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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643653 - 05/02/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ten years ago was when I stopped due to personal reasons. Recently started growing again and things have changed quite a bit, but I didn't think a casing layer was considered a band aid. It's to provide a suitable microclimate for primordia to form in, I thought that's just the way it's done and always got better flushes with one. Is that no longer the norm?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: DrFabulous0]
    #26643681 - 05/02/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Ten years ago was when I stopped due to personal reasons. Recently started growing again and things have changed quite a bit, but I didn't think a casing layer was considered a band aid. It's to provide a suitable microclimate for primordia to form in, I thought that's just the way it's done and always got better flushes with one. Is that no longer the norm?



If anything casing layers for cubes are more accepted than they used to be. Used to get flamed for talking about casing cubes lmao.
It's not considered a bandaid I say that because if you learn to maintain surface conditions you will get the same great flush as with a casing, and I always thought it was better to learn a skill to achieve the same goal. In that way casing in a bandaid to achieve a better flush. Idk just my point of view.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643724 - 05/02/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, I sharpen knives as another hobby.

Suppose you could relate it to sharpening a knife with a jig vs. learning free hand techniques.

Similar results, two approaches.

Which is better?

The one you enjoy and the one you have access to - my 2 cents

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I would add that you learn a lot more from the latter though. And its fun to challenge yourself to pick up a new skill.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: RyeHumor]
    #26643733 - 05/02/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmm, I sharpen knives as another hobby.

Suppose you could relate it to sharpening a knife with a jig vs. learning free hand techniques.

Similar results, two approaches.

Which is better?

The one you enjoy and the one you have access to - my 2 cents



Well I'd say jig to get the angle perfect or set the angle and free hand to maintain. This is just my thinking but a skill is always more useful that a tool a tool can easily be lost or taken away a skill is for the most part permanent.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643748 - 05/02/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do people here have specialized harvesting tools? I've used tiny nail scissors for a long time, but I'm thinking about trying something more efficient. Hard to harvest good, dense flushes without damaging the other mushrooms when you have to fit your hand with a horizontal tool in between the shroom you're harvesting and the neighbouring shroom.

Thinking about using a long scalpel blade modified with pliers to bend at a 90 degree angle from the handle, to be able to cut the base off the shrooms without messing too much with the nearby shrooms.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643755 - 05/02/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have extra coir from Bods bucket tek in a tote. Can I properly hydrate and use again? Is there anything else I should do to ensure success?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian]
    #26643757 - 05/02/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Float your sub and attack it with a knife.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: shrooms400]
    #26643759 - 05/02/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I have extra coir from Bods bucket tek in a tote. Can I properly hydrate and use again? Is there anything else I should do to ensure success?



Yes, you can. If you feel sketched, rehydrate with boiling water again, but you shouldn't need to.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian]
    #26643763 - 05/02/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I just use a sharp knife to cut them all off at once but if I need to harvest a flush a different times I'll either just cut the cap off the mature ones and let the other mature or I'll do the old twist and pull.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: poisoned]
    #26643768 - 05/02/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Float your sub and attack it with a knife.



doesn't work at the moment, i use tubs with holes drilled in them. the water will just drain away, i meant to specify that in my last post but forgot it. also a huge waste of water...

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian]
    #26643771 - 05/02/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That’s funny you mentioned that.

I always have used a scalpel to harvest and recently was doing SAB stuff and after torching the blade accidentally jammed it into the side of the SAB and bent it almost 90 degrees.

I left it and forgot and a few days later grabbed it to harvest and it worked pretty well.

I’d still rather use a new blade cuz I’ve gotten pretty good at angling and cutting in thick tubs and a hooked blade wouldn’t work for removing big clusters.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643773 - 05/02/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

what kinda knife? like a chef's knife? i want something that doesn't have to cut the shrroms at an angle, but i don't want to do twist and pull as it's such a nuisance having to clean all the substrate off of the shrooms.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian]
    #26643775 - 05/02/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Float your sub and attack it with a knife.



doesn't work at the moment, i use tubs with holes drilled in them. the water will just drain away, i meant to specify that in my last post but forgot it. also a huge waste of water...



Lay the tub on its side and slide the sub out sideways that's how so do it with modified minis usually have to take the stuffing out though on atleast one side.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian] * 1
    #26643779 - 05/02/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you use a scalpel or xacto you can usually harvest the whole thing without cutting stumps at weird angles but you have to start at a corner and kinda strategically cut them down. I always use a liner so I can lift the sub out to harvest which makes it way easier, especially being able to spin the sub around to work at it from any side.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26643780 - 05/02/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That’s funny you mentioned that.

I always have used a scalpel to harvest and recently was doing SAB stuff and after torching the blade accidentally jammed it into the side of the SAB and bent it almost 90 degrees.

I left it and forgot and a few days later grabbed it to harvest and it worked pretty well.

I’d still rather use a new blade cuz I’ve gotten pretty good at angling and cutting in thick tubs and a hooked blade wouldn’t work for removing big clusters.



i don't care about intact clusters, i've never been able to keep them intact when harvesting with scissors either, so it won't be a downgrade. Probably the angle you have to cut at with a knife/straight scalpel doesn't matter too much regarding the final dry weight, but for some reason i like my shrooms to be harvested with a flat rather than angled base...

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643781 - 05/02/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Chefs knife is what I use you need to keep it sharp af or it will just pull the mushrooms up out of the sub instead of cutting cleanly.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1] * 2
    #26643788 - 05/02/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

xacto is painfully slow imo. Just get a big ass chefs knife and sharpen it so that it's so sharp that it will cut you if you look at it wrong. Then slide sub out and cut entire flush of in like 30 seconds lmao.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643790 - 05/02/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you use a scalpel or xacto you can usually harvest the whole thing without cutting stumps at weird angles but you have to start at a corner and kinda strategically cut them down. I always use a liner so I can lift the sub out to harvest which makes it way easier, especially being able to spin the sub around to work at it from any side.




All right, seems like the easiest method, will just work a bit on my scalpel technique then. Do you guys use the same scalpel blade as for cutting agar or do you have a separate one for harvesting?

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Lay the tub on its side and slide the sub out sideways that's how so do it with modified minis usually have to take the stuffing out though on atleast one side.




I'll try that once my cultures are strong enough! Thus far I've not even been able to lift the sub using the liner without the sub at least partially breaking...

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: gizmo1]
    #26643792 - 05/02/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, use Xactos for agar only.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PMBastian]
    #26643795 - 05/02/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Lay the tub on its side and slide the sub out sideways that's how so do it with modified minis usually have to take the stuffing out though on atleast one side.




I'll try that once my cultures are strong enough! Thus far I've not even been able to lift the sub using the liner without the sub at least partially breaking...



You're quoting the wrong person :lol:


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