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Who is your favourite philosopher?
#26642348 - 05/01/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm curious who your favourite philosopher or philosophers are..?
And why they stand out to you..
Socratic method..
Nietzchies philosophy about eternity.. overman etc..
Kantian theories on morals and categorical imperative.
Anselms proof of God
John Locke and social contract..
Jesus Christ.. proof of the power of giving..
And finally The Buddha on over coming the trappings of matter and existence..
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26642390 - 05/01/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’ve read literally none of the above unless you count going to church a few times or browsing Socrates. Nevertheless I’d go with Kierkegaard, McKenna, Molyneux. I consider McKenna philosophical.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26642395 - 05/01/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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He is I agree a philosopher and scientist..
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26642415 - 05/01/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like honestly, he’s a fuckin genius. His technical theories are atrocious like the time wave or more controversially the assertion that chimps climbed down from the trees, ate some shrooms and became humans. Any real scientist would simply smirk and give him the cold shoulder I’m sure. But I dare anybody to read the Archaic Revival and not gasp.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26642421 - 05/01/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Shenmue]
#26642483 - 05/02/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Theories of novelty..
That nature is a mixture of habit and novelty..
Nature doesn't have straight lines.. just adaptation!
So what the is timewave zero.. other than relating things via similarities..
This blends well with the categorical imperative..
Life must find a way.. that's open..
Some theorize that demons invented nature.. with all its gbarls and knots..
And since we came from this nature is forced to conserve novelty along that habit..
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26642523 - 05/02/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess my favourites are UG Krishnamurti, William Blake, Lao Tzu and Shakespeare. But that is just to say who I am most jealous of in terms of their lives.
Really I think comparative philosophy is most important.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26642525 - 05/02/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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McKenna is a linguistical wizard. He understands language on a level that only shamans traditionally deal with, except he's educated in western parlance and history, etc. I'd absolutely consider McKenna as modern a philosopher as any.
Aristotle was always my guy. He questioned popular theory and entirely rejected (rightly so) Platonism as a foundational philosophy. He assisted in the pioneering of thinking about the "meta". One of the old guys truly worth his salt despite his name getting thrown around a lot. Plato was a pain in the as political punk, lol.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26642582 - 05/02/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dead: Jung (runner up, Marcus Auralius) Living: Jordan Peterson (runner up, M Scott Peck)
I don't enjoy heavy philosophy, only the stuff which, when learned, can make ones existence on this plane/in this human condition better. So these might not be philosophers in the traditionl sense, but damn the rules.
Wasn't easy to choose just one in each category but they're the ones with the most easy messages to get as a layperson, IMO. The ones who have provided, IMO, easy to digest works that really help make sense of this confusing, painful, seemingly nonsensical clusterfck that is life, in this particular day and age (not that the fundamentals of existence differ much, but things like internet change a lot of the experience).
If someone wants to talk about something unprovable, like free will or solipism, whilst undoubtedly philosophy, I feel it is more akin to mental masturbation and/or distraction than anything else, and serves no (self or others) one in true betterment, unlike learning to handle the inevitabilities for most/all of us, like tragedy, sickness, aging, relationships and conflicts and repulsive suroundings and the lonliness of selfhood, ideally with a smile if not just coping. It is too easy for such things to destroy us without guidance, IMO. And yet, with teaching, they can be the best things that happen. Learning to see them as the latter is the whole point of philosophy IMO, but I do suspect it is semantically different for others.
Anyway, like, that's just my opinion, man.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26642598 - 05/02/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: But that is just to say who I am most jealous of in terms of their lives.
Interesting. I've only ever felt that way about one man:

What an extraordinay life he has lived. I'll exchange thinking/having an extraordinary mind for experience of the planet, any day of the week.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26642605 - 05/02/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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BrendanFlock said: Jesus Christ.. proof of the power of giving..
And finally The Buddha on over coming the trappings of matter and existence..
I absolutely feel that the scriptures that sit at the heart of these (and other) disciplines are the closest thing we have to an 'instrutcion manual' to being the best we can be.
They're just fucking difficult to read and digest is all. And open to massive variations in interpretation, hence why morons fight over them.
People love a fixed understanding, and they will go to lenths incredible to fight anything that questions it.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#26642714 - 05/02/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I probably mean it in a different way to how you do, I meant internal lives, psychic lives. In terms of jealousies on external lives it's probably some party animals like the boys from FIDLAR or something.
Oh and living philosophers I'd go with George Saunders. I feel like it should be DFW but he's dead, but seems like he shouldn't be.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Grapefruit]
#26642730 - 05/02/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ah, in that case, it would be this guy for me:
Of all the thousands of people i've known beyond the trivial, this guy strikes me as the most spiritual/wise/well rounded I've ever met.
Freaked me out the first time I met him. Even with all the pyschological armour I'd built at 24, I could feel him look staright into my soul/core.
That guy has been places I can't even imagine, beyond them being death like, and he dedicates himself to sharing that.
He's been the catalyst to my getting over my most challenging spiritual roadblocks.
Plus he talks like fucking yoda sometimes, and his voice is cool AF.
Kinda guy that says something that you only 'get' three days later in a eureka moment..
Totally get being a hardcore partying rockstar though. I have the perfect mindset for it - man I could show you some videos - but none of the talent of the money.
I've definitely acted like one plenty of times though, and it's so much fun. Amazing really, to just not care for a while.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26642782 - 05/02/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like Seneca and many if the other stoics and ancient Greek philosophists. I still have so much reading to do to really pick a favorite. Also Im not sure if Jung would be considered a philosophist really as mich as a psychologist and phenomenologist. I really admire how he brought many things together in his work, mainly alchemy and religions and their symbols, to create a coherent entirety
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26643140 - 05/02/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I had to pick one, Alfred North Whitehead. He was so thorough and effective at analysing and breaking down the deepest and most fundamental concepts in Metaphysics.
Honorable mention Terence Mckenna (who, funnily enough, loved Alfred as a philosopher)
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26643174 - 05/02/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fantastic. That guy seems to have a breathtaking level of serenity.
On the other side of that I was always more jealous of guys like Lee "Scratch" Perry, probably due to romantic notions in me.
Blake writes rather arrogantly;
“Those who control their passions do so because their passions are weak enough to be controlled.”
Very different kind of rapture from the serene monk kind, the way I imagine the real Jesus is a bit like that too only higher.
Jung writes;
"Passion, whose conquest still requires so much effort in the case of Christ and does so incessantly and in ever greater measure, has left Buddha and surrounds him as a blazing fire. He is both unaffected and untouchable."
"Christ overcame the world by burdening himself with its suffering but Buddha overcame both the pleasure and suffering of the world by disposing of both."
UG's state is very interesting too because I think his seems a totally declutched one, he was just a goner.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26643201 - 05/02/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: I like Seneca and many if the other stoics and ancient Greek philosophists. I still have so much reading to do to really pick a favorite. Also Im not sure if Jung would be considered a philosophist really as mich as a psychologist and phenomenologist. I really admire how he brought many things together in his work, mainly alchemy and religions and their symbols, to create a coherent entirety
I don't think there's really any such thing as a philosopher or a psychologist or a prophet. They are all just words without a real demarcation, or only a light one at least, what counts is how much a man can express high natures. The means and manners always vary for men with gigantic nature.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#26643218 - 05/02/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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C.S. Lewis, because he could not help trying to live by what he thought.
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Very interesting
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Shenmue] 1
#26644984 - 05/03/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!
Alex Jones is not a philosopher. He is a sociopath, a liar and an asshole, but not one who loves wisdom, or truth, or who seeks to understand.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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