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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26652177 - 05/06/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Cakes last about 3-4 flushes typically. When they look shrivled AFTER dunking them, then its time to say goodbye to them.




I guess I'll see soon enough, because the cakes are definitely not shriveled, and there are some anemic pins and one tiny shroom. Since there is no sign of contamination that I can see, and the cakes don't look shriveled, there doesn't seem to be any harm leaving them in the two terrariums another week or two. As long as my closet isn't going to become infested with trich or other organisms, I might as well wait it out a bit more.

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MAN you have been flying blind from the start. RR videos can be a crutch, welcome to cultivation. And this is the internet so many people will tell you. "Do this,Do that"




This is kind of what I have been saying, to be honest. Nor was I asking for anyone to tell me what to do, but instead to offer suggestions based on much more experience than I currently have.

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Trust your gut,  like Bod said "Your eyes are the best tool." Or something like that. But I agree you are the only one who can make decisions and adjustments at this point. We are only here to tell you what has worked for us in the past.




Which is all I have ever asked of anyone here. Opinions based on in many cases vastly more knowledge and experience than I have. What I'm not quite sure I understand in this forum is the prevelence of people who are skittish about giving their opinions when I ask questions that don't necessarily have a definitive answer, but require some thought, and even speculation. Such as the fact that I have 24 cakes that are either stalled, resting, or done. Do you and some of the others in this thread honestly believe, for even a millisecond, that I am asking you to "tell me what to do" from the standpoint of expecting you to take on the responsibility of whether these cakes succeed or die? Like...what? I'm going to sue you or come to your house and beat you up if you tell me, say you think I should "wait another two weeks to see what happens," and I do it and nothing comes of it?

I don't know what kinds of jackasses n00bs you guys are all used to dealing with in this forum. Maybe you're all used so used to giving sage advice only to have people throw it in your faces when things go wrong, but you all seem so gun shy sometimes. lol As if offering advice, stated as an educated opinion, somehow makes you culpable if my project doesn't go exactly as I expect it to go based on what you said? I mean, come on. You don't know me all that well, but you have to know by now that I'm not that guy. I'm not looking for someone to blame if something goes wrong, or if, goddess forbid, I follow your advice and things don't turn out as expected. Do you honestly believe, based on literally ANYTHING I posted, that I would become hostile or belligerent if I ask advice, I am given advice, I follow said advice, and things don't go well? Let's be clear about this. I KNOW for a fact you guys aren't living in my house. I can describe my cakes, my flushes, my lack thereof, my SGFC's, my ambient temp and humidity, my cleanliness, and whatever else I am on about in that given moment. But, in the end, you aren't here, and even with pics, sometimes you simply can't tell what's truly going on.

I truly wish people here would stop treating me like I am one step away from both failing AND looking for someone to lash out at who generously gave me their time and advice, but it didn't work out as expected. Think of it like this: I go to a doctor. I'm a patient with little knowledge about anatomy, physiology, and pathology. Say I get a treatment plan for surgery from one guy, then I go for a second opinion, then even a third, as I did when I needed bilateral rotator cuff surgery. In the end, no matter how little I know, I am the one who has to make the decision, based on all the information I get from the various doctors. I see this forum as being a lot like that. I ask for advice, and what I'm hoping for is not a definitive promise or some contractual obligation that what you or someone else tells me will work out great for me 100% of the time, so that I get to blame you if my shit goes off the rails. Seriously, I wish people around here would stop treating my like a delicate flower, like I'm one very small step away from failing and ready to jump on you because you generously took time and energy out of your day to offer your opinion. I won't lie. It's really fucking frustrating to have to literally pull teeth around here, and state and restate, clarify and re-clarify ten times before I can tear your opinions out of you like I'm an interrogator and your my suspect. Look, if I ask advice and you really don't want to be bothered, for whatever reason, then fine, I can respect that. But please, for the love of everything holy, I wish people here would understand that, to me, to my perspective, when I ask questions like the ones I did in this thread, its because I don't have the experience to know the answers, and would like some opinions from people who presumably do have that experience I lack. This way, I can make a decision based on what little, paltry knowledge I have at the moment, combined with your much more knowledgeable answers.

Newsflash: I already know its my decision. I'm NOT expecting you or others to make that decision for me. Just offer opinions and advice, if you're willing, and when I sift through it all, I will make the decision myself, and the responsibility if things go off the rails will be mine, and mine alone, irrespective of your advice. Honestly, I feel like half the people in this forum believe I'm looking for someone to blame because I am abdicating my responsibility. Just be a good "doctor," give me your opinions (as you said, based on YOUR experience) and I will make my decision based on the round-robin or brain storming that message forums usually afford. Not to be an ass here, but I just hate that often I have to go 15 rounds with you guys before I can finally cajole you to say something like, "I would give it another week or two." You think I don't already know that you are only telling me what worked for you and others in the past, when in a situation like mine?


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26652186 - 05/06/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That was a long wall of text.

We gave you all advice we could based on the data we have. If you just posted some pics, we could definitely give you some better advice on what's happening to your cakes. But if all we know is "they've been doing nothing for X amount of time", we can't give you the answers.

You want some definite answers from some very vague data. Even looking at stuff with my own eyes, smelling and touching it, It's sometimes hard to say what's happening. And I won't tell you your cakes are bad or good because they've been stalled for I don't know how many days.

You're asking us if there's life after death and expecting us to answer like some kind of know-it-all messiahs.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned]
    #26652200 - 05/06/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That was a long wall of text.

We gave you all advice we could based on the data we have. If you just posted some pics, we could definitely give you some better advice on what's happening to your cakes. But if all we know is "they've been doing nothing for X amount of time", we can't give you the answers.




Sorry lol I thought I posted pics. I did say I would, but I remember I forgot. None of that was my point anyway.

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You want some definite answers from some very vague data. Even looking at stuff with my own eyes, smelling and touching it, It's sometimes hard to say what's happening. And I won't tell you your cakes are bad or good because they've been stalled for I don't know how many days.

You're asking us if there's life after death and expecting us to answer like some kind of know-it-all messiahs.




No, not at all. You're completely misinterpreting what I said. In fact, I said the complete opposite. But I will take some pics now and post them. Because I don't want to argue with you. I was looking for a bunch of people to chime in, nothing more, based on the info I was giving. But yeah, I will cop to forgetting to post the pics I promised to.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26652230 - 05/06/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Okay so here are the pics:

Pics 1 and 2 are both my larger 70 Qt SGFC, from the front and overhead, and pics 3 & 4 are the smaller 30 Qt SGFC from the side and overhead:






Edited by LSA Woodrose (05/06/20 05:34 AM)


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 3
    #26652244 - 05/06/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

those cakes look like you'll get another flush at least.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: woofwoof]
    #26652251 - 05/06/20 05:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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those cakes look like you'll get another flush at least.




Cool!

I decided to try a variation of what Sockadin suggested above last night. I fanned them for about 2 minutes, then left the covers completely off for about 2 hours to air the chambers out. I also waited until this morning to mist them again. Since some people say that water evaporating is a pinning trigger, I waited until this morning when I woke up, and then felt the cakes to make sure they were a little drier, but somewhat "damp" to the touch.

Those who say "your eyes are the best indicator" assume my eyes can actually tell, even with my reading glasses, what the moisture level is on my cakes. I can't. I never can. I have to actually feel them with my fingers. Because unless the cakes are water-logged, my eyes literally tell me nothing. Probably down to my inexperience.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26652280 - 05/06/20 06:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just remember, pinning is a slooooow process so it looks like nothing is happening but really the cakes are starting to pin for the next flush.

Another charactertistic of a "spent cake" is they look like the life has been sucked out of them, like drained of life. Like a lifeform that is no longer alive to put it another way.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26652286 - 05/06/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So Logical Chaos, do those cakes look at least marginally all right to your eyes as well? At least in so far as you could see from pictures, that is.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26652322 - 05/06/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They look healthy in the pictures to me, certainly think they got some mush producing power left in them. I found a huge indicator of my spent cakes was how light in weight they became, even if still healthy they could only spit out one or two small mushies after the 5/6th flush.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh] * 2
    #26652448 - 05/06/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Those cakes definitely look like they'll produce some more.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26652698 - 05/06/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Awesomeness! Hopefully the mycelium godesses shall find me worthy of a few more ounces of dried shrooms to add to my stockpile. Well, not just from these 24 cakes, but from the 5 BRF jars I currently have cooking, that should be ready to birth in a week'ish! :smile:

Thanks all!


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: poisoned] * 2
    #26652771 - 05/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Is there a reason that keeps your SGFC in the closet? It’s workable obviously but it can’t be optimal, and maybe you have stubborn cakes that are just waiting for freedom.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Roger Clemency] * 1
    #26652810 - 05/06/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is there a reason that keeps your SGFC in the closet? It’s workable obviously but it can’t be optimal, and maybe you have stubborn cakes that are just waiting for freedom.





I have a small apartment right now, and it just works out easier logistically to have them in the closet. It is a big closet, though, but I had the feeling it was sub-optimal. While I am not having anywhere near as many guests now, sometimes I have people over, and I prefer my shrooms be away from anyone seeing them. They would also be in the way wherever I could think to put them right now.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26652815 - 05/06/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Possible to just leave the doors or a door open?


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26652824 - 05/06/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I could try that, Htaeh, the only hitch being that I have a bright 6500K CFL in there and it makes the bedroom too bright with the doors open. Sometimes, especially now with Covid, I hang out in the bedroom, because it has my computer, and its own small home theater system.

But I think your advice makes sense and what I could do is leave the doors open the entire time that the lights are off. I have them on a 12 hour on/off timer. And also, if I am not working or doing something like streaming or PC gaming in the bedroom, then I could leave the doors open.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26652853 - 05/06/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would recommend bottom watering them at this point. They look good though. Like everyone else said you will get another flush.

After looking at the pictures I would recommend leaving the lid on it and continuing the fan and mist routine.

Bottom water FTW, where is That he got pictures somewhere of cakes being bottom watered I think.


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    #26652860 - 05/06/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like a good approach. Sockadin is absolutely right too, get some bottom feeding going!


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26652981 - 05/06/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OK thanks guys! I think I understand what it means to water something from the bottom, but I have no idea how to it apply to shrooms or these cakes. Are you saying that I take them off the tinfoil and put put them in little water bowls in the SGFCs or something?


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    #26652999 - 05/06/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The best way imo and easiest is get jar lids, wrap them in foil to form a shallow 'cake bowl' then put them in the fc and fill the bowl as needed. If there was still water in them after two days I'd replace it.


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Re: At What Point is it Time to Bail on BRF Cakes No Longer Fruiting? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26653009 - 05/06/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I understand you correctly, the cakes will actually be sitting on a little bit of water inside the jar lights, right? The only problem I’m gonna face is I have 24 cakes, and five of my 20 for 1/2 pint mason jars are occupied with cakes that are consolidating right now. So I’m gonna have to improvise something for the other five cakes, but your idea is definitely doable. Thanks!


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