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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26653017 - 05/06/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Correct and you can have a visual example if you press my avatar, they sit in the bowl and then you can just pour some water inside. You can indeed improvise yes, I used plant pot saucers also viewable from my avatar when I ran out of lids.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26653148 - 05/06/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Correct and you can have a visual example if you press my avatar, they sit in the bowl and then you can just pour some water inside. You can indeed improvise yes, I used plant pot saucers also viewable from my avatar when I ran out of lids.





Okay, done and done. Do these look right?




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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26653180 - 05/06/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Looking pretty damn good to me fella!


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26653332 - 05/06/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Aw yeah! U can also use petri dishes or buy the plastic half pint wide mouth jar lids that are one solid piece.

Theres several options.

That being said, well done on your concave dishes! :thumbup:


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26653348 - 05/06/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms can grow in straight water. Here is a tub I filled and threw my spent bulk subs in and forgot about.



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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26653353 - 05/06/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Damn thats crazy!

Dare i say Hydroponic shrooms? :wooyeah:


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26653367 - 05/06/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s awesome! I would have expected rot before any mushrooms would really grow... way to go.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Az88] * 2
    #26653436 - 05/06/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It really is awesome! Kind of remind me of Mateah’s Water HC tub, which I intend to try hopefully in a week or so when my five cakes are ready to be birthed from the jars.

By the way, great call on bottom watering, guys! I went back and checked my cakes just out of curiosity, and well more than half of them, had those little impromptu water cups bone dry only a couple of hours after I put them in the water. So I grabbed a turkey baster and a big glass of water and refilled them all. At first I thought maybe some of the tinfoil had holes in it and the water leaked out, but when I confirmed they didn’t, I quickly realized that the cakes just sucked up all that water in a very short time. Leading me to believe that as much as I have been trying to maintain proper humidity, and I have been fanning and misting, the cakes really needed water to suck into themselves. My hypothesis, based on this, is that the insides of the cakes were dry. I’m going to keep tabs on this, and for the next couple of days every 6 to 12 hours or so I’m going to go in there ready to refill any little tinfoil cups that need it.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26654320 - 05/07/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hahah awesome! I once watched the mycelium of the cakes drawing water up along its face in a small stream of droplets. Glad to hear they're getting a good drink.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] * 2
    #26654454 - 05/07/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's awesome they soaked up water that fast. When you first shared the picture I was thinking they looked a little thirsty.

Just for fun I went to check on the floating subs tub. Damn these things get big outside when there is plenty of drink.

Makes me want to do a floating shoebox sub experiment.



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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin] * 2
    #26654514 - 05/07/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hahah awesome! I once watched the mycelium of the cakes drawing water up along its face in a small stream of droplets. Glad to hear they're getting a good drink.





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That's awesome they soaked up water that fast. When you first shared the picture I was thinking they looked a little thirsty.

Just for fun I went to check on the floating subs tub. Damn these things get big outside when there is plenty of drink.

Makes me want to do a floating shoebox sub experiment.






Thanks, you two!!

Wow, you don't know the half of it! Jeez, I think the inner guts of these cakes are freaking bone dry! I come to this hypothesis or opinion thanks to all of you who recommended I bottom-water. Because before I went to bed, at least 1/3 of my cakes just a few hours after my last post, had their little concave trays bone-dry! So I added water to all those trays, as well as about another 8 that were not dry but running a little low. That's basically 2/3 of my 24 cakes that needed bottom-watering a second time. I woke up this morning, after leaving them for a little over 10 hours, and about half were...you guessed it, bone dry.

Last night, I decided to use a turkey baster to surgically water the little concave-contraptions a little more surgically.

If I could venture a guess, my opinion is that, for whatever reason, these SGFC's are simply NOT getting good FAE, maybe not even close to enough. If I might venture another n00b guess, here it is. I got GORGEOUS first flushes as anyone who has been following my thread here already knows. I mean beautiful first flushes on all 24 of 24 cakes. It blew me away. I got decent to moderate second flushes on maybe 1/3 of those cakes only. My n00b hypothesis is this: For whatever reason, maybe because NY City this time of year has very low humidity, expecially indoors without any external humidifiers, my FAE was simply dogshit. So my n00b opinion tells me that it wasn't FAE that brought me my fantastic first flushes, but the fact that the cakes were very fresh out of the jars, and the internal water content was still high enough from being freshly birthed from the jars, and during about the 15-35 day window, the inner guts of the cakes dried out at varying rates, explaining why some cakes likely got 2nd flushes and others did not. And this happened, unfortunately, all while misting and fanning.

So, yeah, my noobish opinion is, no matter how hard I worked at it, I have dogshit FAE, and this remedy you all gave me will hopefully work very well. I intend to keep bottom watering, as needed for individual concave trays until, all the cakes are inner-moist enough to not continue sucking up water.


Sockadin, I would LOVE to try a floating tub, because it looks amazing. However, I live in Brooklyn. Even though my house has a decent city backyard, there are way too many neighbors, including the house that shares a driveway, and there is no fence between our two yards. I really think that outdoor mushrooms could get me into a lot of trouble. LMAO I think my compromise will have to be Meateah's Water Tub Tek.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26654537 - 05/07/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I can't believe it took sockadins suggestion for me to remember about bottom watering for I'm a huge advocate of it lol.

In any case I'm glad this has worked in your favour and with some time we should see them GTs produce a second flush. I cant speak for your FAE or RH but it's my understanding that one of the main things relevant to whether a cake will produce is not just the conditions but the nutrient and water reserves of the cakes themselves, so basically as you touched upon even given perfect conditions a cake still is unlikely to produce anything notable while its water reserve isn't sufficient enough to support the myceliums life and produce its fruit and vice versa for its nutrient reserve. In the same respect production can be affected when given bad conditions with sufficient reserves. By the sounds of what you say they did indeed need a drink and its potential they didn't have the water they needed in order to continue an effort to produce fruit. But as I say, that was my understanding.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26654559 - 05/07/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mycelium is very efficient at moving nutrients and water so all it needs is a little bottom hydration for the whole structure to rehydrate. Still want to mist to create the evaporation of the surface, but most of your flushes will probably come from the bottom of the cakes closest to the water.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26654568 - 05/07/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

From past reading the areas in which fruits will grow from are the borders of where bodies of mycelium meet and while I don't know for sure but this could indicate potential for them to grow in similar locations as before. Its also said to be preferable within pf tek to birth the cakes (or rather set them within the FC) the same side up as they were during colonisation.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: brindle foxx] * 1
    #26654856 - 05/07/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nice chart. Just use the cakes as your stepping stone for growing in bulk. Cakes suck barely enough to even test and keep for storage. Unless you got 80 cakes going which is silly.




That's just like, your opinion man.

Cakes can produce lots of fruits. . Go check out Fhats's cake log.



I’d rather knocc up a 5lb bag of oats instead of worrying about some cakes



not everyone wants that much or has space to do bulk.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Doc9151] * 2
    #26654877 - 05/07/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cakes can be just as fun as bulk too. Cakes are also a good way to test genetics with clone material and LC.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26655154 - 05/07/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

IDK, 1 jar of grain is less work than a single BRF cake, while also producing more.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
    #26655293 - 05/07/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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IDK, 1 jar of grain is less work than a single BRF cake, while also producing more.



I understand why you would go for bulk, but not everyone is comfortable with having weight in their house or only want what they can consume in one go, some even do it for the novelty of growing something different.


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