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Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip.
    #26641122 - 05/01/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm preparing for my first LSA trip using Morning glories, I've done alot of research and definitely know there is a decent amount of body load accompanied with it but I'm still willing to give it a try. Psychedelics have truly helped me through alot of my PTSD symptoms and Iam always willing to travel down different rabbit holes to find a deeper sense of self. Anyways some questions I have, what are some ways you have mentally prepared for any trip? If you have tripped off of LSA how was it?


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari]
    #26641466 - 05/01/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just make sure you are in a calm, collected mood in a safe, comfortable place.

How are you taking them? I recommend Cold Water Extractions.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26641712 - 05/01/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm doing a cold water extraction using distilled water and about 300 seeds, ground em put em in the water for about 4 hours, shaking every once in awhile and then I will strain to make sure no seed mush gets in the water.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari]
    #26641764 - 05/01/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Perfect! Make sure to do this in the dark. LSA is sensitive to light. If you have an amber glass jar, that would be most ideal.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26641901 - 05/01/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have a Mason jar for it and was wondering if I can cover it with a paperbag and put it in the fridge to keep it cold, would that work?


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari]
    #26643723 - 05/02/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that works fine. :thumbup:


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26644186 - 05/02/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just wanted to give a quick follow up, first off thank you for the advice, I did my CWE on the morning glories and then drank it, not a bad flavor at all. About an hour in I started to feel some effects and slight stomach cramping nothing bad though, 2 hours in im starting to get visuals and a a little nausea I took a dramamine which helped alot, 3 hours in was pretty much the peak. I felt awesome  super happy and relaxed I had some closed eye visuals too. Overall it was not a bad experience the pure bliss and safety that I felt was worth the nausea. Lastly after the peak the munchies set in hard I will say food tasted amazing! 🤙


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari]
    #26644352 - 05/02/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's awesome man! Glad you enjoyed it!

Also, try drinking ginger tea with fresh lemons some time in the trip. It should help with the stomach sickness.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari] * 1
    #26644383 - 05/02/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm doing a cold water extraction using distilled water and about 300 seeds, ground em put em in the water for about 4 hours, shaking every once in awhile and then I will strain to make sure no seed mush gets in the water.




I want to give you a suggestion for next time that has worked incredibly well for me for LSA water extraction. Instead of just immersing all that seed powder from your coffee grinder or Motar & Pestle, I empty out a few regular tea bags, carefully, pulling the staples off so as not to rip the bags. I use Lipton or whatever. I then funnel the seed powder into that. fold over the open ends of the bag, staple it together with the dunking string so that I now have a dunkable tea bag of LSA. Then obviously I immerse it in water, stick it in the fridge for however long, and drink.

No need for straining and all that pulp maybe not staying in the strainer. Its a little more work my way, but I have found it yields much better results than just tossing the powdered gunk into the cold water.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26644493 - 05/02/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thats awesome! So the resulting water doesnt have any powdered seed inside?


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26644644 - 05/02/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Logical, trace, negligible amount’s if you dunk the teabag a little too rigorously, and if you’ve powdered the seeds really really thin enough to get through the little holes in the teabag, which shouldn’t happen. I’m not saying you won’t get any seed powder at all, but you won’t notice it over the nasty taste of the woodrose/MG tea itself LOL my point is you’re not choking down a crap load of powder residue that got through whatever filter you used.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26644739 - 05/02/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I was definitely thinking about doing this the next time I try it I did use an extremely fine tea strainer but teabags sound alot easier to use. I've seen that some people put drops of lemon juice to help make the process faster. Thank you for the advice!


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    #26644959 - 05/03/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying LSA Woodrose :thumbup:

Yeah, it seems that Lemon oil would help in extracting.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: JC_Atari] * 1
    #26645000 - 05/03/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just make sure you are in a calm, collected mood in a safe, comfortable place.




:whathesaid:

Words to trip by!


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26645319 - 05/03/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks for clarifying LSA Woodrose :thumbup:

Yeah, it seems that Lemon oil would help in extracting.




I have put lemon juice in with the water. I also have tried taking a clove or two of garlic, sticking it into my garlic press to make it into pulp, and put that into the teabags. I have absolutely no idea if those things did anything more than cut the nasty taste of Woodros/MG seed tea. But I had good trips with both methods. Other times I have just been like "Fuck it!" and stuck 8 HBW seeds into my coffee grinder, powdered them up, and just choked down the powder, chasing it with a liter of water.

Honestly, with HBW seeds, they are so much more concentrated than MG, that sometimes I don't even bother with any kind of extraction. But MG seeds are a mess. lol Fun, but a mess. So my rule-o-thumb is if I want to trip on HBW seeds these days, I just eat the friggin' pulp. But with MG I do some sort of extraction because of the sheer volume of seed pulp.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26645766 - 05/03/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Huh, i see.

U dont get sick eating the raw powder of HBWR?


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26645991 - 05/03/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Huh, i see.

U dont get sick eating the raw powder of HBWR?




Nope, not anymore. Decades ago I used to get sick from eating the seeds. But that’s because I never concerned myself with how much food I was eating, and the timing of taking a dose with regard to the contents of my digestive system. Since I started tripping again which is pretty much three months ago, first with LSA and now with psilocybin, I don’t get sick at all. And I firmly believe it’s because I fast for between 8 to 16 hours before I take anything. I have a variety of scientific reasons why I believe this to be the case, but I can’t actually substantiate it with empiricism that proves anything other than my own anecdotal experience.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26646168 - 05/03/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very cool! So the secret is fasting. Very interesting. If you ever do a journal on this, I would love to read about it!


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646232 - 05/03/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm trying some HBWR seeds soon.  They were my second psychedelic, after shrooms.  It's been years since I've done anything.  Not a traditional psychedelic but if you smoke some you get a good headspace on the seeds.

One thing that comes in handy are some cheap coffee filters.  Can be used for straining these kinds of things, winterizing/clarifying cannabis tincture, and more.


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Re: Thoughts on preparing for a MG LSA trip. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26646713 - 05/03/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you're right, brother. Maybe I will do a self study journal on this. It may benefit people in our fine community. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Very cool! So the secret is fasting.




I believe it is. I actually believe it unequivocally. But the “intellectual honesty“ caveat is that I haven’t proved or verified this empirically. As I said above I think it’s based on pretty good science and since I am in the health field, I have studied physiology extensively. And I believe that there's a good basis to make the claim that fasting is the magic bullet for not getting sick on these drugs. But the problem is, that if I were to make that as some kind of a blanket statement, stating my arguably well-founded belief as fact, it would fail to account for the fact that everybody’s different. Some people have much more sensitive stomachs than others, for instance, and that’s just one possible variable. Getting that little impromptu disclaimer out-of-the-way, though, I am a firm believer in fasting as a universally healthy thing anyway. I use it to keep my body fat down, I use it to keep my muscle mass, I use it to keep myself in a very open, intellectual, emotional state, regardless of substances I am or LOL am not taking on that day. And if I dare say, I honestly believe that fasting, more specifically intermittent fasting, is, in many many ways, a silver bullet for health and fitness, that science is just beginning to agree with me on. Because I’ve been saying this for years.

But I highly recommend that anybody that’s healthy enough to handle a fast, of course with that proviso, that you try fasting for 10 to 16 hours before a trip that involves anything that might upset your stomach. I also think there’s a good scientific basis to make the claim that “vasoconstriction” which is what everybody complains about with substances like this, is only a factor when your upper GI tract is stuffed with food and is in the process of digesting and processing it. If your stomach and your duodenum portion of your small intestines (where the majority of digestion takes place, by the way) is empty of food, vasoconstriction, at least in my opinion won’t be an issue. Unless you’re talking  about an outright poison, which causes severe vasoconstriction, but that’s an emergency situation, not anything that you would be dealing with in terms of these types of substances. By the way, there is a way that you could cheat the system a little bit. If you eat your last meal at, say around 9 PM the day before a trip, and you force yourself not to have any snacks or meals after that. And say you go to bed without eating anymore, and wake up at eight 9 o’clock in the morning. There's a 12 hour fast right there! That works very well for me since I kind of like tripping in the early morning anyway. Just something to think about if fasting might not be something in your wheelhouse, or if you feel it might be a little arduous or burdensome.


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