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Bad Recurring Shroom Trips
    #26648706 - 05/04/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, the first time I took shrooms I made a 2g tea, and had the typical positive experience, the second time too, and third time, going to 5g, them 7g respectively. The whole thing felt like a good dream, and the come down was nice, but things changed all of a sudden. Now things are great for the come up, and then for about 2 hours, and then the next 6 hours is miserable. My whole body gets stiff and achy, and all I an think about are ways I'm coming up short, so I usually end up spending that time cleaning the house. Nothing feels satisfying, the euphoria is gone, but I still have all the visuals. My first time on 2g, I had all the visuals plus a transparent silhouette of a honeycomb across my whole field of vision, and I could barely move...well if I could, it didn't occur to me. Now well, I could be as active as I want, and again, the good only lasts for like 1/3 of the trip. The worst part is,I don't get the introspective thought enhancement lately either. I've tried lemon tek, empty stomach, full, and all I've been able to figure out is that empty makes me feel much much worse emotionally, and a heavy dose of melatonin cuts the brutality by half. It's like as soon as I start to come down, everything goes to hell. I don't know why it's happening all of a sudden, and why I can't seem to do anything about it. I took a break even, didn't help, even with intensity. Seems like after 5 days my tolerance is normal, so several weeks doesn't do much for me. Any ideas how I can get the magic back? Or at the very least, not coming down in crisis mode? I've had severe depression, and traumatic stress related anxiety, this is different.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26648894 - 05/04/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I usually wait months before even considering dosing fungi again.  Got to live life and allow ones song to be sung, tripping a lot might be fun, but if there’s not much to trip about or no difference between doses, taking a large step back and doing something else in life for a good while can be good.  Magic often comes back after long forgetting it.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26649207 - 05/04/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

To get the "magic" back (which a lot of people equate to the best part of tripping, although I don't) you have to wait considerable time between trips. 5 days won't cut it for that, nor will a few weeks. 

It's not just physical tolerance it's some sort of psychological tolerance as well - having tripped recently you won't experience some of the high, because you burned out on that a bit.  You can wait or raise the dose significantly to compensate.  Either works about as well IME. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26649218 - 05/04/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

When you dose a lot, you slowly lose the magic.  One day you wake up realizing it is gone.  You just have to take months off.

And it sucks too, because you get anxiety and depression when you quit.  Not the typical anxiety and depression, but this weird, subtly gnawing-at-you manifestation.

The odd thing too was after I quit for a few months, I really wanted more and more time off—it turned to years without thinking.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26649413 - 05/04/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You’ve just described my last 5 or 6 trips this year, OP. I’ve tried all sorts to understand what’s been going on. Even decided a 20 year relationship with cannabis was partly to blame. Also blamed poor diet, and too much alcohol during my “sober” days. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe there are elements to the above. But the bottom line is I need a break. Sometimes there’s no other way. Forget about mushrooms for a few months and see how you feel.

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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26649449 - 05/05/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes it can help to lower the dose until it's an enjoyable experience again, and then to slowly raise it back up over time.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26649454 - 05/05/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In my experience it’s a sign of overdoing it. “Overdoing it” means something different to everyone. While mushrooms are fraught with apparent peril and risk, they always give you the experience you need insofar as the experience is always a reflection of the contents of your own consciousness, amplified. This is not an unexamined dogmatism, but an intrinsic quality of mushrooms and what they do.

There is the subjective sense that mushrooms “beat you up” if you don’t approach them with respect. This may actually be an amplification of underlying guilt around one’s frequency of tripping, or potentially underlying conditioning about “doing drugs.”

Anyway, no use using a powerful microscope to go stargazing, or a telescope to look at your hands.

I think it’s also often simply overload; too much mindfuck, too frequently, and the trips just start getting menacing.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: CountHTML]
    #26649473 - 05/05/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For me, it is important I take at least 3.5g-5g. I frequently used to have bad trips at 1.5g to 3g. First couple times was fine, but could pretty much depend on it like clockwork after 8-10 trips in that dose range. Felt like trudging in slow motion through repressed memories and emotions, whereas a high dose just takes you away on an experience that is somehow beyond all that, not to mention a shitload more fun. So it may sound counter-intuitive, but I would recommend a higher dose, infrequent trips, solid set and setting, trip only with trusted friends at home (tripping alone can be great too, though). Be rested and feeling strong. You got this


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: Psilotyl] * 1
    #26649517 - 05/05/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

shrooms seem to speak to you in the same way that dreams do - through imagery and symbolism. i don't mean the mushrooms themselves are talking to you so much as they enable your deeper mental self to speak to you, similar to how it does during dreams, trying to communicate important messages.

problem is, most people dismiss dreams as so much fluff and moonshine that has no relevance to their waking lives, when it's really their greater self trying to teach them more about themselves. but that self isn't good with words - partly because, i think, people are terrible at listening to advice. you hear or see someone telling you to do this or that and you're like "yeah, that sounds like a good idea" and you promptly forget it or do it half-heartedly and give up. or you clam up and say fuck you buddy, you don't know me! and refuse to listen.

but symbolism can be a powerful tool to nudge a person in the right direction. constantly dreaming you're naked in front of your coworkers, for instance, might reveal to yourself that you feel helpless and ashamed of yourself around the workplace, and maybe you should do something about that. (or find a new job.)

maybe your trips are trying to tell you something about yourself. maybe that honeycomb visual you saw stood for something, maybe something to do with bees? i just thought it was odd because you mentioned spending the time cleaning the house while tripping. that is NOT how i'd spend my time to relax lol, though that's just me. maybe it's trying to tell you that you are being too obsessed with cleanliness and need to relax your standards a bit, to stop being such a busy bee? (this is just a shot in the dark, i don't know you and symbols mean completely different things to every individual. this is just to give an idea of how to go about interpretation.)

that's just the general idea though. try and figure out what the trips are teaching you, because they usually are trying to communicate something. mine turned out to be teaching me quite a few things, including that i had anxiety about life after death, and that i had a really messed up body and needed to see a doctor dammit. (spoiler alert: i really did need to see the doctor. and the chiropractor. man did i feel much better afterward.) It also blew away my depression, that i didn't even realize i had to such a massive extent until it was gone! the best way i could describe it was like i was a desert oasis that was nothing but a tiny puddle of mud that suddenly got filled past the brim!

as for helping to restore the magic, do things in your waking life. new things. novel things. artsy things. new foods, new music, new science articles... hear, feel, think, and partake of the world around you. the more you take in, the better your trips will be. you can't paint a beautiful picture without a full palette of colors after all - likewise, you can't have great novel trips all the time if you just do the same things every day.

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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: CountHTML]
    #26649843 - 05/05/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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In my experience it’s a sign of overdoing it. “Overdoing it” means something different to everyone. While mushrooms are fraught with apparent peril and risk, they always give you the experience you need insofar as the experience is always a reflection of the contents of your own consciousness, amplified. This is not an unexamined dogmatism, but an intrinsic quality of mushrooms and what they do.

There is the subjective sense that mushrooms “beat you up” if you don’t approach them with respect. This may actually be an amplification of underlying guilt around one’s frequency of tripping, or potentially underlying conditioning about “doing drugs.”

Anyway, no use using a powerful microscope to go stargazing, or a telescope to look at your hands.

I think it’s also often simply overload; too much mindfuck, too frequently, and the trips just start getting menacing.




I absolutely have underlying conditioning, and underlying guilt! Mushrooms have served their purpose, I am depression free, yet I have continued at more or less two week dosing intervals. My last trip was without any cannabis whatsoever, only 3.5g old stock, and was the highest intensity I’ve ever experienced. From an hour in until gone 6 hours the open eye visuals were all encompassing. And horrible! I kept asking my wife what I’d taken. And had no understanding of time. None of this in a good way. I imagined it felt how a direct injection of psilocybin might feel....

It’s taken me a couple of months to realise, but I now get that I need a break. Going to leave it at leat four weeks, though it could quite easily morph into 12 months....... It’s a strange though compelling “obsession”, a life with psychedelics. For 35 years though, since my first LSD experience, I have been drawn to psychedelics, almost a life calling. It can be tough to lay off, when you’re in the groove...

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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26650459 - 05/05/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OP -  if you are expecting the latter parts of your trip to be rough or even start to think that way during the trip it will happen. As others have said - take time off.

I find that having a song or album that makes me feel good sober is good to have on hand if possible. If things start turning dark I change the scenery a little bit and put on that song or just change the track if I’m already listening to music. This usually puts me back in a good place.

Do not try and fight it. Any time I resist the trip it gets worse. You are strapped in for the ride. You can’t get out of the car. You can change the song on the radio, you can roll down the window.

I also find for me it’s good to have a mental set list. If you go into a trip just waiting for the “magic” and it’s not the same as last time or what you expected your mind will start to wander. It’s like showing up to a movie and there is just a black screen.. your not going to just sit there and watch a blank screen. You are going to be disappointed (negative feelings) and then your mind will try and fill the gap. Have some material to fill the gap with ahead of time. Think about positive changes you want to make in your life and the positive effects it will have after you make those changes.

This is all dose dependent obviously.. or at least the control element.

Lower your expectations and you will lower the threshold for disappointment.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26651054 - 05/05/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The times its been the best, and good the whole way through, I've got those translucent silhouettes across my field of vision. A honeycomb, lizard scales, long diamonds. I love the visual distortions that are, but they're just not interesting when I start to feel like hell mid-trip. I had started going in with a list of stuff I wanted to ponder over, and music to listen to after my first time...heh...music had never been so amazing, but the last few goes, I haven't had the interest to actually listen to anything, and my thought process remains unchanged. I've gone as high as 8g, and that was after a two week hiatus. The only consistent difference in how I set myself up is, that the first 3 times I had frozen pizzas with my shroom tea, usually finishing just as I was getting hit by the first real distortions-which for me is my floor looking like waves on top of a bigger wave.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26651483 - 05/05/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know some here like to trip often, but I find that reckless, possibly detrimental, and possibly abusive.  Once a month seems plenty to me.  But different folks, different strokes - yet still.  If all your getting is hell trips, you may want to take a close look at the way your living your life.

Don’t want to be a preacher here, but it seems that such a thing may be indicative of something important.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: tunhing]
    #26652032 - 05/06/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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and all I an think about are ways I'm coming up short




Sounds like the magic is still there but you're not listening. Your trips are showing you what you need to address in your life but you're looking for something else.

I think you keep experiencing the same trip because you're not addressing the short comings. You have to do the work if you want things to change... your shortcomings or your trips. Sounds like the same cause bth.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26652191 - 05/06/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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To get the "magic" back (which a lot of people equate to the best part of tripping, although I don't)




I agree with you here completely. Every time I read about people who talk about getting back the magic, I can't help but roll my eyes a little. You know what? If I really want magic, I can just go see a guy in a cheap tux and bad toupee sawing his beautiful assistant in half and pulling a rabbit out of his ass. When I want to trip, I take shrooms or something else. I know, I know, I get the "magic" part of it. And if that's what you're after, then yeah, wait months or years or whatever time between trips.

Also, I think that it becomes a lot more important from a conservation standpoint or a financial position to wait for tolerance to normalize so that you're not paying, say $30.00 for a hit of shrooms only to get little or no effect. But since starting to grow my own, which is leading me to a nice surplus of personal stash, if I really want to trip twice or more in a week, and it just means doubling up on a dose or going 1.5x if I wait a few days between trips, who cares? Like I said, I'm not paying $30.00 a hit, so screw it. And screw the magic, too, if I'm being truly honest. I'll take the introspection, the visuals, the good feelings, the insights, and the creativity I often get for my writing. You can keep the magic, for all I care. lol :mushroom2:


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26652294 - 05/06/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

When I talk about “losing the magic”, dude, I am specifically referring to losing; introspection, the visuals, the good feelings, the insights, and the creativity :cookiemonster:

What other “magic” do you think folks are referring to?

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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26652710 - 05/06/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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When I talk about “losing the magic”, dude, I am specifically referring to losing; introspection, the visuals, the good feelings, the insights, and the creativity :cookiemonster:

What other “magic” do you think folks are referring to?

Cheers
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Oh well in that case, I have NEVER lost the magic, no matter how many times I tripped. I tried this with LSA in the surprisingly few weeks I was waiting patiently for my shroom harvest. I just upped the dosage, and BAM! Just like that, two days after my last trip, the magic was back.

You do know I was half kidding, though, right?

I haven't yet tried this with shrooms, though. I want to wait for my current grow to be over, so I know exactly how much shrooms I have in my reserve before I start arguably wasting them by doing higher doses to force the magic to stay around. I don't want to mess around too much this summer only to find that my trip-greed exhausts my stash faster than I can replenish with a new grow in the coming Fall or Winter. One thing I have going for me is I don't sell and my friends that party all drink or smoke weed and aren't interested in tripping.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26652757 - 05/06/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

the magic of virginity is a one time side effect of innocence, however, psychedelic magic is not just about first times, it's also about time and layers of experiencing - which in normal life proceeds moment to moment past to future, but in psychedelic space, many moments are synchronous and the direction and rate of flow of time can vary.

I think if you are into opening your awareness, you wont be disappointed by psychedelic time & space.


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    #26652767 - 05/06/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Amen.


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Re: Bad Recurring Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26652933 - 05/06/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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When I talk about “losing the magic”, dude, I am specifically referring to losing; introspection, the visuals, the good feelings, the insights, and the creativity :cookiemonster:

What other “magic” do you think folks are referring to?

Cheers
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Well, it seems what people equate to "magic" (ie. the "magic" in "magic mushrooms" not the ordinary stuff) is the mostly inexpressible feeling of being carried completely away to vast realms of shiny on a transport of unicorn farts.  Not to belittle it, as that's extraordinary fun (depending on what the unicorns were eating of course) but there are huge realms of tripping beyond that. IOW (not really putting this too well) the "magic" is the stuff with no apparent connection to ordinary reality that sweeps you away and makes you say "holy shit motherfucker I am SO tripping!" repeatedly. :laugh2:

IME what tripping repeatedly does is blow through that but leave you access to vaster and more interesting realms, capable of exploration.  The realm of shamanic action, basically. :snoopyes:


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