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morality findings
    #26642907 - 05/02/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would just share my findings

I found that one gets it worse from dying

this is not a mainstream idea

or a common idea

but it like happened to me

maybe it should be taught in schools

I think understanding things like that is important

I think it is important for your life and for how you are to others

don't you more want to be with an angel and hero than a tyrant

+ people on the earth

and on the world

should become absolutely clear about the very very good things

like mushroom trips

if mushrooms are good and better than school

and if meditation is

and yoga and making art

it should be in schools or like the teachings should be


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Re: morality findings [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26643072 - 05/02/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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+ people on the earth

and on the world

should become absolutely clear about the very very good things






It's human nature to act contrary to our accepted principles.
That's why 'Forgiveness' is central to our mental well-being.
Yea, even the triple-homicidal maniac gets another chance.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26643205 - 05/02/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

@ Ferdinando;

To be moral is to be fully alive:
I think you have to review your findings and look not at death which is always too simple, a word - a moment out of context, not to mention grief - unavoidable grief.

Focus on life, and living systems (the garden), and find there that death is not death, but don't dwell on it - too easy to drift into non-moral meanings (error), logical extrapolations (error), and self importance (error). what we really do not know, we do not know.

If death comes knocking on your door, if it is part of your life, look at life and share that with your family.


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Re: morality findings [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26643555 - 05/02/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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...not to mention grief - unavoidable grief.






France, I think, defends acts borne out of extreme emotion; acts that wouldn't customarily exist between adults. Like the F-word, an emotionally charged expletive that I don't see much of around here. In France then I expect expletives are frequent in speech.

Women, I think, might defend the customary use of emotional outbursts (and their resulting physical actions) as minor infringements in inter-personal relations. Perhaps women would stoop to using emotional states as a customary (and forgivable) excuse for a violent act.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26645004 - 05/03/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Where does morality originate from, and who's deciding what's moral, and why is that valid (not trolling getting brains cranking!)?

Great post OP!


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Re: morality findings [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26645159 - 05/03/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Where does morality originate from, and who's deciding what's moral, and why is that valid




If I may...

Cognizance of alternate realities, peculiar to the 'Three Ring Circus' analogy, is culminative.

There's more than one way to arrive at culminative knowledge and I admire your forthright determination to uncover the 'Secret'.

"Why the 'Secret'?" you may ask, and the culminative approach may provide different answers, one of which may deal with the necessity of automation in the technological paradigm; Yes, we need cogs in the production-line to maintain our standard of living; so you might agree that we are all on the 'Shake-And-Bake' path to 'Enlightenment'


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I'm runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me
Workin' on a mystery, goin' wherever it leads

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Re: morality findings [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26645192 - 05/03/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:
Where does morality originate from, and who's deciding what's moral, and why is that valid (not trolling getting brains cranking!)?

Great post OP!




Genetically predisposed to morality, and with some cultural/societal/familial-tribal reinforcement a paradigm is formed in which to set parameters/guidelines as well as to further understand, condition, cultivate and navigate that predisposition by interactions/relationships to things in the world.

It’s can be seen as worthy trait in the firstly and for so long in it’s various forms because it is beneficial to our species in terms of its ability to ensure an adaptive or skillful means of interacting and relating within our species and outside of it in a way that increases survival.


Edited by The Blind Ass (05/03/20 04:32 AM)


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Re: morality findings [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26645910 - 05/03/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:
Where does morality originate from, and who's deciding what's moral, and why is that valid (not trolling getting brains cranking!)?

Great post OP!




As far as deciding what’s moral and why it’s valid suggests it’s a social thing and not simply a personal determination.  So society must decide then what and why it is moral.  What is the best way to do this?  Some say democracy or the stumbling and bumbling majority because surely they know best.  But as Spock it may be wrong.  Maybe monarchy just a singular fragment dictating to the sheep.  Personally I want to believe that there is a better way to respect the individual yet maintain the group simultaneously.  But I have said this before, “the group” is not a real thing, only made up of individuals interacting with one another.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26646118 - 05/03/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

morality is the concept of (minimum 3 moves ahead) chess board quid pro quo logic of human interaction in a society.

it can be taught to children and explained to adults, while it is usually observed in sustainable activities of the culture.

for non-sustainable activities the morality is not that clear to all parties and we often revert to monkeys fighting in the trees.

or we can be better than that and participate in new experiences without fighting.


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Re: morality findings [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26647533 - 05/04/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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morality is the concept... of human interaction in a society.

it can be taught to children and explained to adults, while it is usually observed in sustainable activities of the culture.





Sustainability of culture pertains to the particular ring of the circus we find ourselves in. Evidently (to me) reputation can determine the divisions between cultures. Mindfulness then could make a difference between which society, or ring, we are headed for.


'Jack & Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water' Jack's ring may consist of habitual deceivers, and Jill's of murder. Mindfulness of one's hesitancy to commit to a culture may be the deciding factor in the attributes we generate in our society.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26647569 - 05/04/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In that context an interface with A.I. could assist me with avoiding actions that would compromise my personal preferences.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26647580 - 05/04/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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...Evidently (to me) reputation can determine the divisions between cultures. Mindfulness then could make a difference between which society, or ring, we are headed for.
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When society is fragmented, then morality is broken. sure an AI would be better able to fake it and fit in across various factions, but that subverts the honesty factor that makes morality worth pursuing (as opposed to customs and the formalities of diplomacy).
reputation is a commodity that distorts frameworks, like gravity distorts space and time).


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Re: morality findings [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26647668 - 05/04/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A sufficiently advanced AI, I imagine, would display or could display near perfect Political Correctness, but I don’t see how it could be moral.

It may look, act, talk in a way that mimics moral wholesomeness, but it’s like many politicians in that aspect - just an empty appearance.


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Re: morality findings [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26647710 - 05/04/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Genesis 4:10 "We know what you did last summer"
An A.I interface might anticipate a compromising situation.


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Re: morality findings [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26647738 - 05/04/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:eek:


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Re: morality findings [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26648342 - 05/04/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I appreciate Jonathan Haidt's perspective - that moral reasoning is a skill we evolved to further our social agendas, to justify our own actions, and to defend the teams we belong to. Morals bind us but also blind us - we can't imagine morals that differ from our own. And we often discard others morals by labeling them as evil.


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Re: morality findings [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26648357 - 05/04/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

ah, propaganda


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Re: morality findings [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26648363 - 05/04/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's another word for "evil"  :smile:


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Re: morality findings [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26648388 - 05/04/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’m not going to pretend like every moral compass is equal.  Most are blind to murder as an acceptable practice even if they could away with it.


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    #26648530 - 05/04/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That's another word for "evil"  :smile:



or entertainment.


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