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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: oculodextro]
    #26644131 - 05/02/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The trial I linked to was literally called "Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc With Either Azithromycin or Doxycycline for Treatment of COVID-19"

What is the purpose of an antibiotic?



Viral respiratory infections from COVID-19 often leads to bacterial pneumonia.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26644134 - 05/02/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Where in the article did it say Corsi had anything to do with the trial?  A direct quote from the article would be nice.



I said the trial YOU POSTED has nothing to do with the ARTICLE.



Except that it DID.  Do you know where I found the trial I posted?  From Corsi himself.

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You just posted some random trial and have spent the past two pages using your completely non germane post to frustrate any attempt to have a conversation about the facts in the article. It’s a sleazy tactic you employ all the fucking time. It’s trolling at its worst and I have no idea why you continue to get away with it.



Because some people argue with logic rather than emotions.  See the link above.



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Where in the article did it say Corsi had anything to do with the trial?  A direct quote from the article would be nice.



I said the trial YOU POSTED has nothing to do with the ARTICLE.



Except that it DID.  Do you know where I found the trial I posted?  From Corsi himself.

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You just posted some random trial and have spent the past two pages using your completely non germane post to frustrate any attempt to have a conversation about the facts in the article. It’s a sleazy tactic you employ all the fucking time. It’s trolling at its worst and I have no idea why you continue to get away with it.



Because some people argue with logic rather than emotions.  See the link above.




You just spent two pages arguing that Corsi has nothing to do with the trial. Wtf dude?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26644138 - 05/02/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's exactly correct.  Corsi had nothing to do with the trial other than mentioning it.  Corsi's name had no reason to be on the trial paperwork.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26644149 - 05/02/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He was being investigated for promoting it. How can you claim he had nothing to do with it


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26644165 - 05/02/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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He was being investigated for promoting it. How can you claim he had nothing to do with it



Which takes us right back to my original question:

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Do you have evidence that he is actually being investigated for fraud, as you said?  Your article only said he "may have" emailed evidence of coronavirus related fraud (though I have no idea what that fraud would have been about).




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26644178 - 05/02/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26644202 - 05/02/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That was an inquiry in Dr Zelenko, not Jerome Corsi as Kryptos had claimed.

Thanks for helping me prove Kryptos wrong.  :thumbup:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26644224 - 05/02/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Source or make believe?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26644273 - 05/02/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-investigates-doctor-pushing-questionable-coronavirus-treatments-after-accidental-email-2020-5

You KNOW by now that I ALWAYS can prove my claims:

Now, do you have evidence that Corsi is being investigated for fraud, as Cryptos claimed?


By the way, I'm still waiting for proof of about 20 other claims you made today, oh great King of Make Believe.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26644317 - 05/02/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Corsi wasn’t being investigated for fraud. He was partipating in an investigation against the doctor


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26644338 - 05/02/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Corsi wasn’t being investigated for fraud.



Thank you koods!

Kryptos, do you now see that your original claim that "Jerome Corsi... is now being investigated for fraud" is bogus?  Even koods says so.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26644360 - 05/02/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The trial I linked to was literally called "Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc With Either Azithromycin or Doxycycline for Treatment of COVID-19"

What is the purpose of an antibiotic?



Viral respiratory infections from COVID-19 often leads to bacterial pneumonia.




My doctor has proscribed antibiotics when cold symptoms lingered for a long time for that reason. Viral can turn into something bacterial, she said.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26646582 - 05/03/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Mike Pompeo wtf?

Is this another WMD moment?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26646605 - 05/03/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Pompeo is the most shameless member of the administration aside from Trump and Conway


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26646649 - 05/03/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't add up?
Even though his own intelligence agency have said it wasn't man made,
and the list of existing zoonotic disease's read like a horror movie,
they are adamant it came from a lab and they can't share the evidence.

Also, it's a bit rich backing the WHO investigating China after cutting the funding.

Aus government are still rightly funding the WHO, as well as calmly asking wtf happened, which is a fair question.

We have 100 times more to loose than the U.S by pissing China off.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26646666 - 05/03/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Antibiotics are never used as prophylactic measures except before surgery.

So anyone recommending antibiotics for a viral disease needs to go back to med school or science 101.

Now I understand giving an antibiotic if someone develops a pneumonia, but in this case, it would be a viral pneumonia.

"Treatment
In cases of viral pneumonia where influenza A or B are thought to be causative agents, patients who are seen within 48 hours of symptom onset may benefit from treatment with oseltamivir or zanamivir. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) has no direct acting treatments, but ribavirin in indicated for severe cases. Herpes simplex virus and varicella-zoster virus infections are usually treated with aciclovir, whilst ganciclovir is used to treat cytomegalovirus. There is no known efficacious treatment for pneumonia caused by SARS coronavirus, MERS coronavirus, adenovirus, hantavirus, or parainfluenza. Care is largely supportive. "

Look at that antivirals for viruses. Don't try and talk medicine if you don't even have the background for it.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: oculodextro]
    #26646790 - 05/03/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not as many, but some doctors still prescribe antibiotics for minor respitory ailments that are either viral or allergies, because a lot of antibiotics act as anti inflammatories.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: falcon] * 1
    #26646799 - 05/03/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: oculodextro] * 1
    #26646810 - 05/03/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I understand giving an antibiotic if someone develops a pneumonia, but in this case, it would be a viral pneumonia.



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Death usually results from respiratory failure following pneumonia, which is either caused directly by the virus or caused by secondary infection by opportunistic bacteria.  Indeed, the majority of deaths associated with the great Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1918–1919 were caused not by the influenza virus alone, but by bacterial pneumonia following the initial viral infection.




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26647017 - 05/03/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I understand giving an antibiotic if someone develops a pneumonia, but in this case, it would be a viral pneumonia.



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Death usually results from respiratory failure following pneumonia, which is either caused directly by the virus or caused by secondary infection by opportunistic bacteria.  Indeed, the majority of deaths associated with the great Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1918–1919 were caused not by the influenza virus alone, but by bacterial pneumonia following the initial viral infection.







Ok, but we still don't use antibiotics on a prophylactic basis. Clinicians that do are directly going to cause antibiotic resistance.

If you develop a secondary infection that gets treated once diagnosed.

We're talking about a viral disease with no anti-virals available for it.

How much virology and microbiology have you taken?


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