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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26641284 - 05/01/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Roger Rabbit could use the cash anyway.
Is he all right? I'm not looking for juicy gossip or anything. But that sounds potentially cryptic.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26641294 - 05/01/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It was just a vague joke . I don't know what hes up to these days
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26641390 - 05/01/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: It was just a vague joke . I don't know what hes up to these days 
Ah ok lol.
Well, I watched the first 6 out of 16 of the videos. Just more or less trying to get what I can through visual and aural osmosis of some sort, since I'm not ready to start putting any of this stuff into practice just yet. In fact, I am about 90% sure that my next grow will be using BRF jars as my starting point. Still, they are incredibly interesting to watch, and so far I haven't seen anything that I wouldn't feel comfortable implementing, assuming I had the equipment, which I don't.
Hey, I have a question about the videos for anyone who has watched them. Did I miss something in the first 6 vids about inoculation of some sort? I am a little confused, since when I watched all the PF Tek videos, that are free, inoculation was a huge part of it, and he made a big deal out of it. But I have gone through the videos on Grain Preparation, Grain to Grain Transfer, Rye Grass Seed, Horse Manure, and Casing Layer Preparation. In addition to re-watching the first video, which was the 4 PF Tek vids on his site combined into one. At the end of some of these videos, with each Tek, he mentions that they are ready to start colonizing. I'm watching this, sitting there going, "Um...really? When, how, and using what medium did you inoculate or somehow get spores, liquid, or MS into the substrate? Was it magic? The Force?" I have a bit of a shitty attention span sometimes, but I can't imagine how in the hell I missed every instance of how he introduced mycelium, in one of its forms, into the mix. In the vids, one minute it seems like he's preparing the substrates, getting it into whatever jar or other container, and the next he's talking about what strain they are.
Hahaha what did I miss?
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26641532 - 05/01/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I don't know what hes up to these days 
Hopefully out riding his motorcycle living his best life!
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Tormato]
#26641632 - 05/01/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thatd be awesome. I hope he still grows occasionally.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26642587 - 05/02/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: It was just a vague joke . I don't know what hes up to these days 
Ah ok lol.
Well, I watched the first 6 out of 16 of the videos. Just more or less trying to get what I can through visual and aural osmosis of some sort, since I'm not ready to start putting any of this stuff into practice just yet. In fact, I am about 90% sure that my next grow will be using BRF jars as my starting point. Still, they are incredibly interesting to watch, and so far I haven't seen anything that I wouldn't feel comfortable implementing, assuming I had the equipment, which I don't.
Hey, I have a question about the videos for anyone who has watched them. Did I miss something in the first 6 vids about inoculation of some sort? I am a little confused, since when I watched all the PF Tek videos, that are free, inoculation was a huge part of it, and he made a big deal out of it. But I have gone through the videos on Grain Preparation, Grain to Grain Transfer, Rye Grass Seed, Horse Manure, and Casing Layer Preparation. In addition to re-watching the first video, which was the 4 PF Tek vids on his site combined into one. At the end of some of these videos, with each Tek, he mentions that they are ready to start colonizing. I'm watching this, sitting there going, "Um...really? When, how, and using what medium did you inoculate or somehow get spores, liquid, or MS into the substrate? Was it magic? The Force?" I have a bit of a shitty attention span sometimes, but I can't imagine how in the hell I missed every instance of how he introduced mycelium, in one of its forms, into the mix. In the vids, one minute it seems like he's preparing the substrates, getting it into whatever jar or other container, and the next he's talking about what strain they are.
Hahaha what did I miss?
That's the inoculation video: Inoculating Grain Masters with Agar Wedge
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned] 1
#26642934 - 05/02/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just came back to post this and say Bodhisatta is correct on spore deposits.
https://www.anbg.gov.au/fungi/spore-discharge-mushrooms.html
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26643182 - 05/02/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: That's the inoculation video: Inoculating Grain Masters with Agar Wedge
Ah okay, thank you, thank you!!
I actually had to stop watching the videos dead in my tracks yesterday. It was right at the end of video #6 of 16. Because I was feeling like I was watching a sequel without having seen the original movie, and had no idea what the hell was going on, because there was no recap or anything catching me up. So here's my first complaint about RogerRabbit's, and bear in mind, this is a complaint if, and only if, he was marketing to n00bs and not to more experienced growers who essentially already know you need something external to inoculate whatever substrate you're using. So my complaint is, you know what would have been nice? If he would have mentioned, even in passing, that he skipped one of the most important steps for the purposes of making the videos, BUT that inoculation, germination, and other good stuff would be mentioned LATER in a subsequent video.
You know how it looks to someone who knows NOTHING about growing? To someone who knows literally nothing I mean? The way those videos are structured, other than the PF Tek one I mean, it really looks as if all you have to to is prepare your substrate, stick it in big jars or trays, or whatever, and then a few weeks later, you have mushrooms! (Or at least are ready to fruit) From someone who is still a n00b myself, but having had some successful growing under my belt, I knew that mushrooms don't just grow spontaneously because you create a substrate, Which is why I asked the question. BUT I wouldn't have known that three months ago. You know what I would have thought watching these videos about grain, and horse manure, and whatever else? "Wow cool! I guess mushrooms are like mold. Just prepare the substrate and they will spontaneously appear. I guess if its good enough for mold, its good enough for shrooms, right?"
If you build it, they will fruit...
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26643230 - 05/02/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thank you
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: sedimalko]
#26643394 - 05/02/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, they aren't really linear, but I suppose you should watch them all before attempting anything. My bigger complain is that all teks are shown for flow hood, which isn't what most noobs have at home.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26643474 - 05/02/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: Yeah, they aren't really linear, but I suppose you should watch them all before attempting anything. My bigger complain is that all teks are shown for flow hood, which isn't what most noobs have at home.
Yeah, that really annoyed the crap out of me as well, but I forgot about it when I wrote the post above. I’m not buying a flow hood, I’m not building a flow hood. People who cultivate as hobbyists, or do it professionally, for sales, to supplement their income, or whatever, absolutely. It’s a business expense. Hell even hobbyists who like drones will spend $1500.00 for a higher end drone set up. Gamers like myself build $2500 computers to play the best games. I have pre-orders for the next generation Xbox and PlayStation, and I guarantee you that it’ll cost me more to pick those consuls up then it would to buy two flights. I have pre-orders for the next generation Xbox and PlayStation, and I guarantee you that it’ll cost me more to pick those consoles up then it would to buy two flow hoods. I spend massive amounts of money on my home theater system. But For those things, I’m a hobbyist. Hell, a couple years back I spent about 15 grand for a PA system and LED stage lighting, for a band that plays mostly bars LOL. I spent A small fortune on a $4000, carbon fiber, road bicycle. So I get it, I totally do. And I’m not insulting anybody who does buy equipment like this for growing.
Lots of people, myself included have something called GAS, which stands for gear addiction syndrome. People who are growing mushrooms as a serious hobby, will spend whatever it takes to get their operation up and running. But I’m not a hobbyist, and I’m certainly not a shrooms dealer. I started this because I would like to keep myself in a constant supply of personal use mushrooms. And only the magical variety.
So for me, it’s about spending as little money as possible, as little time as possible, once I learn the ropes of course. Then again, I have no aspirations to sell anything, ever. I like to trip, but I’m not a drug dealer. Not that I’m disparaging drug dealers LOL, I’ve got some of my best supplies over the course of my life from upstanding, good drug dealers! People selling shrooms in my opinion are doing God’s work. That’s just not me.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26647045 - 05/03/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I just finished watching 11 of 16 of the videos. To add to what Poisoned said, I have to laugh. After finishing that 11th RR vid, I wanted to check something, and I think that all 5 of the remaining videos use flow hoods and/or huge pressure cookers.
LMAO so I basically paid for the video series to find out, in my mycology education quest, that I need to stick with PF Tek, only PF Tek, PF Tek all day, PF Tek all night. Not a complaint...well, okay, a little bit of a complaint. But also a great learning experience. I'm glad I bought the video series, for great information, and as a thank you, because if it weren't for RogerRabbit's free videos, I would not be here talking about mushroom cultivation at all. But I did have to stop watching at 11 videos. But I won't lie. I feel a little left-out-in-the-cold after the 11 I watched. Oh well. I'll finish the series tomorrow or the next day, but for the foreseeable future, a flow hood and a good enough and large enough pressure cooker are a non starter, particularly with Covid 19, shelter in place crap, and with my income taking a node-dive, and still no stimulus check yet.
Thanks for nothing, President Twitter McPussyGrabber. 
I probably will try other fruiting Tek's, like Mateah's Water HC and/or his regular HC. As well as any other possible ways to fruit from BRF jars, which appear to be the ONLY substrate medium in my future.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26647165 - 05/03/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I know nothing about it but I think people have used those bags of instant rice as grain spawn, seemed to be huge on reddit.
I’m just assuming based on the little I’ve seen that the bags are sterile when you buy them and people just knock them up.
If that’s the case you could spawn it to bulk.
Really not much different from cakes I guess other than you could shake it up.
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#26647171 - 05/03/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you please do me a favor, if you don’t mind, and clarify what you just said a little bit? I understood about 30% of what you wrote in that post. LOL obviously not your fault, but my novice status in this hobby right now.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26647262 - 05/04/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You definitely won't go far without a pressure cooker, but a lot of people here work in a SAB. Flowhood is definitely not necessary, it's just a bit annoying teks are shown for a flowhood.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: poisoned]
#26647527 - 05/04/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: You definitely won't go far without a pressure cooker, but a lot of people here work in a SAB. Flowhood is definitely not necessary, it's just a bit annoying teks are shown for a flowhood.
I don't want to be coy with your answer, because you are making a very valid point. But I think there may be another way of looking at this. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, because you know a lot more than me, and I am not sure what "serviceable" equipment is for me, versus something more closely akin to a professional or hobbyist setup. I guess it might depend on what you mean by "go far?" I do take your point, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say "go far" are you referring to a person who is either an aspiring mycologist or perhaps a hobbyist? As an example, I am a gamer, I usually make similar statements about a person's gaming PC rig or an outdated console. But I often wonder, how "far" does a person want to go? But does a person who play a bunch of cool video games really need a rig that will allow them to max out all the settings, play everything in 4K at ultra high? Or would a real budget-gaming PC or last gen console actually be fine for the guy who just likes to play some games? Maybe even most people who dabble in gaming the way I dabble in shrooms?
Meaning, does this concept of going far apply to someone like me, if my only goal is to keep myself in party favors, in perpetuity, and I have absolutely no aspirations to ever sell or even trade my shrooms, as well as the fact that very, very few of my friends would trip even if I gave them some.
tl;dr - What if I never evolve and get better at this, and just do PF Tek once or twice a year? Its easy, simple, somewhat foolproof in its own way, and even with what most people would say were probably suspect MS syringes from a site sponsor, and with yields much lower than a lot of people are getting around here, I could keep myself in shrooms forever, and quite easily, even if I never evolve.
That said, I have seen the Presto 23 Quart pressure cooker for as low as $79.99 on sale, which is a real budget model compared with say The All American model. I could maybe, at some point, see myself investing in that.
As for the SAB, are you saying that all that stuff RR was doing in the video, like cloning, taking samples, Agar work, etc., can be done safely and effectively in the SAB I made about two months ago?
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose] 2
#26647566 - 05/04/20 06:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would say "go far" as in you're gonna be stuck just doing brf cakes and/or have limited success with further grows if you don't have a PC.
Get the Presto 23qt if you're serious about expanding your hobby involvement. It's reliable and affordable. 
If not....just stick to brf cakes.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: Tormato] 1
#26647596 - 05/04/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah of course cloning and agar can be done in a SAB, that’s the only reason you need one.
Try looking on Craigslist and thrift stores for pressure cookers once this lockdowns done. I got a presto on sale online for like 60 but I’m sure you could get one for 3 bucks at a thrift store or garage sale.
Definitely the most important thing.
Even an instant pot can work for small scale stuff.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26647680 - 05/04/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a hobbyists, I'm in no way a professional. I think there's another difference that you didn't mention: Do you want to be a hobbyist or do you want some mushrooms. If #1, go for that Presto. It's a good tool I'd recommend to any hobbyist. If you just want to have mushrooms for your consumption, but aren't interested in it as a hobby, PF tek is definitely the way to go.
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As for the SAB, are you saying that all that stuff RR was doing in the video, like cloning, taking samples, Agar work, etc., can be done safely and effectively in the SAB I made about two months ago?
Yes, definitely. But you'll need a PC for that.
You can also make it work with one of those smaller pressure cookers that are made for cooking, not canning. You can do everything that you can do with a bigger one, but you'll very quickly find out it's very limiting and you need to work around the small size all the time.
I'm in Europe and I paid more than twice as much for my Presto and looking back, it could be even more expensive and it would be still a very good investment. I'm not sure if it's worth spending money on AA as a hobbyist. Presto does the job well enough for us. I'm sure there's benefits to it for people who are in it professionally.
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Re: Weakness of SGFC? I May Have Found a Workaround [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26647779 - 05/04/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I bought a 23 at presto from the start and I love it. It was pricey but, "buy once, cry once". Even with it I have had problems with contamination, likely due to my inexperience though. I can't imagine trying to accomplish the same results starting with dirtier equipment.
The reason people say you won't get far with of tek is the work to yield ratio is lower. I was going to do the pf tek, but luckily (I see that now) I ordered from a crappy, untrusted, vendor and it too over a month for them to get here. So I had a lot of time to read and decided to skip pf entirely.
Also, canning food is easy and was pretty helpful during this pandemic. No soak jars of beans are awesome. My presto was 79 also right before corona. The "sale" is because they went up during the panic.
You can also check thrift stores. I just picked up a smaller pc that may hold about 3 jars for 5 bucks, 10 more has a new gasket headed my way. I'm actually using this one for food, but the opportunities are out there.
Good luck.
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