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At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? 1
#26648456 - 05/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay, so I apologize about yet another thread about my n00b grow, but I will keep this one mercifully short, lol. I am going to re-post pics of my "floor plans" below showing my flushes. If you look at the pics, you'll see that for some of my cakes, I have not seen fruits for between 14 and 19 days! Others have fruited in the past week'ish.
Fun facts: Every one of my 24 cakes had very generous first flushes. So I am incredibly grateful to RogerRabbit, for his videos, and many people in this forum, not to mention, of course, the Mycelium Gods. I did get 2nd flushes on 8 of my 13 Costa Rico cakes, but no 2nd flush yet on ANY of my Golden Teacher cakes. Note that ALL my GT cakes took a much longer time to first flush than any of my CR cakes.
So is it time to toss at least some of these cakes, be happy and grateful for what I have, and live to fight another day? Or should I wait and see what happens? Note: I'm not referring to the cakes that fruited a week ago


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26648588 - 05/04/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's kind of all up to you
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26648618 - 05/04/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: That's kind of all up to you
OK, I guess I need to rephrase the question. I have no idea whether or not it’s time to bail on these cakes, because I don’t have the knowledge. I did a Google search on this but there’s really no information on when to bail on your stalled or resting cakes. Particularly since a lot of them haven’t even had second flushes yet. Is there some common number? Is there a point where you just say, screw it? What’s the consensus on what would be the best way to proceed?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648633 - 05/04/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You dispose of them when they either contaminate, you run out of space, when they haven't produced in a long time or when you get tired of them
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned] 1
#26648644 - 05/04/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you need the space due to a new grow, then you can crumble the cakes up and throw in a grocery bag and leave them outside and you may get fruits! Compost them if your environmentally conscious.
When the cakes stop producing fruits, you can toss them. But if you keep misting them, they will keep giving you fruits
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
#26648650 - 05/04/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: You dispose of them when they either contaminate, you run out of space, when they haven't produced in a long time or when you get tired of them
Pretty much
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: woofwoof]
#26648662 - 05/04/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get all of this, my question is whether or not there’s some sort of a guideline as to whether or not cakes or “done“ or they are just in a stall or resting state. I’m not sure if I’m expressing this point in all my questions in this thread poorly? I don’t understand the answers that you guys are giving me, I really don’t. You’re basically telling me throw them out if I think that’s the right call; keep them if I want to, or something in between. But I’m asking for a little guidance on what the criteria is to make this particular decision. Stated another way, if you were in my shoes, how would you make this decision? And to be clear, in case anybody thinks I’m asking you guys to make a decision for me, I’m not. I just don’t know what criteria I should be using to make this particular determination. I hope this is a little clearer than I guess I was above.
edit: I definitely get the contamination, as well as the stop fruiting part as a criteria. And if I see contamination, obviously they’re done. But I don’t know what “stopped fruiting” even means, or rather when a person knows that they’ve stopped fruiting altogether versus resting or stalled.
Edit2: Oh and I’m not gonna be doing another grow until September, so I’m not looking to make space, and I’m not like bumping into them every day, they’re not in my way, even if they sat there in my closet for another two months LOL
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648674 - 05/04/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then keep them in a closet for another 2 months 
While I haven't done PF tek in a long time, I usually throw whatever I have out when I feel it's not worth it anymore. When I was doing cakes, I'd usually get maybe 1 or 2 mushrooms on a 3rd-4th flush and decided to ditch it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
#26648708 - 05/04/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Then keep them in a closet for another 2 months
Fair enough. Obviously I’m not going to keep them in the closet for two months if they’re not fruiting before the. Not because of any other reason than something is probably going to grow in there long before two months from now…but I would bet a lot of money it wouldn’t be mushrooms at some point, but all kinds of contaminants. I’m really not sure what you guys are telling me here. And I have a pretty good sense of reading comprehension. Is there some unspoken rule around here, that I’m not aware of, under the heading of “give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day…” that is causing you all to answer this question coyly?
Unless I’m really just stating my point poorly, even though I think I’ve been very clear, if you guys don’t want to answer the question without being a little evasive, then just say so. Because right now I’m scratching my head wondering if I’m misunderstanding all of you, you are all misunderstanding me, or if you guys are just using intentionally nebulous answers to try to teach me some tough love lesson that I’m just not grasping.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648755 - 05/04/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What’s a ‘long time’ for no fruiting?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26648795 - 05/04/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you're just confused because there is no set answer. There's nothing that's says you need to toss them after 21 days of no fruits. You can keep them and keep trying to get 2nd/3rd flushes or you can toss them.
I've only done cakes once but personally if I've gotten a flush off them dunked them and then they sat for 2 weeks not doing anything I'd toss them. Some people would keep them around because they may potentially produce some more fruits so it really just comes down to your situation. If there's no contam and you have the extra space it shouldn't hurt anything to keep trying.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: WyoMX]
#26648813 - 05/04/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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WyoMX said: I think you're just confused because there is no set answer. There's nothing that's says you need to toss them after 21 days of no fruits. You can keep them and keep trying to get 2nd/3rd flushes or you can toss them.
I've only done cakes once but personally if I've gotten a flush off them dunked them and then they sat for 2 weeks not doing anything I'd toss them. Some people would keep them around because they may potentially produce some more fruits so it really just comes down to your situation. If there's no contam and you have the extra space it shouldn't hurt anything to keep trying.
Well good to know. I guess long term it’s more or less a contam I’ve fruiting issue... luckily I’ve yet to have a contam. I use restaurant sterilizer.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88]
#26648829 - 05/04/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There isn't a set answer because most cakes give up the ghost before to Long and contamination sets in when they run out of the ability to fight it off.
You should be getting pins that abort while the cakes are still flushing. So if they just stopped growing mushrooms I would bet that they are just in between a flush. BRF is highly nutrious and if it is consuming the media.... Just give it time. Your probably gonna have another big ass flush soon.
If you start to see knotting and then aborts or only a few shrooms then they are probably done.
I have gotten 5 flushes from cakes, happens all the time, but by the 5th one it ends up being sad and I need space. Most people rotate them out because they need room or contamination sets in.
When was the last flush? How many flushes have they put out? How heavy are they? Do they all look healthy?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: woofwoof]
#26648869 - 05/04/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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get some black kow compost manure at lowes , home depot or a similar place a, pour the manure in some flower pots, crumble the old brf cakes and mix into the manure and mix thoroughly, let sit outside and keep the moist like you are caring for a flower. The old cakes will colonize the flower pots and grow fruit, you can place the flower pots indoors inside a Martha or other humidity chamber as well.
be sure that you pasteurize the manure using the bucket tek or something before using it. but there's no need to throw out old cakes when you can use them.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Doc9151]
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Doc9151 said: get some black kow compost manure at lowes , home depot or a similar place a, pour the manure in some flower pots, crumble the old brf cakes and mix into the manure and mix thoroughly, let sit outside and keep the moist like you are caring for a flower. The old cakes will colonize the flower pots and grow fruit, you can place the flower pots indoors inside a Martha or other humidity chamber as well.
be sure that you pasteurize the manure using the bucket tek or something before using it. but there's no need to throw out old cakes when you can use them.
I was shocked to find two mushrooms growing outside this spring from rinsing out my grow tub. I love it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88]
#26648938 - 05/04/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
#26648974 - 05/04/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
I disagree, I've had some fat ass flushes from brf, it depends on the growing environment.
Brf is good for 1-2 people unless you're doing a bunch, since jars come in cases, i make up a case at a time leaving one empty as a control.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
#26648983 - 05/04/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649001 - 05/04/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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20 cakes in a monotub is like a 5-6 oz first flush
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649081 - 05/04/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.
I’d rather knocc up a 5lb bag of oats instead of worrying about some cakes
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26649179 - 05/04/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much experience do you really have with cake Bod? I mean you seem like a mono guy right?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649197 - 05/04/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: How much experience do you really have with cake Bod? I mean you seem like a mono guy right?
Give it up man, let these finish fruiting until the fruits are pathetic and move on. Cakes are whack no matter how you spin in. At very least grate them into a shoebox otherwise stop the shenanigans
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#26649253 - 05/04/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.
Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.
Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.
Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
#26649542 - 05/05/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I suggest cakes to shoebox because it takes up less space and because it's cheaper and less work than the alternatives.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26649739 - 05/05/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the answers everyone. Some of you have asked me when the last flushes where. The answer is actually laid out very easy in the three pics I posted, and shows exact dates and times when all the cakes were finished that flush, and put back into the SGFC after being dunked.
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Sockadin said: There isn't a set answer because most cakes give up the ghost before to Long and contamination sets in when they run out of the ability to fight it off.
You should be getting pins that abort while the cakes are still flushing. So if they just stopped growing mushrooms I would bet that they are just in between a flush. BRF is highly nutrious and if it is consuming the media.... Just give it time. Your probably gonna have another big ass flush soon.
I really hope so! Because right now I am getting little micro pins here and there and such, very sparse. I did get at least one flush from all 24 cakes, so that's good. 8 of the 24 cakes yielded nice second flushes, too. The one thing that gives me hope is that all my 11 Golden Teacher cakes took a much, much loner time to have their first flush than the Costa Rico cakes, and they may just be taking a really long time for their second flush. None of my GT cakes have had a second flush as of yet, by the way, only 8/11 of my Costa Rico cakes.
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Sockadin said: If you start to see knotting and then aborts or only a few shrooms then they are probably done.
No knotting, but I am getting some micro pins. I'm wondering if I should just start pulling off little pins that aren't really going anywhere if they are "in the way" of real mushrooms coming out.
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Sockadin said: I have gotten 5 flushes from cakes, happens all the time, but by the 5th one it ends up being sad and I need space. Most people rotate them out because they need room or contamination sets in.
Well, I don't need the room, as I only have 5 inoculated cakes that are going into an HC probably in the next week to 10 days, and there is already room for them in my closet. Other than some discoloration, I don't really see signs of contamination, then again, other than obvious green mold, I have no idea what contamination looks like in an SGFC on the cakes.
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Sockadin said: When was the last flush? How many flushes have they put out? How heavy are they? Do they all look healthy?
I don't know what healthy looks like, to be honest. They mostly feel "weighty" to me. All cakes did at least one flush. None of my GT cakes have had a second flush, and 8 of my 11 CR cakes have had second flushes. You can see the dates of everything in my "floor plans" on the previous page. Its all very clearly laid out when the flushes were finished, and the cakes went back into the SGFC.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx]
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Sockadin said: I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.
Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.
Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes
Sounds like you sucked at cakes sorry man.
Easy to get 7+ first flush
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26649844 - 05/05/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like your not done. Just in between flushes.
Give it time.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Sockadin said: Sounds to me like your not done. Just in between flushes.
Give it time.
You know when you ask a question and you don't want to admit that what you really want is for someone to tell you what you want to hear? We've all done it, and, while I am trying to be intellectually honest, and open to all answers, whether I like them or not, you definitely just told me what I wanted to hear. I was already leaning heavily toward waiting anyway. However, the intelligent and objective part of me knows that its not just as simple as letting your cakes rot in the closet if that's what they want to do, Because if it were just about patience and having nothing to lose by waiting, even if its a slim chance, then who cares, right? Might as well wait, because I don't need the space and so I have nothing to lose.
But as some pointed out, and I knew this going in, my opinion is that the longer it takes between flushes, and the longer cakes stay in a warm, moist environment without fruiting, the more of a chance competing organisms will fill the power vacuum, so to speak. And if I let contaminants get a foothold in my tubs, and by extension, my big closet, I could be seriously compromising future grows at some point.
tl;dr - So, given that some of my cakes haven't flushed for between 2 weeks and about 20 days, I could be wrong, but I say another 2 weeks shouldn't hurt anything, right? I mean, I'm sure if I go a full month without viable flushes, then at that point it would be hard to make the argument that they are still viable? But with only between 14 and 20 days, while it may not be a great sign, there is still at least some hope?
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Easy to get 7+ first flush
Sounds like you're describing me, too. And accurately, I might add. 
I got one full flush from all 24 cakes. And very nice ones, if I do say. I got sweet second flushes from 8 of my cakes. All of the second flushes were from my Costa Rico cakes, so I have yet to see a viable second flush from any of my Golden Teacher cakes, and second flushes on 5 of my 13 CR cakes are thus far MIA. So as I said to Sockadin above, I'm still hopeful. But clearly, I suck at cakes, to use your words. Well, I'm learning, and I am incredibly grateful for what I already got from the generous mycelium gods.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26649980 - 05/05/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think bod was saying that to you, but to brindle foxx.
LSA, can you show us your cakes?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
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poisoned said: I don't think bod was saying that to you, but to brindle foxx.
LSA, can you show us your cakes?
No, I know he wasn't talking to me at all. I was just saying it sounds like he was also describing me, since it sure seems like I, too, suck at cakes, to use his words. I will try to take pics in a little while if I get home soon enough, but I may not get home until late afternoon.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26650453 - 05/05/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I didn't think that was aimed at you either.
You have never done this before and had amazing results with the first try. Did you even have 1 cake contaminated while in the jar?
Either way 2 weeks is a pretty long time. I would start adjusting the humidity to get that evaporation trigger.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26650500 - 05/05/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Either way 2 weeks is a pretty long time. I would start adjusting the humidity to get that evaporation trigger.
How do I do this? I get the feeling you might’ve said it before, but I’m not sure how I would adjust the humidity. Unless you’re talking specifically about fanning more, or less or misting more or less.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Sockadin said: I'm the guy who hates it when people make that suggestion. So yeah cakes to coir crumbled is a dumb idea at best.
Cakes can fruit plenty on their own and don't need to be crumbled.
Enjoy your maybe 5 Gram dry flushes from your cakes
Sounds like you sucked at cakes sorry man.
Easy to get 7+ first flush
I just used it as a stepping stone. Learned my fundamentals from RR and then I just studied a lot of your teks instead and went bigger. Thank you for all you do btw.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Fan more mist less. Don't spray your perilite. Circulating air a couple times a day. Anything to remove surface moisture with out drying out the cakes.
I just had a shoebox go a month with no fruits, do I uncovered the top and let it sit for about 5 hrs a day for a couple of days. Gave it a lite mist and Bam it is finally pinning.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Fan more mist less. Don't spray your perilite. Circulating air a couple times a day. Anything to remove surface moisture with out drying out the cakes.
I just had a shoebox go a month with no fruits, do I uncovered the top and let it sit for about 5 hrs a day for a couple of days. Gave it a lite mist and Bam it is finally pinning.
Wow a month is a long time. Okay, so time to follow your lead. I just fanned now, and didn't mist since about 3 hours ago. I am going to leave the covers off of both my SGFC's for two hours today. Unless you think I should leave the covers off longer? Should I go coverless for 5 hours like you did with your formerly lagging shoebox? I will then wait until tonight to mist, and put the cover back on.
I'll try leaving the cover off every day for 2-5 hours, as a last ditch effort, and see what happens. Maybe my cakes need to evaporate all that surface moisture, as you're saying. Worth a try, right?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Worth a try.
Honestly I can't really say how long or what technique because it is all about ambient RH in your house or grow room. There isn't a right way to grow, you gotta feel it.
Again I'm in an old house in the deep South with normally 70% humidity so my tubs or cakes may take longer to wick that yours.
I would say we on the side of caution and leave the lids on cause it's a SGFC and maybe just put a fan in an adjacent room to circulate air.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
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The chambers are in a closet, and there’s no way a fan would reach them from another room. But I’ll put the cover back on, as you suggest. Maybe I’ll wait an hour or two just to see what happens, let the cakes dry out a little bit, and then I’ll try misting them when I put the cover back on. Maybe just leaving the covers off for a little while longer will air everything out a little bit. At this point, I’m just flying blind. So I guess we’ll see what happens.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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MAN you have been flying blind from the start. RR videos can be a crutch, welcome to cultivation. And this is the internet so many people will tell you. "Do this,Do that"
Trust your gut, like Bod said "Your eyes are the best tool." Or something like that. But I agree you are the only one who can make decisions and adjustments at this point. We are only here to tell you what has worked for us in the past.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Cakes last about 3-4 flushes typically. When they look shrivled AFTER dunking them, then its time to say goodbye to them.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
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LogicaL Chaos said: Cakes last about 3-4 flushes typically. When they look shrivled AFTER dunking them, then its time to say goodbye to them.
I guess I'll see soon enough, because the cakes are definitely not shriveled, and there are some anemic pins and one tiny shroom. Since there is no sign of contamination that I can see, and the cakes don't look shriveled, there doesn't seem to be any harm leaving them in the two terrariums another week or two. As long as my closet isn't going to become infested with trich or other organisms, I might as well wait it out a bit more.
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Sockadin said: MAN you have been flying blind from the start. RR videos can be a crutch, welcome to cultivation. And this is the internet so many people will tell you. "Do this,Do that"
This is kind of what I have been saying, to be honest. Nor was I asking for anyone to tell me what to do, but instead to offer suggestions based on much more experience than I currently have.
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Sockadin said: Trust your gut, like Bod said "Your eyes are the best tool." Or something like that. But I agree you are the only one who can make decisions and adjustments at this point. We are only here to tell you what has worked for us in the past.
Which is all I have ever asked of anyone here. Opinions based on in many cases vastly more knowledge and experience than I have. What I'm not quite sure I understand in this forum is the prevelence of people who are skittish about giving their opinions when I ask questions that don't necessarily have a definitive answer, but require some thought, and even speculation. Such as the fact that I have 24 cakes that are either stalled, resting, or done. Do you and some of the others in this thread honestly believe, for even a millisecond, that I am asking you to "tell me what to do" from the standpoint of expecting you to take on the responsibility of whether these cakes succeed or die? Like...what? I'm going to sue you or come to your house and beat you up if you tell me, say you think I should "wait another two weeks to see what happens," and I do it and nothing comes of it?
I don't know what kinds of jackasses n00bs you guys are all used to dealing with in this forum. Maybe you're all used so used to giving sage advice only to have people throw it in your faces when things go wrong, but you all seem so gun shy sometimes. lol As if offering advice, stated as an educated opinion, somehow makes you culpable if my project doesn't go exactly as I expect it to go based on what you said? I mean, come on. You don't know me all that well, but you have to know by now that I'm not that guy. I'm not looking for someone to blame if something goes wrong, or if, goddess forbid, I follow your advice and things don't turn out as expected. Do you honestly believe, based on literally ANYTHING I posted, that I would become hostile or belligerent if I ask advice, I am given advice, I follow said advice, and things don't go well? Let's be clear about this. I KNOW for a fact you guys aren't living in my house. I can describe my cakes, my flushes, my lack thereof, my SGFC's, my ambient temp and humidity, my cleanliness, and whatever else I am on about in that given moment. But, in the end, you aren't here, and even with pics, sometimes you simply can't tell what's truly going on.
I truly wish people here would stop treating me like I am one step away from both failing AND looking for someone to lash out at who generously gave me their time and advice, but it didn't work out as expected. Think of it like this: I go to a doctor. I'm a patient with little knowledge about anatomy, physiology, and pathology. Say I get a treatment plan for surgery from one guy, then I go for a second opinion, then even a third, as I did when I needed bilateral rotator cuff surgery. In the end, no matter how little I know, I am the one who has to make the decision, based on all the information I get from the various doctors. I see this forum as being a lot like that. I ask for advice, and what I'm hoping for is not a definitive promise or some contractual obligation that what you or someone else tells me will work out great for me 100% of the time, so that I get to blame you if my shit goes off the rails. Seriously, I wish people around here would stop treating my like a delicate flower, like I'm one very small step away from failing and ready to jump on you because you generously took time and energy out of your day to offer your opinion. I won't lie. It's really fucking frustrating to have to literally pull teeth around here, and state and restate, clarify and re-clarify ten times before I can tear your opinions out of you like I'm an interrogator and your my suspect. Look, if I ask advice and you really don't want to be bothered, for whatever reason, then fine, I can respect that. But please, for the love of everything holy, I wish people here would understand that, to me, to my perspective, when I ask questions like the ones I did in this thread, its because I don't have the experience to know the answers, and would like some opinions from people who presumably do have that experience I lack. This way, I can make a decision based on what little, paltry knowledge I have at the moment, combined with your much more knowledgeable answers.
Newsflash: I already know its my decision. I'm NOT expecting you or others to make that decision for me. Just offer opinions and advice, if you're willing, and when I sift through it all, I will make the decision myself, and the responsibility if things go off the rails will be mine, and mine alone, irrespective of your advice. Honestly, I feel like half the people in this forum believe I'm looking for someone to blame because I am abdicating my responsibility. Just be a good "doctor," give me your opinions (as you said, based on YOUR experience) and I will make my decision based on the round-robin or brain storming that message forums usually afford. Not to be an ass here, but I just hate that often I have to go 15 rounds with you guys before I can finally cajole you to say something like, "I would give it another week or two." You think I don't already know that you are only telling me what worked for you and others in the past, when in a situation like mine?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26652186 - 05/06/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That was a long wall of text.
We gave you all advice we could based on the data we have. If you just posted some pics, we could definitely give you some better advice on what's happening to your cakes. But if all we know is "they've been doing nothing for X amount of time", we can't give you the answers.
You want some definite answers from some very vague data. Even looking at stuff with my own eyes, smelling and touching it, It's sometimes hard to say what's happening. And I won't tell you your cakes are bad or good because they've been stalled for I don't know how many days.
You're asking us if there's life after death and expecting us to answer like some kind of know-it-all messiahs.
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#26652200 - 05/06/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: That was a long wall of text.
We gave you all advice we could based on the data we have. If you just posted some pics, we could definitely give you some better advice on what's happening to your cakes. But if all we know is "they've been doing nothing for X amount of time", we can't give you the answers.
Sorry lol I thought I posted pics. I did say I would, but I remember I forgot. None of that was my point anyway.
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You're asking us if there's life after death and expecting us to answer like some kind of know-it-all messiahs.
No, not at all. You're completely misinterpreting what I said. In fact, I said the complete opposite. But I will take some pics now and post them. Because I don't want to argue with you. I was looking for a bunch of people to chime in, nothing more, based on the info I was giving. But yeah, I will cop to forgetting to post the pics I promised to.
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#26652230 - 05/06/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay so here are the pics:
Pics 1 and 2 are both my larger 70 Qt SGFC, from the front and overhead, and pics 3 & 4 are the smaller 30 Qt SGFC from the side and overhead:



Edited by LSA Woodrose (05/06/20 05:34 AM)
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those cakes look like you'll get another flush at least.
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woofwoof said: those cakes look like you'll get another flush at least.
Cool!
I decided to try a variation of what Sockadin suggested above last night. I fanned them for about 2 minutes, then left the covers completely off for about 2 hours to air the chambers out. I also waited until this morning to mist them again. Since some people say that water evaporating is a pinning trigger, I waited until this morning when I woke up, and then felt the cakes to make sure they were a little drier, but somewhat "damp" to the touch.
Those who say "your eyes are the best indicator" assume my eyes can actually tell, even with my reading glasses, what the moisture level is on my cakes. I can't. I never can. I have to actually feel them with my fingers. Because unless the cakes are water-logged, my eyes literally tell me nothing. Probably down to my inexperience.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26652280 - 05/06/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just remember, pinning is a slooooow process so it looks like nothing is happening but really the cakes are starting to pin for the next flush.
Another charactertistic of a "spent cake" is they look like the life has been sucked out of them, like drained of life. Like a lifeform that is no longer alive to put it another way.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26652286 - 05/06/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So Logical Chaos, do those cakes look at least marginally all right to your eyes as well? At least in so far as you could see from pictures, that is.
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#26652322 - 05/06/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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They look healthy in the pictures to me, certainly think they got some mush producing power left in them. I found a huge indicator of my spent cakes was how light in weight they became, even if still healthy they could only spit out one or two small mushies after the 5/6th flush.
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Those cakes definitely look like they'll produce some more.
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#26652698 - 05/06/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesomeness! Hopefully the mycelium godesses shall find me worthy of a few more ounces of dried shrooms to add to my stockpile. Well, not just from these 24 cakes, but from the 5 BRF jars I currently have cooking, that should be ready to birth in a week'ish!
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#26652771 - 05/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is there a reason that keeps your SGFC in the closet? It’s workable obviously but it can’t be optimal, and maybe you have stubborn cakes that are just waiting for freedom.
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#26652810 - 05/06/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a small apartment right now, and it just works out easier logistically to have them in the closet. It is a big closet, though, but I had the feeling it was sub-optimal. While I am not having anywhere near as many guests now, sometimes I have people over, and I prefer my shrooms be away from anyone seeing them. They would also be in the way wherever I could think to put them right now.
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Possible to just leave the doors or a door open?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
#26652824 - 05/06/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could try that, Htaeh, the only hitch being that I have a bright 6500K CFL in there and it makes the bedroom too bright with the doors open. Sometimes, especially now with Covid, I hang out in the bedroom, because it has my computer, and its own small home theater system.
But I think your advice makes sense and what I could do is leave the doors open the entire time that the lights are off. I have them on a 12 hour on/off timer. And also, if I am not working or doing something like streaming or PC gaming in the bedroom, then I could leave the doors open.
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#26652853 - 05/06/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would recommend bottom watering them at this point. They look good though. Like everyone else said you will get another flush.
After looking at the pictures I would recommend leaving the lid on it and continuing the fan and mist routine.
Bottom water FTW, where is That he got pictures somewhere of cakes being bottom watered I think.
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Sounds like a good approach. Sockadin is absolutely right too, get some bottom feeding going!
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
#26652981 - 05/06/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK thanks guys! I think I understand what it means to water something from the bottom, but I have no idea how to it apply to shrooms or these cakes. Are you saying that I take them off the tinfoil and put put them in little water bowls in the SGFCs or something?
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The best way imo and easiest is get jar lids, wrap them in foil to form a shallow 'cake bowl' then put them in the fc and fill the bowl as needed. If there was still water in them after two days I'd replace it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
#26653009 - 05/06/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I understand you correctly, the cakes will actually be sitting on a little bit of water inside the jar lights, right? The only problem I’m gonna face is I have 24 cakes, and five of my 20 for 1/2 pint mason jars are occupied with cakes that are consolidating right now. So I’m gonna have to improvise something for the other five cakes, but your idea is definitely doable. Thanks!
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Correct and you can have a visual example if you press my avatar, they sit in the bowl and then you can just pour some water inside. You can indeed improvise yes, I used plant pot saucers also viewable from my avatar when I ran out of lids.
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Htaeh said: Correct and you can have a visual example if you press my avatar, they sit in the bowl and then you can just pour some water inside. You can indeed improvise yes, I used plant pot saucers also viewable from my avatar when I ran out of lids.
Okay, done and done. Do these look right?

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Looking pretty damn good to me fella!
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] 1
#26653332 - 05/06/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aw yeah! U can also use petri dishes or buy the plastic half pint wide mouth jar lids that are one solid piece.
Theres several options.
That being said, well done on your concave dishes!
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26653348 - 05/06/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mushrooms can grow in straight water. Here is a tub I filled and threw my spent bulk subs in and forgot about.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26653353 - 05/06/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn thats crazy!
Dare i say Hydroponic shrooms?
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26653367 - 05/06/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That’s awesome! I would have expected rot before any mushrooms would really grow... way to go.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88] 2
#26653436 - 05/06/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It really is awesome! Kind of remind me of Mateah’s Water HC tub, which I intend to try hopefully in a week or so when my five cakes are ready to be birthed from the jars.
By the way, great call on bottom watering, guys! I went back and checked my cakes just out of curiosity, and well more than half of them, had those little impromptu water cups bone dry only a couple of hours after I put them in the water. So I grabbed a turkey baster and a big glass of water and refilled them all. At first I thought maybe some of the tinfoil had holes in it and the water leaked out, but when I confirmed they didn’t, I quickly realized that the cakes just sucked up all that water in a very short time. Leading me to believe that as much as I have been trying to maintain proper humidity, and I have been fanning and misting, the cakes really needed water to suck into themselves. My hypothesis, based on this, is that the insides of the cakes were dry. I’m going to keep tabs on this, and for the next couple of days every 6 to 12 hours or so I’m going to go in there ready to refill any little tinfoil cups that need it.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] 2
#26654320 - 05/07/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hahah awesome! I once watched the mycelium of the cakes drawing water up along its face in a small stream of droplets. Glad to hear they're getting a good drink.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] 2
#26654454 - 05/07/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's awesome they soaked up water that fast. When you first shared the picture I was thinking they looked a little thirsty.
Just for fun I went to check on the floating subs tub. Damn these things get big outside when there is plenty of drink.
Makes me want to do a floating shoebox sub experiment.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin] 2
#26654514 - 05/07/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Htaeh said: Hahah awesome! I once watched the mycelium of the cakes drawing water up along its face in a small stream of droplets. Glad to hear they're getting a good drink.
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Sockadin said: That's awesome they soaked up water that fast. When you first shared the picture I was thinking they looked a little thirsty.
Just for fun I went to check on the floating subs tub. Damn these things get big outside when there is plenty of drink.
Makes me want to do a floating shoebox sub experiment.

Thanks, you two!!
Wow, you don't know the half of it! Jeez, I think the inner guts of these cakes are freaking bone dry! I come to this hypothesis or opinion thanks to all of you who recommended I bottom-water. Because before I went to bed, at least 1/3 of my cakes just a few hours after my last post, had their little concave trays bone-dry! So I added water to all those trays, as well as about another 8 that were not dry but running a little low. That's basically 2/3 of my 24 cakes that needed bottom-watering a second time. I woke up this morning, after leaving them for a little over 10 hours, and about half were...you guessed it, bone dry.
Last night, I decided to use a turkey baster to surgically water the little concave-contraptions a little more surgically.
If I could venture a guess, my opinion is that, for whatever reason, these SGFC's are simply NOT getting good FAE, maybe not even close to enough. If I might venture another n00b guess, here it is. I got GORGEOUS first flushes as anyone who has been following my thread here already knows. I mean beautiful first flushes on all 24 of 24 cakes. It blew me away. I got decent to moderate second flushes on maybe 1/3 of those cakes only. My n00b hypothesis is this: For whatever reason, maybe because NY City this time of year has very low humidity, expecially indoors without any external humidifiers, my FAE was simply dogshit. So my n00b opinion tells me that it wasn't FAE that brought me my fantastic first flushes, but the fact that the cakes were very fresh out of the jars, and the internal water content was still high enough from being freshly birthed from the jars, and during about the 15-35 day window, the inner guts of the cakes dried out at varying rates, explaining why some cakes likely got 2nd flushes and others did not. And this happened, unfortunately, all while misting and fanning.
So, yeah, my noobish opinion is, no matter how hard I worked at it, I have dogshit FAE, and this remedy you all gave me will hopefully work very well. I intend to keep bottom watering, as needed for individual concave trays until, all the cakes are inner-moist enough to not continue sucking up water.
Sockadin, I would LOVE to try a floating tub, because it looks amazing. However, I live in Brooklyn. Even though my house has a decent city backyard, there are way too many neighbors, including the house that shares a driveway, and there is no fence between our two yards. I really think that outdoor mushrooms could get me into a lot of trouble. LMAO I think my compromise will have to be Meateah's Water Tub Tek.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26654537 - 05/07/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't believe it took sockadins suggestion for me to remember about bottom watering for I'm a huge advocate of it lol.
In any case I'm glad this has worked in your favour and with some time we should see them GTs produce a second flush. I cant speak for your FAE or RH but it's my understanding that one of the main things relevant to whether a cake will produce is not just the conditions but the nutrient and water reserves of the cakes themselves, so basically as you touched upon even given perfect conditions a cake still is unlikely to produce anything notable while its water reserve isn't sufficient enough to support the myceliums life and produce its fruit and vice versa for its nutrient reserve. In the same respect production can be affected when given bad conditions with sufficient reserves. By the sounds of what you say they did indeed need a drink and its potential they didn't have the water they needed in order to continue an effort to produce fruit. But as I say, that was my understanding.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] 1
#26654559 - 05/07/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelium is very efficient at moving nutrients and water so all it needs is a little bottom hydration for the whole structure to rehydrate. Still want to mist to create the evaporation of the surface, but most of your flushes will probably come from the bottom of the cakes closest to the water.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26654568 - 05/07/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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From past reading the areas in which fruits will grow from are the borders of where bodies of mycelium meet and while I don't know for sure but this could indicate potential for them to grow in similar locations as before. Its also said to be preferable within pf tek to birth the cakes (or rather set them within the FC) the same side up as they were during colonisation.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx] 1
#26654856 - 05/07/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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brindle foxx said: Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.
That's just like, your opinion man.
Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.
I’d rather knocc up a 5lb bag of oats instead of worrying about some cakes
not everyone wants that much or has space to do bulk.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Doc9151] 2
#26654877 - 05/07/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cakes can be just as fun as bulk too. Cakes are also a good way to test genetics with clone material and LC.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
#26655154 - 05/07/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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IDK, 1 jar of grain is less work than a single BRF cake, while also producing more.
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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
#26655293 - 05/07/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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poisoned said: IDK, 1 jar of grain is less work than a single BRF cake, while also producing more.
I understand why you would go for bulk, but not everyone is comfortable with having weight in their house or only want what they can consume in one go, some even do it for the novelty of growing something different.
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