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LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!!
    #26642600 - 05/02/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey everyone,
So I am an experienced tripper, and today took a 125ug dose for the first time in 4 months. Now the acid I have is 100% pure lsd, tested, and is dosed accurately. No doubt here whatsoever. I started feeling the come up within 20 mins. No problems here, everything was fine. Now read this:

I also gave a friend half a tab, and he took it at the same time as me. It is his first time trying lsd. He held it on his tongue for about 10 minutes, then swallowed it, but that shouldn't matter. It has been almost 3 hours and he still hasn't felt anything. Also note that he has never done any drugs before at all, so there's no possibility of a cross-tolerance.

Now, since I am tripping right now, I know that the lsd itself isn't the culprit. The question is: why tf is he not feeling anything at all? I know he's not experienced and may take longer to feel the effects kicking in, but it shouldn't take 3 HOURS.

Please help out. Thanks


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: fruz]
    #26642616 - 05/02/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Iv found the first time experience on shrooms and acid to not do much to some people. Give him a full one next time and see how it goes. Some people also need a little bit more than others do.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: SFS96] * 3
    #26642830 - 05/02/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like the tab was unevenly laid as compared to the others.  Happens.  :shrug:


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26643070 - 05/02/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What Nature Boy said. Blotters are sometimes unevenly laid, so cutting hits in halfes is like gambling the dose.
I had quarter hits feel like full hits, and the other three quarters didn't do anything. Sometimes the complete dose is on a tiny spot on the edge of the blotter.

Besides.. half a hit is not much. Many people just don't feel 50 to 60 micrograms at all. It doesn't even produe "visuals", so maybe he is tripping but he just doen't know. :shrug:

Also, 1 out of 10 people just needs higher doses. Like trippel the normal dose. Natural high tolerance is a rare but real thing.

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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26643081 - 05/02/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If he was getting stoned all night and taking a semi low dose maybe he just didn't notice it? Sometimes low doses have a more body stone and very mild mental effects.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: fruz]
    #26643238 - 05/02/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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fruz said:
Now, since I am tripping right now, I know that the lsd itself isn't the culprit. The question is: why tf is he not feeling anything at all? I know he's not experienced and may take longer to feel the effects kicking in, but it shouldn't take 3 HOURS.

Please help out. Thanks




First off you can't be 100% certain that the LSD didn't just take an absurdly long time to kick in.

This was decades ago. Some friends and I, after taking the subway from Brooklyn into Penn Station, were walking toward Madison Square Garden to see the Grateful Dead. This was in the eighties. Anyway, some hippy dude was selling blotter acid. It was like $4 or $5 a hit back then, so I bought one and took it. This was more than an hour or two before the show was supposed to start. We always showed up to Dead shows early to hang out with the crowds, sometimes we even brought instruments and jammed. Anyway, an hour, two hours later, nothing. All I felt was the weed we were all continuously smoking. The entire show begins and ends, and now we're headed home after partying a little in the area of MSG. By this time it has to be about 2:00 AM. Still nothing but the weed. So I just assumed I bought beat acid, nothing but plain paper cut into little squares.

Long story short, its about 5:00 AM now, a full 10+ hours since I took the acid. I'm alone, laying in bed, listening to music on a tape in my Walkman (lol that's how long ago this is), and I smoked some hash in a pipe. Not a lot, just a few hits. A few minutes later something is off or wrong. I was getting much higher off the hash than I should have. So I get up, walk to the bathroom, and throw some cold water on my face. I then make the mistake oof looking in the mirror. Now anyone who has dropped acid before knows what I'm talking about here. But looking in the mirror while on acid, especially during a peak, is fucking insane. Some people can't handle it, because its like watching one of those horror movies where your face is melting off or you see bones moving under the skin like your body is made of some kind of thick, viscous liquid. So after 5 seconds of looking in the mirror, I realized what was happening. I was not only tripping, and 10+ hours later, but I had gone from zero to peaking in like 4-5 minutes. It was literally the most insane experience I ever had with hallucinogens. I have no idea, nor can I even offer a possible explanation for how this happened. But somehow my body either stored or didn't react right away to the LSD until after the trip should have been already winding down


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26643354 - 05/02/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Personally I don't believe in this "unevenly laid" idea.  In a chemical solution the dissolved substance will be evenly distributed throughout the solution.  So each place on the blotter has the same amount of LSD.

Blotter isn't made by placing microgram amounts of crystallized LSD onto each hit.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26643362 - 05/02/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The capillary action of the paper can be different in spots, maybe some spots are slightly more dense or something.  Its probably more likely with perforated blotters.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26643364 - 05/02/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Soaking sheets in solution isn't the best way to lay blotters. The most precise way is to drop singe drops with a micropipette onto each hit. Might take several minutes longer to lay a full sheet, but that's the way folks do it nowdays.

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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26643386 - 05/02/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Still hard to see.  So the claim is that they are using extremely precise equipment with extremely minute amounts of liquid, such that there isn't even to even absorb into thin paper?


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26643412 - 05/02/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

tabs sometimes are not as potent as they say, sometimes the chemist accidently dips his tongue on the unit for research purposes and follows the 5 second rule of sublingual regurgitation to save a little money. who cares? my idea would be to get a spine transfusion so you get all his flashbacks


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26643652 - 05/02/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Soaking sheets in solution isn't the best way to lay blotters. The most precise way is to drop singe drops with a micropipette onto each hit. Might take several minutes longer to lay a full sheet, but that's the way folks do it nowdays.

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This.  :whathesaid:

That's why I have been able to get made-to-order (dosage) blotter.  People lay it with a pipette and even the steadiest hands will put the drop off center every once in a while.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: fruz]
    #26643674 - 05/02/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Personally I don't believe in this "unevenly laid" idea.



I was suspicious at first too, but it's true. LSD isn't commonly laid by soaking or stuff like that, it's much more commonly laid by micro pipette which leaves a U shape on the tab with the LSD concentrated generally in one small spot.

A couple of posters have shown tabs under blacklight and stuff like that which clearly showed the U shape where it had been laid, with one big spot at one end of the U and not a lot at the other. The spot was maybe 1/4 of the tab, so I could easily see half having 90% of the LSD and the other half only having 10%.

Also, I've been reading in the hofmann archive on erowid, and apparently people with schizophrenia have a significantly diminished reaction to LSD. So it might be that some people with certain types of mental illness naturally have a lesser reaction and require higher doses.

But that's not what I think is going on here. I think the tabs are just unevenly laid.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: fruz]
    #26643725 - 05/02/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Could your friend be immune to LSD?

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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26643820 - 05/02/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, thanks everyone, I guess the tabs are indeed unevenly laid, or maybe he has a higher tolerance than usual. Or it can be an unlucky combination of the two.

Next time,  to be sure, I'll just dissolve the tab in a glass of water, and we'll both drink half, or whatever amount. This is something you can do right?


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: nooneman]
    #26643877 - 05/02/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Personally I don't believe in this "unevenly laid" idea.



I was suspicious at first too, but it's true. LSD isn't commonly laid by soaking or stuff like that, it's much more commonly laid by micro pipette which leaves a U shape on the tab with the LSD concentrated generally in one small spot.

A couple of posters have shown tabs under blacklight and stuff like that which clearly showed the U shape where it had been laid, with one big spot at one end of the U and not a lot at the other. The spot was maybe 1/4 of the tab, so I could easily see half having 90% of the LSD and the other half only having 10%.

Also, I've been reading in the hofmann archive on erowid, and apparently people with schizophrenia have a significantly diminished reaction to LSD. So it might be that some people with certain types of mental illness naturally have a lesser reaction and require higher doses.

But that's not what I think is going on here. I think the tabs are just unevenly laid.




Thanks for the explanation all, a lot for me to learn.  Here's my experience and why I was doubtful.  It's probably been 20 years since I've had acid, but I had quite a lot back then.

We'd get it in one of three forms.  Blotter tabs, gel tabs, or liquid (this was usually a breath mint bottle with a a built in dropper).  At that time and place, quality and strength were independent of which form it came in.  I took a lot of acid, but I never had less than 1 hit except for a single occasion.

That time I was at a festival with a friend and we both wanted to trip, but the only acid we could find were some gel tabs.  We were told it was really potent and was upcharged (I think something like $12 a hit).  Being broke and skeptical, we could only afford a single hit and decided to split it.  Our friend told us that the acid was only in one spot on the tab so if we split it only one of us would trip.  We ignored that, cut the tab in half diagonally, and each took it.  Skepticism was unfounded, these were really potent gel tabs.  We both tripped hard and relatively equally strength wise.  It was a beautiful trip, kind of glad I only had half a hit because it was so enjoyable and strong and a full hit of that stuff may have been overwhelming.

That was actually one of my favorite trips, so magical.  We were staying up all night and the festival was out in the woods.  When dawn approached the trees were swaying in the breeze and fading in and out of visibility through the LSD lens was one of the most remarkable experiences of my life.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: fruz]
    #26643951 - 05/02/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Alright, thanks everyone, I guess the tabs are indeed unevenly laid, or maybe he has a higher tolerance than usual. Or it can be an unlucky combination of the two.

Next time,  to be sure, I'll just dissolve the tab in a glass of water, and we'll both drink half, or whatever amount. This is something you can do right?





Is your friend on any medications?  SSRIs, anti psychotics, etc. will entirely stop a trip.  Benzos.. opiates, etc.


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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26646092 - 05/03/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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First off you can't be 100% certain that the LSD didn't just take an absurdly long time to kick in.

This was decades ago. I was not only tripping, and 10+ hours later, but I had gone from zero to peaking in like 4-5 minutes. It was literally the most insane experience I ever had with hallucinogens. I have no idea, nor can I even offer a possible explanation for how this happened. But somehow my body either stored or didn't react right away to the LSD until after the trip should have been already winding down






That sounds very strange. So once it started to "peak", were you then on a full on acid trip all night for 10+ hours past sunrise into the next day? (you said you started to trip 10+ hours after dosing, so did you then end up having a full on acid trip lasting 10+ hours?)

I feel something else may have been going on there. That just doesn't sound possible for several reasons.

The body does not "store" lsd...LSD is metabolized and broken down easily and quickly by the body.


LSD doesn't ever take an absurdly long time to kick in...LSD won't take 10+ hours for the trip to just begin. I can't think of any mechanism/possible way that can occur.

IME, LSD is very consistent in the way/timing that it comes on....out of the 150 or so times that I've taken LSD over the past 10+ years, there is always the same profile/timing with the way it comes on. I feel the "first alert" and my first shift in head-space within 5 minutes after the dose is under my tongue, and I'm tripping by the hour mark with another 2 to 3 hours of coming up before things peak and level out a bit.




I really feel that something else was going on there...that doesn't sound like LSD (or any drug) at all.

How long did that "trip" end up lasting through?





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Re: LSD NOT KICKING IN after 2+ hours? HELP!!! [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26646134 - 05/03/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

LSA Woodrose's late action psychedelic experience was 80% from his hashish and 20% from earlier in the day

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Personally I don't believe in this "unevenly laid" idea.  In a chemical solution the dissolved substance will be evenly distributed throughout the solution.  So each place on the blotter has the same amount of LSD.

Blotter isn't made by placing microgram amounts of crystallized LSD onto each hit.




Please explain why the blotter is even when the liquid is even.
there is no logical link - you just put "so" in there without considering how the solution (which is even) gets onto every bit of the paper evenly. remember we do not yet have magic wands to poof it onto the paper evenly. and we seem not to have any widespread engineering for it.


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    #26646515 - 05/03/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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LSA Woodrose's late action psychedelic experience was 80% from his hashish and 20% from earlier in the day

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Personally I don't believe in this "unevenly laid" idea.  In a chemical solution the dissolved substance will be evenly distributed throughout the solution.  So each place on the blotter has the same amount of LSD.

Blotter isn't made by placing microgram amounts of crystallized LSD onto each hit.




Please explain why the blotter is even when the liquid is even.
there is no logical link - you just put "so" in there without considering how the solution (which is even) gets onto every bit of the paper evenly. remember we do not yet have magic wands to poof it onto the paper evenly. and we seem not to have any widespread engineering for it.




nooneman explained and I followed up already.  As I said my belief is because only once in my life did I ever take less than a hit.  It was gel tab not blotter, but cut in half the person and I that took each half both tripped equally and strongly, even though at the time another friend made the claim that the acid was only in one spot so only one of us would trip.

I believe you guys but this seems like a serious fault of blotter and if liquid and geltabs avoid this issue, they would be preferable.  Blotter art is cool though.


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