which fails to recognize and promulgate a universal brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity is sinister from the start. Now certain world religions claim to recognize this universality, Islam as the most notable. Catholic means universal. Buddhism rejected the caste system of the Hindus. Islam and Roman Catholicism of course make this universality contingent upon joining their respective cultus of 'belief.' Judaism is admittedly exclusivist while Christianity in general intends universality, although again only for those considered to be "in Christ."

It is worth noting these religions because the Western occult traditions all draw heavily on Judao-Christian tenets while focusing on the esoteric contemplative aspects of these religions more than the exoteric, social aspects. The esoteric aspects often derive from Egyptian, Gnostic, Jewish or Greek originated schools that are typically glossed over in exoteric writings. For example, in 2 Corinthians 12:2 Paul talks about "a man in Christ" who was "caught up to the third heaven" but the text does not clarify that (1) he is talking about himself, or (2) which esoteric school does the first, second, or "third heaven" belong to.

Such esoterica are usually glossed over by ministers and priests because these deeper or higher aspects of religion are not for the multitudes they preach to but for the more inner-directed among their religion's adherents. While this seems elitist, spiritual ascent IS hierarchical in the sense that way fewer individuals are prepared to forsake the profane worldliness that the average religious adherent embraces without question. This just means that the value of seeking truth transcends the bullshit that popular culture commands over young adults or which convention, obligation and tradition holds over the majority of mature adults. Esoteric matters are usually the interest of constitutionally introverted, inner-directed individuals who can weather more solitude than the average extravert cannot. I mean, classic introverted esotericists do not make occasional forays to Las Vegas for crazy drunken weekends. :lol:

For a very good synopsis of many wisdom traditions I would suggest the 578 or so page long The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall.  https://smile.amazon.com/Secret-Teachings-All-Ages-ebook/dp/B00TFK4HDW/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=manly+p.+hall&qid=1588645336&sr=8-1


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26649448 - 05/05/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you want racism Markos, watch soap operas.

Soap = traditionally white

Opera = "phantom" of the opera

Someone out there, and they have a lot of money, maybe all the money, want a horror genocide for Germanics!

As a Germanic (Anglo-Saxon, Scottish) guy, those soap operas promote serious mental health problems.

Red tops = fertility symbols, film noir = mental death. etc.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #26649468 - 05/05/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I do not WANT racism. What kind of statement is that anyway? Obviously, from the number of your posts, you are new here, you do not know me or else you would never suggest that I WANT anything to do with racism. I don't watch soap operas. Clearly you are reading things into the expression soap opera that was never intended. These daytime TV productions were on radio long before anyone coined the expression soap or soap opera and it has nothing to do with racism. The original 1930 radio drama were sponsored by soap companies.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26652404 - 05/06/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t believe it was truly called Atlantis
But I do believe it was a real place
And theres plenty coming out that is becoming proof of this , the least of which being the perfect time syncing with platos time line of Atlantis and our known timeline of natural disasters placing Atlantis in perfect timing to be destroyed by the “Younger Dryas”, which funny enough was a natural disaster that destroyed large portions of land with intense almost jet stream like flood that literally cut through the land ( also links up perfectly with the Gobekli Teppe timeline )

Not to mention it’s believed that survivors of the catastrophe went to many different places bringing with them greater knowledge and better models of society
Which links up perfectly with the different cultures around the world taking on the pyramid and even assigning it similar if not completely the same roles in their spiritual lives and we learn more new about them all the time
And how these civilizations have the cravings of the same dressed person bringing them this knowledge ( I can find the pictures of you like I realize that a vague description )
It’s easy to just deny opposing evidence and call something a delusion to devalue it as an idea , but it’s harder to look for the truth

Mainstream history is changing more now in the modern time than ever before
We are finding once accepted “facts” are completely false
Like the Clovis culture being the oldest in America just as one quick example off the top of my head
In fact we were wrong about how old humanity in America was by literally 10x over
We thought it was Clovis 13,000 years ago but new findings show people in America 130,000 years ago
Mainstream history is on its way out 🤷🏻‍♂️


Edit * - Also , Blavatsky and Dorreal are well known hacks and only those alike follow their ridiculous ideas , and that can be said because they have no proof at all for their claims other than , “I swear bro it’s real.”
Which I know you know that I’m js
They are a really specific subgroup of ideologies with in the community of those who believe in Atlantis
A lot of it is crazy groups like that
As you’ll find with literally anything even science and religion
But there’s the real truths in it as well


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: Tripsten]
    #26658849 - 05/09/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As I said, you're free to 'believe' whatever you want. New discoveries are made all the time, science gets revamped by radical paradigm shifts a la Thomas Kuhn. Atlantis along with Hyperborea, Mu, Thule and other mythical cultures have been the basis for very real atrocities vis à vis Nazi Germany. Chronic conflict in Palestine-Israel is based on their respective religious myths and feelings of God-given entitlement. By 1959 the movie Journey to the Center of the Earth that my Nana took me to illustrated the ruins which had sunk to the fictional center of the planet. Then I enjoyed the movie Atlantis: The Lost Continent when it came out in 1961 and I was in the 2nd grade. By 3rd grade we were playing outside pretending we were in Atlantis after the film. Then, in 1969 many of us enjoyed Donovan's song (I still like him, saw him live a couple years ago). So, I was raised with the notion, but there has yet to arise any definitive archeological proof of this kingdom which some want to make an entire continent. I think this would be a HUGE discovery not something relegated to the 'beliefs' of wishful thinkers.



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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26677012 - 05/17/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry didn't mean to call you racist, or really talk about racism, mostly I was just shocked at how soap operas are just programming and not even a show HAHA


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    #26681915 - 05/19/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think you should seek The Secret Doctrine..

And anything on sacred texts.. or crystal links


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    #26682432 - 05/20/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry didn't mean to call you racist, or really talk about racism, mostly I was just shocked at how soap operas are just programming and not even a show HAHA




You don't know me so calling me a racist would not be based in reality anyway and I wouldn't have any emotional reaction to being name-called. I did not take it that you were calling me a racist. Besides, I know myself, and being born a Jew (now a Jewish Christian Entheogenic Gnostic) married to a Black woman for some 24 years would fairly exempt me from being a racist by most actual racists themselves. There is no group of people I hate. I do have the capacity for hate however. I wouldn't want to come across as too righteous. For example, every night I hope and pray that Trump dies in his sleep. I don't wish him a horrible death, just a quick one because, well, I must hate him. :shrug: I hate haters. I just can't find myself loving them even with Christian agapé, philosophical ataraxia, theological apatheia, or the Buddhist Wisdom of Equanimity. I just want him dead. But, it's not because he's of German ancestry, it's because he's something of a Nazi in his arrogance and psychopathy. I don't hate Germans, my wife's step-mum is German and she's lovely, and my BFF is half-German. Yeah, racism is hateful but all hate is not racist.


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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26683679 - 05/20/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ah man don't worry about Trump, he's playing the crowd, and making sure America survives

It's a group effort.... if you know what I mean.......

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    #26684445 - 05/20/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The only thing I have against Trump .. is he speaks his mind..? Tells what he perceives as the truth..?

Am I wrong?


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    #26686632 - 05/21/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ah man don't worry about Trump, he's playing the crowd, and making sure America survives

It's a group effort.... if you know what I mean.......

*ahem*




Trump is doing the opposite. He is systematically undoing America, violating the Rule of Law, trying to usurp the Department of Justice, acting or attempting to act in unconstitutional ways. He tries to be a dictator like the tyrants he admires. His narcissism is so profound that he cares NOTHING about America or Americans. Every single issue gets twisted back to him, as if it was ALL about him. In over 30 years of clinical work I have never encountered a Narcissistic Personality Disordered person anywhere near his magnitude. He is like the bad child in school who doesn't care if he receives attention for being an asshole as long as he gets attention. Trump will be reviled in history IF history survives him.

Trump also meets every criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (he is a Sociopath in other words). Together, these comorbid disorders form two possible hybrid disorders: Narcissistic Sociopath and Malignant Narcissist. Most clinicians tend to see the latter because he takes a particularly sadistic pleasure in hurting those perceived to be his enemies (like accurate journalists with integrity). https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beastly-behavior/201812/the-evolutionary-role-narcissistic-sociopaths?fbclid=IwAR2aaVEOhwiYbfPWLBQSYV9I4lVILRX__zP50g-ztzrhZ5n-n1f7MW2RB2U ;

No, Trump in not "making sure America survives." He has set the clock back on ecology 50 years! He wants to drill and mine in National Parks or sell off the land. He's relaxed if not destroyed EPA regulations like the Clean Air and Water Act. He's bringing asbestos into the US from Russia. One company is using Trump's image on their product!  https://www.asbestos.com/news/2018/07/11/russia-asbestos-trump/ "[D]on't worry about Trump,?" he is an existential threat to the planet. He is clearly a madman and he possesses the nuclear codes to the US arsenal. He and his ilk could survive in the Cheyenne Mountain facility ('War Games') while the world burns, a Nuclear Nero!



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Re: Hermeticism and Esoteric / Occult Wisdom. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26689803 - 05/23/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

fantastic Mark, good points, yes down with trump, it's easy

you just don't vote for him how can it be so difficult

if you think trump is good and you hear he is a threat to the earth why not then just think oh maybe I'm wrong

how many chances do we get?

20 cycles of prcidenthood?

and how many right wing can we endure, like how many have to be left wing for safe?

8?

12?

I guess 14

so advice to righties is be honest and wake up

theres a fire in the kitchen with smoke

i you want proof I think of the put it out scene in lord of the rings, that's a scene about the significance of what we do

for me when I see it it's like it's good like destruction would make me get it worse or like that it's good relatively

I ususally think of time as a good thing, but there's something so real and true and powerful and awakening about that scene

could it be redgreenvines' thoughts about the situation till next ice age? a factor

maybe the righties a full of themselves, maybe they are so unawake and bulky or big in mentality not fine or finetuned smart enough reational enough intelligent enough to see through those especially yucky illusions that make them see earth as a toy they can exhaust till a desert cause it seems like it is still full of water? and treasure? is it a mirage?


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    #26689822 - 05/23/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Taken all together -  The Lord of The Rings, The Hobbit, and the Silmarillion are a deeply epic allegory of our World.
Always relevant, timeless. :thumbup:


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    #26690761 - 05/23/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The Right is religiously informed, unconsciously informed in the case of those who do not consciously identify with the Christian Right. But what they are being informed by is a built-in "ultimate concern," namely, that it is OK to die. 'It's all in God's hands.' At some level we all realize that it must be OK to die because every living thing dies, but in the case of the crazy Right that Ultimate Understanding about oneself gets generalized to everything! So who cares if humans drive elephants, tigers, pangolins, rhinos, etc. to extinction BECAUSE everything has to die? Who cares if I am an agent of their extinction?

This is why Trump is so dangerous. His unsurpassed narcissism informs him that nothing and nobody matters besides himself. So who cares if I am the agent that relaxes laws on trophy animals, and who cares if I am responsible for poisoning the earth and its inhabitants with the Environmental Protection Agency hobbled? Who cares about the Earth and any of its inhabitants after I'm gone? There are those in the fundamentalist Christian Right manipulating Trump who actually WANT biblical Armageddon to occur. Revelations 6:13 says "the stars will fall from the sky..." and the Greek word for star is aster as in *asterisk* but the ancients called Everything in the heavens stars (the planets were movable stars, the constellated stars were fixed). We know that stars cannot fall from the sky BUT we also know that asteroids have struck our atmosphere ending the age of dinosaurs and most of life on the planet!

An asteroid strike IS a very possible cause of the biblical Armageddon but there are those who prefer to interpret the stars falling from the sky as flaming exhaust trails from nuclear ICBMs coming in from Russia! These Christian Right warmonger types may want to initiate this because in their societally approved form of religious delusion THEY will be 'raptured.' The rapture by name is not even a biblical thing, it is derivative of other biblical passages that were informed by Jewish eschatological hopes and 'beliefs.' 'Beliefs' are ideas, and religious 'beliefs' are based on the supposed authority of scriptures. Scriptures can be interpreted on at least four levels but most 'believers' are neither religious scholars nor do they 'believe' that they require religious instruction because THEY  have a special relationship with God. Their faith is in unsubstantiated 'belief' rather than in reason, as epitomized by the scientific method PROVES in their minds that they have a special relationship with God and that no harm will befall them. These fools have sacrificed intellect (sacrificium intellectus) but not at the altar of The Transcendental. They have sacrificed at the idol of the irrational, to stupidity, not to the non-rational supra-intellectual Transcendental. They have failed to reconcile faith with reason. This is what characterized the Dark Ages after the fall of the Roman Empire.

We see this idiocy most poignantly in the case of pastors who contracted and died from COVID-19 themselves. We see this providentialism among the adherents of mega-churches that promulgate abundance theology, i.e., 'God wants ME to be rich.' We are living in a new iteration of the Dark Ages, humorous called Idiocracy by the title of a comedy film which became a meme for present-day culture, not just in the USA either. Many anti-vaxxers are informed by religious notions consciously or unconsciously and just as the primitive but sometimes useful medical knowledge of ancient Greece and Rome was forgotten during the Dark Ages we seem to be witnessing something similar today that is having an effect on reason which in turn informs people's medical, political, and social values. They conflate simple hygiene with an attack on their political freedom. Sure fucktards, carry loaed high-capacity assault rifles in public but don't wear a mask to protect yourself against an ACTUAL although invisible threatening invader. SMH.  :noway:  :cuckoo:  :nonono:









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