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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26646013 - 05/03/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If your argument is just that philosophizing is stupid then why are you even in this thread?


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26646032 - 05/03/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is Creativity not limitless? Are dreams not Creative? (non-Prophetic ones of course). You're like the first Shroomerite to mention Solipism, at least as I can remember, does that not show the Creativity of Humans is unbounded?

Consciousness is infinite in nature because it has no limit. It can keep expanding forever given enough time.




Creativity isn’t limitless it’s just variations on a theme. Dreams aren’t creative either since they are based on previous experience. Solipsism isn’t creativity either and it’s not unbounded. It’s actually limited and rooted in the limits of our perception.





Dreams may be based on experience, but the dream itself is unique onto itself. Each dream is unique to the person and their Personal experience. No two people will the exact same dream. That variation in the theme of dreams is limitless as there is an infinite ways to live life. Imagine a person who lives by themselves in the woods with zero interactions. Will they have the same dreams as you have? Of course not.

Solipsism was made with creativity because it takes a creative mind to think abstractly about reality and the basis of what is Real. Creative thinking created Solipsism just like Creative Thinking came up with Simulation Theory, Solipsism's High-Tech Brother. :nerd:


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646059 - 05/03/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is Creativity not limitless? Are dreams not Creative? (non-Prophetic ones of course). You're like the first Shroomerite to mention Solipism, at least as I can remember, does that not show the Creativity of Humans is unbounded?

Consciousness is infinite in nature because it has no limit. It can keep expanding forever given enough time.




Creativity isn’t limitless it’s just variations on a theme. Dreams aren’t creative either since they are based on previous experience. Solipsism isn’t creativity either and it’s not unbounded. It’s actually limited and rooted in the limits of our perception.





Dreams may be based on experience, but the dream itself is unique onto itself. Each dream is unique to the person and their Personal experience. No two people will the exact same dream. That variation in the theme of dreams is limitless as there is an infinite ways to live life. Imagine a person who lives by themselves in the woods with zero interactions. Will they have the same dreams as you have? Of course not.

Solipsism was made with creativity because it takes a creative mind to think abstractly about reality and the basis of what is Real. Creative thinking created Solipsism just like Creative Thinking came up with Simulation Theory, Solipsism's High-Tech Brother. :nerd:




What a gross misunderstanding of solipsism. Creative thinking didn’t create solipsism, rather it’s reductive thinking since it cuts out A LOT  of things

Also that just proves how limited dreams are since they are still based on experience, hence they are limited.

Creativity is limited to what is on hand and prior experience.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26646066 - 05/03/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's ironic cause Solipism is a misunderstanding of reality because it cannot prove itself, so its self-canceling. All scientific evidence presented is nullified by the basic premise of Solipism.

If you move to a new country and start speaking a new language, that changes everything. You could do this the rest of your life, adding limitless creativity to your life and dreams. Is that not boundless? Do you think you could visit every city in the entire world if you tried (assuming you had the limitless money).


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646081 - 05/03/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That's ironic cause Solipism is a misunderstanding of reality because it cannot prove itself, so its self-canceling. All scientific evidence presented is nullified by the basic premise of Solipism.

If you move to a new country and start speaking a new language, that changes everything. You could do this the rest of your life, adding limitless creativity to your life and dreams. Is that not boundless? Do you think you could visit every city in the entire world if you tried (assuming you had the limitless money).




It’s not self cancelling, if that were the case then every claim would be so since everything is ultimately based on unprovable axioms.

Your second sentence is also incorrect. Moving to a new country would change nothing, a new language is just referring to the same things. It’s NOT limitless, there is no such thing as limitless. It’s a nice dream but not reality.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26646085 - 05/03/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Languagesdoes not refer to the SAME thing, there is no such thing as perfect translation. Its more like a high-approximation. If you learned a foreign language, you would realize this.

Take "Aloha" for example. It has several meanings such as "Love", "Hello", "Goodbye", "Positivity". Its a multi-layerd word of Hawaiian. Aloha is unique onto itself and is an example of the limitless nature of Language and new meanings can be created all the time. Look at how new technology creates new words. That's just an example of the limitless potential of both Technology and Language.

You gotta think huge timescales. Like thousands of years or more.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646111 - 05/03/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey thanatos10 why is 1234go ignoring you? What happened to all the love?:frown:


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646139 - 05/03/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Languagesdoes not refer to the SAME thing, there is no such thing as perfect translation. Its more like a high-approximation. If you learned a foreign language, you would realize this.

Take "Aloha" for example. It has several meanings such as "Love", "Hello", "Goodbye", "Positivity". Its a multi-layerd word of Hawaiian. Aloha is unique onto itself and is an example of the limitless nature of Language and new meanings can be created all the time. Look at how new technology creates new words. That's just an example of the limitless potential of both Technology and Language.

You gotta think huge timescales. Like thousands of years or more.




Incorrect again.

It’s still a greeting and new technology is based on existing ideas. You’re only proving my point about how limited creativity is. Someone who doesn’t know the things we know is very limited in regards to what they can do.

As I said before there is no such thing as limitless


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26646151 - 05/03/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

One could argue true progress is not reached until one hits said limit(which humanity has done time and again):shrug:


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26646164 - 05/03/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Astromers say the Universe itself could be limitless. Have you seen photos of the Hubble Deep Field?

https://www.spacetelescope.org/science/deep_fields/

Those are all galaxies bro....very far away. Scientists don't even know if there is an ending to it.

If the Universe is Limitless, why wouldn't Creativity be as well?


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646245 - 05/03/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Astromers say the Universe itself could be limitless. Have you seen photos of the Hubble Deep Field?

https://www.spacetelescope.org/science/deep_fields/

Those are all galaxies bro....very far away. Scientists don't even know if there is an ending to it.

If the Universe is Limitless, why wouldn't Creativity be as well?



They don’t say it is, just that it could be.

Also it’s a false equivalence between the universe and creativity, I just showed how limited creativity truly is. It’s not limitless.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan's Boofed Shroomz Theory) [Re: madmodder]
    #26646901 - 05/03/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26646908 - 05/03/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Including Solipism, which is part of it as well. If sensation-processing information cannot be trusted, then nothing can, thoughts included.



Finally.  Can’t wait to see mental gymnastics that a certain someone will have to use to comprehend this and their view simultaneously.:popcorn:


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26646927 - 05/03/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The relative and the absolute, or two truths, and three fundamental states or bodies, is a renowned doctrine in Buddhism.  And then there is Maha Ati, that ties it all in together.  Sounds to me like Dylan’s theory is a version of or iteration of that.  It’s a a clever system for understanding things, and does it well enough, despite its shortcomings.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: madmodder]
    #26647143 - 05/03/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: madmodder]
    #26647365 - 05/04/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In a universe where there is no life, is there only 2 planes of reality since there is no thought?


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: madmodder]
    #26647430 - 05/04/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but then you have the problem of the 'if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a noise?' thing. It's safe to say that a universe with no life and no potential for life might as well not really 'exist' in the first place.


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26648011 - 05/04/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah but then you have the problem of the 'if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a noise?' thing. It's safe to say that a universe with no life and no potential for life might as well not really 'exist' in the first place.



I don't agree, that seems very human-centric :shrug:

Now you got me watching tree falling sound videos :lol:


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Re: The 3 Planes of Reality (Near Dylan Theory) [Re: madmodder]
    #26648122 - 05/04/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I heard a tree fall on my neighbors property last week.  It was cool, yo.


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