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Thanatos10
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It's not my fault people don't have a solid argument against solipsism. Attacking the premises doesn't invalidate the argument.
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I have an argument against solipsism. Language
How do you acquire new information and where does it come from? And if everything is just a reference point to something else then how is it we were able to experience things for "the first time" in life. I.e. "first words", where did those words come from, how do you know what they meant and what gave those words meaning to you. If your first words had no meaning and you were just mimicking sounds, over time you began to establish meaning for those sounds. How did you come to the conclusion that certain sounds mean certain things?
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Envix] 2
#26646427 - 05/03/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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... and so Thanatos hijacked the thread with his solipsism. It is like the plague, or coronavirus this thing.
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Envix]
#26646430 - 05/03/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Envix]
#26646484 - 05/03/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: I have an argument against solipsism. Language
How do you acquire new information and where does it come from? And if everything is just a reference point to something else then how is it we were able to experience things for "the first time" in life. I.e. "first words", where did those words come from, how do you know what they meant and what gave those words meaning to you. If your first words had no meaning and you were just mimicking sounds, over time you began to establish meaning for those sounds. How did you come to the conclusion that certain sounds mean certain things?
Language isn't a conclusive argument against solipsism because even though Wittgenstein makes that argument that a private language is silly it's still not a conclusive point against it. A private language can still exist and it doesn't make the existence of other people any more likely.
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Okay I'll go with you on the private language bit. But it doesnt answer my main question. The purpose of language is to assign and decypher meaning. A coding process. But in order to assign and decode value or meaning, it has to be assimilated. You are the receiver, but an augmentation of information occurs between the stimulus and the target.
My question is; that augmentation can only be possible if there is a divergence in the transmition, and mistranslation results from pretty much every conversation you have with a perceived other, to varying degrees. This suggest that your private language cant be used to accurately determine anything, let alone everything. We each grow up in our own private language box, which is built on our perception of what we assume is the "universal language box" when reality it is indeed just our private language box.
"Lost in translation" is an accurate way to describe this happening. If there were true solipsism then there WOULDNT be such miscommunication and chaos in language. The fact that we CANNOT understand each other is valid evidence to the notion that there are unknown vantage points we cannot currently know, and probably never will. Those vantage points existing in other places in time and space, perhaps even another universe, those which you perceive as "other people"
Paradoxically, our "aloneness" could actually hold the key to the notion that we are not alone
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InnerWisdom said: ... and so Thanatos hijacked the thread with his solipsism. It is like the plague, or coronavirus this thing.
Unlike coronavirus, Chloroquine DOES cure solipsism.
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Asante]
#26646617 - 05/03/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: Okay I'll go with you on the private language bit. But it doesnt answer my main question. The purpose of language is to assign and decypher meaning. A coding process. But in order to assign and decode value or meaning, it has to be assimilated. You are the receiver, but an augmentation of information occurs between the stimulus and the target.
My question is; that augmentation can only be possible if there is a divergence in the transmition, and mistranslation results from pretty much every conversation you have with a perceived other, to varying degrees. This suggest that your private language cant be used to accurately determine anything, let alone everything. We each grow up in our own private language box, which is built on our perception of what we assume is the "universal language box" when reality it is indeed just our private language box.
"Lost in translation" is an accurate way to describe this happening. If there were true solipsism then there WOULDNT be such miscommunication and chaos in language. The fact that we CANNOT understand each other is valid evidence to the notion that there are unknown vantage points we cannot currently know, and probably never will. Those vantage points existing in other places in time and space, perhaps even another universe, those which you perceive as "other people"
Paradoxically, our "aloneness" could actually hold the key to the notion that we are not alone
But then the solipsist would argue that they don’t need to understand other “languages” since the subconscious locks away much of that knowledge to create the appearance of not knowing things. In a sense it’s like self hobbling almost. Again you are assuming the existence of others when they can’t be verified. In the case of language it’s your subconscious that’s holding back information from. You about “other languages”.
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InnerWisdom said: ... and so Thanatos hijacked the thread with his solipsism. It is like the plague, or coronavirus this thing.
Unlike coronavirus, Chloroquine DOES cure solipsism.
All you could do with solipsism is argue with an unprovable premise with that Lone God nonsense
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Asante]
#26646785 - 05/03/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally i think solipsism is real and its just on a loop forever. We born and we die, at different points in time and space, over and over. We think we see and perceive other people but its just me in another timeline
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What if there is ample evidence to designate them not a human? Or you already know what they are going to say before they say it?
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Asante]
#26647026 - 05/03/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: Its over your head because you only see your own point of view.
Or maybe because it is nonsense based on little more than the ravings of people on drugs
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Envix]
#26647465 - 05/04/20 04:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: Personally i think solipsism is real and its just on a loop forever. We born and we die, at different points in time and space, over and over. We think we see and perceive other people but its just me in another timeline
I believe essentially the same. All Is One, You Are That. Everything has consciousness and its all you, but you at the most you is the multiverse entirely.
I've asked God and he says its so, that His experience is entirely internal, entirely cyclical and neverending. He says that that he encompasses all that can be encompassed in his realm and that it thus might be there is more than that, but also that nowhere in eternity that other reality is encountered, so in effect God encompasses all and nothing external intersects with it.
He does insist its all you and that being a God is anything but the claustrophobia of nihilist solipsism.
"Being everything forever is enough. It is ecstatic." He insists.
And that's all YOU, you're evolving up to becoming the Multiverse and after that, fragment yourself into a zillion pieces and start over, quite happy with it all. "Because I can fragment myself from the highest back to the lowest I have infinite growth potential. Unity shattering into Duality, too, is a step forward, so the cycle is nothing but an upward spiral even though its all cast in stone, on my level. "
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Re: @Thanatos10 [Re: Envix]
#26647696 - 05/04/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: I only ignore the users with porn avatars cuz i think it is gauche
You know you can hide an avatar without ignoring the person, right?
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Envix said: I still love thanatos. Our bond cannot be broken
I guess I just have a deeper understanding of what it means to love someone. Trust me when I say - I still love Thanatos, too.
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#26647746 - 05/04/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sometimes when you love someone you have to let them go..
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#26647752 - 05/04/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: I only ignore the users with porn avatars cuz i think it is gauche
You know you can hide an avatar without ignoring the person, right?
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Envix said: I still love thanatos. Our bond cannot be broken
I guess I just have a deeper understanding of what it means to love someone. Trust me when I say - I still love Thanatos, too.
Yes. Our loves another kind A love where if baby hurt me or no hurt me is all love.
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Letting Thanatos10 go is not an option.
Smack him facefirst into rock bottom so he can start the journey back up yes, but never give up.
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