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At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? 1
#26648456 - 05/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay, so I apologize about yet another thread about my n00b grow, but I will keep this one mercifully short, lol. I am going to re-post pics of my "floor plans" below showing my flushes. If you look at the pics, you'll see that for some of my cakes, I have not seen fruits for between 14 and 19 days! Others have fruited in the past week'ish.
Fun facts: Every one of my 24 cakes had very generous first flushes. So I am incredibly grateful to RogerRabbit, for his videos, and many people in this forum, not to mention, of course, the Mycelium Gods. I did get 2nd flushes on 8 of my 13 Costa Rico cakes, but no 2nd flush yet on ANY of my Golden Teacher cakes. Note that ALL my GT cakes took a much longer time to first flush than any of my CR cakes.
So is it time to toss at least some of these cakes, be happy and grateful for what I have, and live to fight another day? Or should I wait and see what happens? Note: I'm not referring to the cakes that fruited a week ago


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26648588 - 05/04/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's kind of all up to you
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26648618 - 05/04/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: That's kind of all up to you
OK, I guess I need to rephrase the question. I have no idea whether or not it’s time to bail on these cakes, because I don’t have the knowledge. I did a Google search on this but there’s really no information on when to bail on your stalled or resting cakes. Particularly since a lot of them haven’t even had second flushes yet. Is there some common number? Is there a point where you just say, screw it? What’s the consensus on what would be the best way to proceed?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648633 - 05/04/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You dispose of them when they either contaminate, you run out of space, when they haven't produced in a long time or when you get tired of them
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned] 1
#26648644 - 05/04/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you need the space due to a new grow, then you can crumble the cakes up and throw in a grocery bag and leave them outside and you may get fruits! Compost them if your environmentally conscious.
When the cakes stop producing fruits, you can toss them. But if you keep misting them, they will keep giving you fruits
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
#26648650 - 05/04/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: You dispose of them when they either contaminate, you run out of space, when they haven't produced in a long time or when you get tired of them
Pretty much
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: woofwoof]
#26648662 - 05/04/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get all of this, my question is whether or not there’s some sort of a guideline as to whether or not cakes or “done“ or they are just in a stall or resting state. I’m not sure if I’m expressing this point in all my questions in this thread poorly? I don’t understand the answers that you guys are giving me, I really don’t. You’re basically telling me throw them out if I think that’s the right call; keep them if I want to, or something in between. But I’m asking for a little guidance on what the criteria is to make this particular decision. Stated another way, if you were in my shoes, how would you make this decision? And to be clear, in case anybody thinks I’m asking you guys to make a decision for me, I’m not. I just don’t know what criteria I should be using to make this particular determination. I hope this is a little clearer than I guess I was above.
edit: I definitely get the contamination, as well as the stop fruiting part as a criteria. And if I see contamination, obviously they’re done. But I don’t know what “stopped fruiting” even means, or rather when a person knows that they’ve stopped fruiting altogether versus resting or stalled.
Edit2: Oh and I’m not gonna be doing another grow until September, so I’m not looking to make space, and I’m not like bumping into them every day, they’re not in my way, even if they sat there in my closet for another two months LOL
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648674 - 05/04/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Then keep them in a closet for another 2 months 
While I haven't done PF tek in a long time, I usually throw whatever I have out when I feel it's not worth it anymore. When I was doing cakes, I'd usually get maybe 1 or 2 mushrooms on a 3rd-4th flush and decided to ditch it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
#26648708 - 05/04/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Then keep them in a closet for another 2 months
Fair enough. Obviously I’m not going to keep them in the closet for two months if they’re not fruiting before the. Not because of any other reason than something is probably going to grow in there long before two months from now…but I would bet a lot of money it wouldn’t be mushrooms at some point, but all kinds of contaminants. I’m really not sure what you guys are telling me here. And I have a pretty good sense of reading comprehension. Is there some unspoken rule around here, that I’m not aware of, under the heading of “give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day…” that is causing you all to answer this question coyly?
Unless I’m really just stating my point poorly, even though I think I’ve been very clear, if you guys don’t want to answer the question without being a little evasive, then just say so. Because right now I’m scratching my head wondering if I’m misunderstanding all of you, you are all misunderstanding me, or if you guys are just using intentionally nebulous answers to try to teach me some tough love lesson that I’m just not grasping.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648755 - 05/04/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What’s a ‘long time’ for no fruiting?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648795 - 05/04/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you're just confused because there is no set answer. There's nothing that's says you need to toss them after 21 days of no fruits. You can keep them and keep trying to get 2nd/3rd flushes or you can toss them.
I've only done cakes once but personally if I've gotten a flush off them dunked them and then they sat for 2 weeks not doing anything I'd toss them. Some people would keep them around because they may potentially produce some more fruits so it really just comes down to your situation. If there's no contam and you have the extra space it shouldn't hurt anything to keep trying.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: WyoMX]
#26648813 - 05/04/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: I think you're just confused because there is no set answer. There's nothing that's says you need to toss them after 21 days of no fruits. You can keep them and keep trying to get 2nd/3rd flushes or you can toss them.
I've only done cakes once but personally if I've gotten a flush off them dunked them and then they sat for 2 weeks not doing anything I'd toss them. Some people would keep them around because they may potentially produce some more fruits so it really just comes down to your situation. If there's no contam and you have the extra space it shouldn't hurt anything to keep trying.
Well good to know. I guess long term it’s more or less a contam I’ve fruiting issue... luckily I’ve yet to have a contam. I use restaurant sterilizer.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88]
#26648829 - 05/04/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There isn't a set answer because most cakes give up the ghost before to Long and contamination sets in when they run out of the ability to fight it off.
You should be getting pins that abort while the cakes are still flushing. So if they just stopped growing mushrooms I would bet that they are just in between a flush. BRF is highly nutrious and if it is consuming the media.... Just give it time. Your probably gonna have another big ass flush soon.
If you start to see knotting and then aborts or only a few shrooms then they are probably done.
I have gotten 5 flushes from cakes, happens all the time, but by the 5th one it ends up being sad and I need space. Most people rotate them out because they need room or contamination sets in.
When was the last flush? How many flushes have they put out? How heavy are they? Do they all look healthy?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: woofwoof]
#26648869 - 05/04/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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get some black kow compost manure at lowes , home depot or a similar place a, pour the manure in some flower pots, crumble the old brf cakes and mix into the manure and mix thoroughly, let sit outside and keep the moist like you are caring for a flower. The old cakes will colonize the flower pots and grow fruit, you can place the flower pots indoors inside a Martha or other humidity chamber as well.
be sure that you pasteurize the manure using the bucket tek or something before using it. but there's no need to throw out old cakes when you can use them.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Doc9151]
#26648893 - 05/04/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: get some black kow compost manure at lowes , home depot or a similar place a, pour the manure in some flower pots, crumble the old brf cakes and mix into the manure and mix thoroughly, let sit outside and keep the moist like you are caring for a flower. The old cakes will colonize the flower pots and grow fruit, you can place the flower pots indoors inside a Martha or other humidity chamber as well.
be sure that you pasteurize the manure using the bucket tek or something before using it. but there's no need to throw out old cakes when you can use them.
I was shocked to find two mushrooms growing outside this spring from rinsing out my grow tub. I love it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88]
#26648938 - 05/04/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
#26648974 - 05/04/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
I disagree, I've had some fat ass flushes from brf, it depends on the growing environment.
Brf is good for 1-2 people unless you're doing a bunch, since jars come in cases, i make up a case at a time leaving one empty as a control.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
#26648983 - 05/04/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649001 - 05/04/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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20 cakes in a monotub is like a 5-6 oz first flush
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649081 - 05/04/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.
I’d rather knocc up a 5lb bag of oats instead of worrying about some cakes
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