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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: Domno]
    #26648106 - 05/04/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So to be clear, if I did bucket tek, I could leave the unused in the bucket. Pull out a qt or two, close the bucket, and the rest of the coir would still be fine to do the same thing a few days or a week later?



Yes. I have some coir in a bucket that is 2 weeks old, just kept lid on till I spawned some shoeboxes.
Have not had any issues. 2 weeks is as long as I have went leaving it in the bucket with lid on


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: Domno]
    #26648340 - 05/04/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So to be clear, if I did bucket tek, I could leave the unused in the bucket. Pull out a qt or two, close the bucket, and the rest of the coir would still be fine to do the same thing a few days or a week later?




Yes, you could do this. Alternatively you could just cut the coir bricks into quarters and use it that way...


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: woofwoof]
    #26648343 - 05/04/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome. Problem solved. Problem staying solved.


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: woofwoof]
    #26648354 - 05/04/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

"Pasteurization is a critical step in the preparation of bulk substrate. Pasteurization involves heating a material to around 60-65*C (140-149*F) for a set amount of time, then allowing it to cool. This process differs from sterilization in that it doesn't kill all the microorganisms present; rather, it reduces the macrobial load, killing those microbes susceptible to temperatures of up to 65*C (149*F). The remaining microorganisms aren't detrimental to the growing mycelium , and actually have the beneficial effect of helping prevent problematic microbes from establishing before the mycelium has time to colonize and dominate the substrate." Quaesitor 2015

Nobody can properly maintain 140-149* for an hour in a bucket. Gotta use jars or bags in a pot on the stove.


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26648361 - 05/04/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But coir doesn't need to be properly pasteurized


I use hot tap water now, fuck it. Also the only reason I use it at high temp is because it breaks down the coir blocks faster and makes it easier to break up cause right now I'm doing it by hand. I need to get a concrete mixer soon.

If the spawn is clean the coir can be made with cold water and spawned with bum fingers (see below :lol:)

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Once your spawn jars are fully colonized, you can scratch your butt while you inoculate the coir if you want.





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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26648365 - 05/04/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Coir does not need to be pastuerized. We are not pastuerizing it in the bucket, simply using boiling water to prepare the coir, and heat treat it some so the mycelium has an easier time breaking it down.

Pasteurization kills the harmful bacteria that die at certain temps while the beneficial bacteria that can handle those temps survive. Coir has neither growing on it. That is why you can sterilize coir and still spawn to it in open air, where as you can't sterilize manure and use that in open air. You have to pastuerize manure. 

We actually are partially sterilizing the coir when we use boiling water to prepare it.


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: mushpunx]
    #26648384 - 05/04/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, I get what you're saying. The teks I follow include verm and gypsum. Maybe the verm requires the pasteurization step. Dunno, but I concede coir does not.


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26648430 - 05/04/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, I get what you're saying. The teks I follow include verm and gypsum. Maybe the verm requires the pasteurization step. Dunno, but I concede coir does not.




Verm or gypsum also don't require pasteurizing. People do it just fine with no heat at all... Thats not to say that sterilization/pasteurization is not beneficial in some way... it clearly changes the coir significantly (evident from the picture).


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Re: *Poll* Sterilized coir VS. "Bucket tek" [Re: InfraredRick] * 1
    #26649606 - 05/05/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, I get what you're saying. The teks I follow include verm and gypsum. Maybe the verm requires the pasteurization step. Dunno, but I concede coir does not.





Yeah verm doesn't need it either. I've pretty much stopped using verm in my coir unless I made it too wet, then I just add dry verm in until I hit field capacity


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