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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: budmanman] 2
#26647147 - 05/03/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: budmanman]
#26647164 - 05/03/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not really the thread for what I believe we should have instead of capitalism but it's not communism. It's something people have a hard time wrapping their head around.
It's basically this, except altruistic motives instead of greed.
It's setting things up in a way that people really are the most productive they can be in society. And it starts with education.
Anyway my real bone to pick with capitalism is that it isn't what it claims to be.
Same with communism.
Though I think in both cases it's just because people are running things. We could set up things to my ideal and small changes over generations would degrade it to the point it's just a buzzword.
Likewise 0 socialism wouldn't work in our capitalism simply because people are uneducated and have been trained to be lazy and seek immediate gratification. They have no idea how business or logistics work so they can't make informed choices.
Shits gonna get real bad real fast if certain things collapse under the economic downturn because we're a few generations into having distant affiliations to reality where things don't magically appear and you can't just go find it at another location.
And we're addicted to everything being immediately available all the time. I mean people have assaulted McDonald's employees because they ran out of mcnuggets. Can you imagine these people dealing with genuine shortages?
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26647169 - 05/03/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shortages are coming, if the economy doesn't recover in 1.5 year I will feel the impacts.
I am immune for 1.5 year after that it can hit me, though worst case scenario I can get a min wage job or something and hobble along paying my mortgage and barely surviving.
I am 15 years paid down on a 30 year mortgage and did it in 4 years. It was suppose to be paid off in 5 years but the way things are going that's not gonna happen.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: budmanman] 1
#26647447 - 05/04/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Here is a conclusion for you, I had the virus it was a fucking mild cough lmao

Have you had a chest X-ray done to check for lung damage?
Even some asymptomatic people have lung damage.
Congratulations on having had it. Lets hope reinfection is not a thing, but it seems to be.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: Asante]
#26647597 - 05/04/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Here is a conclusion for you, I had the virus it was a fucking mild cough lmao

Have you had a chest X-ray done to check for lung damage?
Even some asymptomatic people have lung damage.
Congratulations on having had it. Lets hope reinfection is not a thing, but it seems to be.
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54% of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 showed remarkable findings upon imaging with CT. Recall that a fairly high percentage those that contracted SARS and survived went on to develop compromised lung function. Perhaps I am conflating two unrelated observations? Time will tell. I hope it is not the case.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: pslyke] 1
#26647626 - 05/04/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Here is a conclusion for you, I had the virus it was a fucking mild cough lmao

Have you had a chest X-ray done to check for lung damage?
Even some asymptomatic people have lung damage.
Congratulations on having had it. Lets hope reinfection is not a thing, but it seems to be.
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54% of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 showed remarkable findings upon imaging with CT. Recall that a fairly high percentage those that contracted SARS and survived went on to develop compromised lung function. Perhaps I am conflating two unrelated observations? Time will tell. I hope it is not the case.
My cousin who's 30 and healthy still can't breathe, now going on 7 weeks from infection. Blood O2 still in the COPD range, and not improving, dizziness while walking.
The doctors pretty much told her they don't have enough information to know if/when it will heal.
Considering budmanman just straight up makes things up and clearly only cares about promoting his agenda (despite facts and common sense), people likely shouldn't waste their energy on him with this topic.
As far as the OP, I'm happy to be living in a state that's actually taking this seriously and letting those who have actual education in public health/epidemiology, virology, and economics guide the decisions. The numbers are starting to go down, and we're, slowly, reopening non-essential services and businesses that make sense to open. The mayor/governor completely expect a second wave, but now that we have the medical infrastructure in place and are growing our PPE and medication supplies, we'll be in as good a place as possible to handle it as long as things are done gradually.
The states that are rushing things are likely screwing themselves over, on the obvious public health side and also on the economic side. They won't be paying out pandemic relief and unemployment to millions because things are technically allowed to be "open", even though business will be awful because the resurgence of the virus will cause panic and millions of people too sick to work or frequent these businesses. The whole "reopen" campaign will ultimately lead to a far larger money grabs by the elite, as they get a month or two without needing to pay into unemployment or hold up rent/mortgages, and then when the second wave is disastrous they can get another epic bailout, rinse repeat.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: feevers] 3
#26647748 - 05/04/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear that feevers but EXACTLY THIS.
People look at the presumed death rate and go "its not as bad as getting shot" but what they don't see is the larger number injured longterm.
Its like the Tokyo subway nerve gas attack, the body count wasnt that high but there was a large number of people that got lastingly injured by it, they just didnt fully make it back.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: Asante] 1
#26647768 - 05/04/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We've all seen the movies where there's a group of people stuck in a storm or a war zone or something, lost in the woods or stuck on an island, car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, etc.
The group usually comes to the conclusion that they're better off sticking together and waiting for help. But there's always that one guy that waits for like 20 minutes then starts panicking with the situation and the boredom of waiting, and decides to go against everyone's advice and go off alone to try to fix things.
Unfortunately a whole bunch of americans are that guy.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: feevers]
#26647783 - 05/04/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: feevers]
#26647786 - 05/04/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unfortunately a whole bunch of americans are that guy.
A whole lot of Dutch are too.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: Asante] 1
#26647812 - 05/04/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gun fatalities in 2017 just under 40,000
Coronavirus deaths so far in 2020 68,000
The US death toll will likely more than double annual shooting deaths.
And that's if we keep trying to some extent.
Even if a quarter is being misrepresented it's still far exceeding bad flus.
That being said yes some people get it and have mild symptoms. We have absolutely o idea what proportion though. It's assumed to be a majority just by the way it spreads but we really don't know.
And we're not getting a good breakdown of %s by age ect. We have 46 million people in this country who are over 65. Even if 90% of fatalities are in that age group that could still be an unimaginable amount of death.
Enough to break the healthcare system and incite human rights violations.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#26647819 - 05/04/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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  Imagine the people who say let the old and vulnerable fend for themselves...when they get older and if a similar event happens to them while they are geriatric. Bet they might take a different stance on things when it’s their ass that’s going to get sick and or debilitated and or die. Ass under your fire usually rouses the sleeping ones.
I get all sides to this pandemic, and I really believe the gov. Botched the response, leading to inappropriate announcements and measures that helped to impact the schism in different demographics regarding the virus and response to it on a national scale.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26647841 - 05/04/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Won't even need to be an event, the GOP is trying to use the pandemic to try and finally gut medicare and social security https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26647740
If the elderly lose that income and healthcare, every day could become a national health crisis for them
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: feevers]
#26647853 - 05/04/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It would be ironic if the first great depression started those things and the 2nd ended them.
Both are already kinda shit though. The problem with these programs isn't that they give people money, it's usually that they're wildly inefficient.
Also I agree that our response could have been a lot better but the initial shutdown was necessary. To get people and especially business to take it seriously if nothing else.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26647904 - 05/04/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is a part of my COVID prep:

As you see a book closet got its books cleared out and used as a food storage closet. The plastic milk containers appropriated to 0.625 gallon storage containers, the white ones hold whey protein, the orange ones, red lentils. Inbetween a tray of tuna, instant mashed potato, milk powder, lots of tomato concentrate and sugar/additive free applesauce portions.
White and blue vats on the left are rice. Yeah, Basmati rice is clearly my staple.
On the right, 4 8 gallon vats, a 4 gallon vat and a tall freezer I got in january for the purpose of the COVID prep. Freezer's got lots of fish, meat and vegs especially, the 4gal vat holds whole egg powder, the 4 vats of 8 gal are for oatmeal, freeze dried vegetable mix and lentils.
This is just a part of the prep, but shows what you can do on just a small floorspace.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: feevers] 2
#26647973 - 05/04/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Imagine the people who say let the old and vulnerable fend for themselves...when they get older and if a similar event happens to them while they are geriatric. Bet they might take a different stance on things..
Won't even need to be an event, the GOP is trying to use the pandemic to try and finally gut medicare and social security https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26647740
If the elderly lose that income and healthcare, every day could become a national health crisis for them
I’ve known those programs would suffer for the past 15-20 years, that plus the debt of the US eventually coming to a head. I suppose now is a good time to finagle things under the cover of covid. It’s only natural that someone’s crunched the numbers and saw an easy part time immediate yet short term solution to a lot of the aforementioned woe of those programs and the debt.

P.s. Asante, what’s in the pinkish jugs at the bottom shelf? Long term premade shelf stable strawberry milk That would be awesome.
Pp. I want to be a sexy hyper doomsday prepper with all those underground luxury bunkers and shit
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26648014 - 05/04/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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P.s. Asante, what’s in the pinkish jugs at the bottom shelf? Long term premade shelf stable strawberry milk That would be awesome.
What the jugs are are 2.4 liter = 0.625 gallon milk jugs. They are disposable, but foodgrade plastic,k airtight, bugproof.
Whats IN them:
No strawberry milk, its dried red lentils., works great for macaroni, rice, grains, sugar etc too.

Its a legume that can be cooked alongside rice and has 22% protein and lots of fibre. If you cook 2 parts white rice +1 part red lentils you get a complete protein and good fiber and nutrients.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: Asante]
#26648398 - 05/04/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Here is a conclusion for you, I had the virus it was a fucking mild cough lmao

Have you had a chest X-ray done to check for lung damage?
Even some asymptomatic people have lung damage.
Congratulations on having had it. Lets hope reinfection is not a thing, but it seems to be.
There is no known reinfections yet. Some people have tested positive again and at this point it looks like false negatives then a positive, or residual RNA from broken up viruses still in the body, the tests can't tell the difference between live and dead viruses.
Basic virology is that you catch a virus, you make anti bodies to defeat the virus and then for an amount of time which with this virus is still to be determined, you keep creating anti bodies, you can expect at a very minimum 4 months of immunity after.
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: pslyke]
#26648408 - 05/04/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Here is a conclusion for you, I had the virus it was a fucking mild cough lmao

Have you had a chest X-ray done to check for lung damage?
Even some asymptomatic people have lung damage.
Congratulations on having had it. Lets hope reinfection is not a thing, but it seems to be.
Link
54% of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 showed remarkable findings upon imaging with CT. Recall that a fairly high percentage those that contracted SARS and survived went on to develop compromised lung function. Perhaps I am conflating two unrelated observations? Time will tell. I hope it is not the case.
DAmn that's cray, I mean viruses attack and kill cells and they can see something?
Here is the flu doing the exact same thing to the lungs
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3097804/
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Re: Quarantine: stick with the program! [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26648418 - 05/04/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Gun fatalities in 2017 just under 40,000
Coronavirus deaths so far in 2020 68,000
The US death toll will likely more than double annual shooting deaths.
And that's if we keep trying to some extent.
Even if a quarter is being misrepresented it's still far exceeding bad flus.
That being said yes some people get it and have mild symptoms. We have absolutely o idea what proportion though. It's assumed to be a majority just by the way it spreads but we really don't know.
And we're not getting a good breakdown of %s by age ect. We have 46 million people in this country who are over 65. Even if 90% of fatalities are in that age group that could still be an unimaginable amount of death.
Enough to break the healthcare system and incite human rights violations.
Flu has a vaccine and herd immunity from people catching it, it mutates though enough to slip by and make us sick but even then we have partial immunity and get less sick because our body gets to recognize it and fight it faster.
We also have effective medicines and treatments for people who get really ill from it.
Despite this it still kills lots of people.
This virus has no vaccine no known real effective treatment, and the ones we do think work everyone thinks people shouldn't do cause orange man said something about it.
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