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Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks
    #26646441 - 05/03/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hello and thanks for peaking over here. So before I give it a go I want to make sure I'm not going to make a mistake and inaccurately dose myself. I'm planning on trying MAOI+DMT combo.

It seems the threshold dose when weighing your DMT has been debated quite a bit. I have seen people say start at 20mg of DMT for your first time, others say 60mg of DMT, this just seems like to big of a gap? Where do I draw the line, what is a good dosage for a gentle first time?

I followed Cybs Salt Tek with good results. My question here is, the final product is nn-dmt correct? I was told to convert my nn-dmt to dmt-fumerate if I wanted to ingest it with an MAOI

After reading around it seems the best and most reliable way to aquire MAOI extracts is to make them yourself, and it seems the caapi vine is the recommended source as well. I still need to find a good tek and dosage information for this as well.

Thanks for help and time ya lovelys.


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Blipstir]
    #26646525 - 05/03/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have no experience & very little info in this, but are you sure you’re not conflating smoking and oral doses? If in doubt, always start small and  work your way up. Or get a sitter and just “too much too much too much...” it up.

Fumarate salts are generally more stable for storage. If you dose in combo  with any acidic drink, you will make it an active DMT salt in vivo (for example: with orange juice, you get DMT-citrate).

I’m sure Caapi is fine, but Syrian rue is also a great and easy to get source of MAOI. I’ll see if I can dig up the tek for that...


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: dizzy_simmons]
    #26646531 - 05/03/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here it is: The Tao of Rue Extraction

Also, extraction isn’t necessary with Syrian rue if you can stomach the seeds.


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: dizzy_simmons] * 1
    #26646862 - 05/03/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you want to skip extracting the harmalas, you should be able to find some harmaline-hcl or harmine-hcl on ebay. It's legal to buy. Dosage is typically 200mg harmalas. DMT fumarate is about 30% heavier than the freebase. I usually dose 120mg dmt-fumarate, but most others are fine with less. Sometimes I need more :shrug: Your stomach fullness is probably the biggest factor. If I take it as a dessert, it takes hours to kick in and is much weaker than if I took it while fasting.

Have a great time! It's such an amazing experience. Don't be afraid to go deep with it, I don't think there's really any dangerous side effects from high doses. The intensity can be anything from a social acid trip to visuals so lucid that you can forget who you are and become your wildest imagination. (like a dream)


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Icon]
    #26647312 - 05/04/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

start lower, especially if its fumarate salts. the salt form, in my experience, is much more bioavailable for the body than the freebase form. found that out the hard way when i dosed that the first time in the same amount as freebase and got skyrocketed, despite the salt form being 30% heavier. >,o

if you want gentle i'd probably start on the lower end of 40-60 mg or so - 100-120 mg is considered fairly heavy, though some people consider 60 to be heavy for them. it varies wildly by person. for me 200 mg is a fairly stupidly heavy dose for the salt form, as i discovered to my woe. (but not freebase. lol.)

salt form is a bit easier on the stomach too, though DMT seems fairly rough on my guts regardless... until the come up is over at least. after the first half hour or so the nausea immediately is gone for the rest of the trip, unlike mescaline which tends to linger.


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Psion]
    #26647503 - 05/04/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I turn my freebase dmt into the acetate salt by dissolving it in a shotglass with lukewarm water and a splash of white cooking vinegar, right before I dose.
I take 200mg of pure harmalas 30min before I drink the dmt shot.

30mg of dmt is enough for me to get floored like 5g of shrooms. 50mg is very heavy, and 80mg is so much that I cannot open my eyes anymore and lay down in fetal position unable to open my eyes, move, think, say a word , .. or three full hours.
For me. Everyone reacts differently. Some people need 100mg or more to even feel it slightly.

For extracting harmalas, check out the link in my signature. It's pretty much the same procedure as the TAO of rue, though. Just another writeup with pictures.

You can buy isolated pure harmalas via internet. Even some shroomery vendors carry it, but these are located in europe and shipping to the US might take some days.

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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Icon]
    #26647615 - 05/04/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icon said:
If you want to skip extracting the harmalas, you should be able to find some harmaline-hcl or harmine-hcl on ebay. It's legal to buy. Dosage is typically 200mg harmalas. DMT fumarate is about 30% heavier than the freebase. I usually dose 120mg dmt-fumarate, but most others are fine with less. Sometimes I need more :shrug: Your stomach fullness is probably the biggest factor. If I take it as a dessert, it takes hours to kick in and is much weaker than if I took it while fasting.

Have a great time! It's such an amazing experience. Don't be afraid to go deep with it, I don't think there's really any dangerous side effects from high doses. The intensity can be anything from a social acid trip to visuals so lucid that you can forget who you are and become your wildest imagination. (like a dream)




That is by far the most efficient way to do this, and to dose accurately with harmalines.  This so much.  People need to know.  Works with mushrooms too.  Extracted from Syrian rue is where a lot of it comes from.  Harma extract + psilocybin fungi = a whole other dimension to the mushroom trip. , potentiates and synergies.  And Some people use the harma alone.


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26651915 - 05/05/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

wow only 30mg has you feeling like 5gs of mushrooms? I think I might try like 15mg for the first time in that case. Thanks for all the feed back.


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Re: Questions about DMT and MAOI extraction teks [Re: Blipstir]
    #26652439 - 05/06/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Vaped dmt vs eaten mushrooms are kind of a bad comparison.  They’re a little like apples and oranges as far as delivery go.  Sort of like a sprint vs a marathon.


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