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Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers?
    #2664564 - 05/11/04 07:53 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Should they be punished? If so, how severely?

What about the people who were complicit and allowed it to happen, but did not participate?

What about the senior officers that knew about, and encouraged it?


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664806 - 05/11/04 08:44 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

nobody has an opinion on this?


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664827 - 05/11/04 08:48 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Tried, on all three counts. The severity depends on what they were involved in; If it's a matter of stacking up naked people and humiliating people, a year or so in prison. If someone died in interrogation or if a rape occured, the soldiers should be tried for those crimes and punished accordingly. This applies to both those who directly participated and those who encouraged.

The general in charge of the prison should resign or be fired; same for Rumsfeld.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664833 - 05/11/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

court martial
court martial
court martial

it's pretty cut and dry.

what other alternatives are there, really?


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: afoaf]
    #2664843 - 05/11/04 08:51 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

What does "court martial" mean exactly?


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664856 - 05/11/04 08:53 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

tried in military court. I don't really know how that differs from civilian court, though.
But, they get due process; If they did wrong, hopefully they get convicted and punished. If nobody gets punished, or if all the blame falls on the six enlisted men so far charged, then there's a big problem with the system.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664891 - 05/11/04 08:59 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

military court, military sentence, military prison.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: afoaf]
    #2664898 - 05/11/04 09:01 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Military how long a sentance?


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2664970 - 05/11/04 09:18 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

depends on the crime.

just like darkie jail.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2667071 - 05/12/04 04:00 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

i think they should be given a pshych eval and removed from service with a general or pshych discharge depending on the findings of the eval just as they wouldve been if it were not made such a big deal of. but i dont think they should be punished any more or less because some people want to make this a bigger issue than it is. these people in the photos are killers. they are trying to kill our soldiers every day. the ones in the photos were taken from the cell block where we held the worst of the worst. they were not innocent as some would have you believe but true evil. if it is true that some prisoners were murdered which is under investigation then i would agree that they should face real punishment but i dont know that i would throw away for life the offender. maybe like two years hard labor. if you think thats week i submit that a mother in texas recently bashed the heads of her three children in with a rock two died one lived but is for all extensive puporses dead to the world. shee got off scott free.
but a guy in california does the same thing and californians want the death penalty for him. what ever happened to equal punishment for equal crime. but thats another issue.
i am sorry to see that i am the only one who will defend our soldiers. but in reallity this is not that big a deal.
i can tell you why there were pictures. the army makes rock videos with them to boost moral of the troops. you can think i'm full of shit but i have seen. my friends wife showed me two of them with footage i have never seen and wasnt supposed to. it consisted of a bunch of bombing runs in afghanistan where you could see the heat signatures of enemy combatants on the ground and then bombs dropping on them set to ac/dc hells bells. it was the coolest thing ive ever seen. when the bombs dropped the heat signatures spread like cockroaches when you turn the light on. there were a few others as well but this one was the most profound.
i also saw the coplete rescue footage of jessica lynch. and you wouldve seen how fucking terrified this girl was. you wouldnt be worried about how we treated them. a captain who was also a doctor stood beside her and explained what was goin on she responded and then there was gunfire outside and mortar rounds and man she screamed like a baby girl. i am almost in tears thinking about it now and i'm a heartlees prick. but if you wouldve seen that you would think differently.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2667150 - 05/12/04 04:18 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

They're just scapegoats. All armies do this all the time and people should know that before they support the next war.
I would punish those who mislead the public that this war is going to be a humanitary intervention.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: zeronio]
    #2667174 - 05/12/04 04:22 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

and while i disagree with you on the war i do thank you for not joining the screaming masses calling for their heads. but we can agree to disagree i am not going to change your way of thinking and your not going to change mine but you have restored my faith in this board. thank you.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2667605 - 05/12/04 08:18 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

I don't agree that I can't make you change your mind. :devil:

My opinion on war & army is based on the fact that in all parts in all major conflicts commited such attrocities. Those who beleived that US army is immune were very naive.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2667902 - 05/12/04 10:40 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

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these people in the photos are killers. they are trying to kill our soldiers every day.


The fact that you said something as blatantly stupid as this discounts any future statements you may bring to the discussion. We are all stupider for reading this, you are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Skikid16]
    #2668024 - 05/12/04 11:56 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

again with the flamin
sir you would have to be a jackass to think that they werent. good day.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2668039 - 05/12/04 12:01 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

a jackass beaing a creautre that you can load down with all the crap you wasnt and they just carry it without qeustioning. im going to have to ask how you know they werent killers what do you base this on. i think what you said was the dumbest damn thing ive seen in a while
if you would like to join the bandwagon and try to pick on me arm youself with a brain first.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2668044 - 05/12/04 12:03 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

typos.. typos.. typos..


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2668151 - 05/12/04 12:51 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

First let me start out by saying that you probably don't know my sarcasm, I'm sorry if my last post came across as a flame. Allow me to explain.... you said about the prisoners :
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these people in the photos are killers. they are trying to kill our soldiers every day. the ones in the photos were taken from the cell block where we held the worst of the worst. they were not innocent as some would have you believe but true evil


I just find it ironic that you would call them killer for trying to kill our killers. What is the reason they are "true evil" (as opposed to false evil, or semi evil?) ? Your post just seems a bit right-wing-propagandish.


Oh yeah, the fact that you said watching the heat signature video was "it was the coolest thing ive ever seen. " is disturbing. I've seen some of those videos, although its impressive, there's also something really fucked up about watching a death.

Hope that clarifies.


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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: Skikid16]
    #2668251 - 05/12/04 01:14 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Oh yeah, the fact that you said watching the heat signature video was "it was the coolest thing ive ever seen. " is disturbing. I've seen some of those videos, although its impressive, there's also something really fucked up about watching a death

you sir are correct in that. i never said i wasnt fucked up. i said i am a heartless prick. i also call myself crazyfucker. so there would have to be some sort of mental unballance. that i do not deny.

I just find it ironic that you would call them killer for trying to kill our killers. What is the reason they are "true evil" (as opposed to false evil, or semi evil?) ? Your post just seems a bit right-wing-propagandish.

agaian you are probably right but i get my news the same way you do i just get it from a number of sources and base my view on issues by weighing both sides and then mix that with a little of my own personal beliefss. sure its fun to throw stones at the govt. but some of us have to have a little faith in what we are doing over there.
and i am probably what you would call right wing. i moved my familly to the middle of nowhere to sheild them from the shitstorm that is the real world. it is a world that i want no part of. i homeschool my children. bake my own bread make my own beer grow my own mushrooms havent grown pot yet but i have a farm now and will get right on it. i dont pay taxes. and i sit around the house and play playstation and smoke weed all day. i actually watch fox news or at least i did until they cut my illegal sattelite. i also watched msnbc equally. cnn on the other hand is just plain garbage or fluff. i make my own clothes do my own auto repairs i own an AK-47 a Colt .45 and several other guns. i load my own ammo for about 9 different calibers. i can make flechette rounds. so yeah after reading what i just wrote i am probably a little more right wing than i first though. cudos to you sir.
i am glad however that yopu corrected youself and sorry for the jackass thing but if you come at me like that i respond in kind if you are reasonable like your last post. we can talk cordially about our differences all day.
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Re: Appropriate action on abusive American soldiers? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
    #2668315 - 05/12/04 01:36 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Just curious, why do you think they are "pure evil" ? Is it because they are tried to kill our soldiers?

As to your mini-bio, you sound like a walking contradiction:

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you support the government's decision to go to war
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sure its fun to throw stones at the govt. but some of us have to have a little faith in what we are doing over there.




..but you don't pay for it, like the rest of us dumb shmucks have to
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i dont pay taxes




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you feel you can provide a better education than the state can
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i homeschool my children.




is that before or after you
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sit around the house and play playstation and smoke weed all day




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I appreciate your independence from trivial goods that the rest of us poor saps are slave to
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bake my own bread make my own beer grow my own mushrooms. i make my own clothes do my own auto repairs .




but again I ask how can you do all this while finding time in your full schedule of
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