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mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content
    #26642590 - 05/02/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello ti all, in new in this forum.
I have two questions:

1) it happened to me every time I did the whole cycle, making the substrate and inoculating them with the technical PF, to have mushrooms as a result without or almost without active principle. why is it due? the temperature and growth conditions were the same as others made through purchased kits, which came very well.

2) is it normal for the various flushes that I have collected, to have less and less active ingredient content? the first normal flush, the second light and the third almost absent.

let me know if I'm wrong and what I'm wrong thanks.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26642612 - 05/02/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My bet is on your drying process


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: poisoned]
    #26642687 - 05/02/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

no that's not the problem. I also tried them fresh. and anyway it is evident already from the harvest, when the blue streaks are formed, that the mushrooms have come well.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26642705 - 05/02/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Even tho bruising is related to psilocin/psilocibyn, it's not an indication of potency.

It's weird that your mushrooms are consistently impotent. Can you share some pics with us?


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: poisoned]
    #26643118 - 05/02/20 08:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have any photos right now, but I don't think sending photos can help. the mushrooms are the same as those that come with the kits, but smaller.

could a low content of active ingredients be low temperature and growth? around 19/20 ° C

by the way these crops have now been cloned. I'm doing the spores next


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26643160 - 05/02/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

so you asked for help - a guy offered 2 points of assistance, and you discounted both of them. and you wont help with pics that were asked for to try to further help you.

good luck.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: poisoned]
    #26643176 - 05/02/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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poisoned said:
My bet is on your drying process




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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26643206 - 05/02/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

sorry I didn't mean to sound rude. now I send you a photo. however I was only asking what are the factors that can lead to this result.




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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26643219 - 05/02/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Being grown in poor condition and getting a poor result is the reason. You cant expect good results when you didn't get good results.

The sad mushroom in the left picture is something most people would just toss out.

Don't do anything the same way next time is a step in the right direction. What you're doing doesn't work. So stop it. Find good directions


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro] * 1
    #26643260 - 05/02/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

spagrio its all good.

just please read and study the TEKS - especially BODs :smile:

and fanks, and eats, and pastys, and munchausen, and all of them.

pick one. STICK TO IT EXACTLY.

you WILL have success.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26643271 - 05/02/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s probably not the best idea to clone a super weak mushroom either. Maybe if it was weak from just poor conditions it’ll be ok but a lot has gotta be genetic also.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: A.k.a]
    #26644747 - 05/02/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you weighing them? If you're just looking at them and saying this looks about the amount I had last time it can lead you astray. That's especially true if they're not getting completely dried. Density and water content can vary.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26644770 - 05/02/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Spagiro said:





Why does this mushroom look half dried?  How are you determining potency and weight exactly?  And since you disregarded the drying method question, I must insist, how ARE you drying them?


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Inocuole]
    #26645133 - 05/03/20 03:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'll add to everything else that's been said and ask about whatever meds your on and the conditions under which you ate the mushrooms. If you're eating some and then sampling the next batch then it's entirely possible that tolerance has effected your experience.

I think you take the responses that you've gotten to mean that you've got a lot variables at play and a lot of experienced people that are willing to help. Ultimately though, it's down to you to do the work to start eliminating those variables.

Welcome to the Shroomery, it's worth your while to stick around.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Ignorantape]
    #26645325 - 05/03/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I ate it fresh to make this test, because they already seemed to me of little power to observe them, about 9 grams fresh. The rest I dried them in the air.

it's not a problem of tolerance, I spend 5 days a week at least between one test and another. I used pf Tek. I made the loquid cultures by cloning a mushroom from the second flush of a Mexican kit.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26645333 - 05/03/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhhhhh.

You need to do it right that's why you're having problems.

9g fresh of poorly grown mushrooms aint going to do shit.

And you're not in any position to be making liquid culture


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26645358 - 05/03/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ya thats not even 1 dry dram. u need to really eat 35 fresh or 3.5 dried to even have a medium level experience. however if you were growing pans that would b a decent amount to try out. mushrooms are like 90+ percent water so its usually a safe bet to multiply by 10 to get a good fresh weight from what u would want dried. or vice versa


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26645388 - 05/03/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Some people have a bit of a stronger tolerance too. I can eat 50g fresh and barely feel anything. Where as someone on 15g fresh might freak out.

Really comes down to have often you dose, stomach contents, and even your genetics/digestive system.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: Spagiro]
    #26645484 - 05/03/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It seems to me like you skiped few very important steps in learing about this hobby, you are talking about cloning and LC while fruiting kits, i dont wanna sound rude but you gave yourself to much of a head start.. print those mushs from kit and start learning about agar work, after you did successful grow from your clean MS dish, you can pick a good clone. And by then you will be able to make every single LC work

Also air drying is shit, buy dehidrator, its same importanat as PC if you ask me. Thats your problem.
Fresh shroom is 90% water sometimes even more, so u ate 0.9, try triple that amout of fresh next time.


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Re: mushrooms grown from spores or cloned with very low active ingredient content [Re: nix21] * 1
    #26645501 - 05/03/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Air drying could definitely burn potency.


I rarely get shrooms that dry to ten percent.

Normally I assume 100g wet will be like 7-8g dry.


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