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Who is your favourite philosopher?
    #26642348 - 05/01/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm curious who your favourite philosopher or philosophers are..?

And why they stand out to you..

Socratic method..

Nietzchies philosophy about eternity.. overman etc..

Kantian theories on morals and categorical imperative.

Anselms proof of God

John Locke and social contract..

Jesus Christ.. proof of the power of giving..

And finally The Buddha on over coming the trappings of matter and existence..


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26642390 - 05/01/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve read literally none of the above unless you count going to church a few times or browsing Socrates.  Nevertheless I’d go with Kierkegaard, McKenna, Molyneux.  I consider McKenna philosophical.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26642395 - 05/01/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

He is I agree a philosopher and scientist..


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26642415 - 05/01/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Like honestly, he’s a fuckin genius.  His technical theories are atrocious like the time wave or more controversially the assertion that chimps climbed down from the trees, ate some shrooms and became humans.  Any real scientist would simply smirk and give him the cold shoulder I’m sure.  But I dare anybody to read the Archaic Revival and not gasp.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26642421 - 05/01/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26642483 - 05/02/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Theories of novelty..

That nature is a mixture of habit and novelty..

Nature doesn't have straight lines.. just adaptation!

So what the is timewave zero.. other  than relating things via similarities..

This blends well with the categorical imperative..

Life must find a way.. that's open..

Some theorize that demons invented nature.. with all its gbarls and knots..

And since we came from this nature is forced to conserve novelty along that habit..


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26642523 - 05/02/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I guess my favourites are UG Krishnamurti, William Blake, Lao Tzu and Shakespeare. But that is just to say who I am most jealous of in terms of their lives.

Really I think comparative philosophy is most important.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26642525 - 05/02/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

McKenna is a linguistical wizard. He understands language on a level that only shamans traditionally deal with, except he's educated in western parlance and history, etc. I'd absolutely consider McKenna as modern a philosopher as any.

Aristotle was always my guy. He questioned popular theory and entirely rejected (rightly so) Platonism as a foundational philosophy. He assisted in the pioneering of thinking about the "meta". One of the old guys truly worth his salt despite his name getting thrown around a lot. Plato was a pain in the as political punk, lol.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26642582 - 05/02/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Dead: Jung (runner up, Marcus Auralius)
Living: Jordan Peterson (runner up, M Scott Peck)

I don't enjoy heavy philosophy, only the stuff which, when learned, can make ones existence on this plane/in this human condition better. So these might not be philosophers in the traditionl sense, but damn the rules.

Wasn't easy to choose just one in each category but they're the ones with the most easy messages to get as a layperson, IMO. The ones who have provided, IMO, easy to digest works that really help make sense of this confusing, painful, seemingly nonsensical clusterfck that is life, in this particular day and age (not that the fundamentals of existence differ much, but things like internet change a lot of the experience).

If someone wants to talk about something unprovable, like free will or solipism, whilst undoubtedly philosophy, I feel it is more akin to mental masturbation and/or distraction than anything else, and serves no (self or others) one in true betterment, unlike learning to handle the inevitabilities for most/all of us, like tragedy, sickness, aging, relationships and conflicts and repulsive suroundings and the lonliness of selfhood, ideally with a smile if not just coping. It is too easy for such things to destroy us without guidance, IMO. And yet, with teaching, they can be the best things that happen. Learning to see them as the latter is the whole point of philosophy IMO, but I do suspect it is semantically different for others.

Anyway, like, that's just my opinion, man.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26642598 - 05/02/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But that is just to say who I am most jealous of in terms of their lives.



Interesting. I've only ever felt that way about one man:



What an extraordinay life he has lived. I'll exchange thinking/having an extraordinary mind for experience of the planet, any day of the week.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26642605 - 05/02/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jesus Christ.. proof of the power of giving..

And finally The Buddha on over coming the trappings of matter and existence..



I absolutely feel that the scriptures that sit at the heart of these (and other) disciplines are the closest thing we have to an 'instrutcion manual' to being the best we can be.

They're just fucking difficult to read and digest is all. And open to massive variations in interpretation, hence why morons fight over them.

People love a fixed understanding, and they will go to lenths incredible to fight anything that questions it.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26642714 - 05/02/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I probably mean it in a different way to how you do, I meant internal lives, psychic lives. In terms of jealousies on external lives it's probably some party animals like the boys from FIDLAR or something.

Oh and living philosophers I'd go with George Saunders. I feel like it should be DFW but he's dead, but seems like he shouldn't be. :sad:


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26642730 - 05/02/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, in that case, it would be this guy for me:



Of all the thousands of people i've known beyond the trivial, this guy strikes me as the most spiritual/wise/well rounded I've ever met.

Freaked me out the first time I met him. Even with all the pyschological armour I'd built at 24, I could feel him look staright into my soul/core.

That guy has been places I can't even imagine, beyond them being death like, and he dedicates himself to sharing that.

He's been the catalyst to my getting over my most challenging spiritual roadblocks.

Plus he talks like fucking yoda sometimes, and his voice is cool AF.

Kinda guy that says something that you only 'get' three days later in a eureka moment..



Totally get being a hardcore partying rockstar though. I have the perfect mindset for it - man I could show you some videos - but none of the talent of the money.

I've definitely acted like one plenty of times though, and it's so much fun. Amazing really, to just not care for a while.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26642782 - 05/02/20 04:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I like Seneca and many if the other stoics and ancient Greek philosophists. I still have so much reading to do to really pick a favorite. Also Im not sure if Jung would be considered a philosophist really as mich as a psychologist and phenomenologist. I really admire how he brought many things together in his work, mainly alchemy and religions and their symbols, to create a coherent entirety


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26643140 - 05/02/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I had to pick one, Alfred North Whitehead. He was so thorough and effective at analysing and breaking down the deepest and most fundamental concepts in Metaphysics.

Honorable mention Terence Mckenna (who, funnily enough, loved Alfred as a philosopher)


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26643174 - 05/02/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Fantastic. That guy seems to have a breathtaking level of serenity.

On the other side of that I was always more jealous of guys like Lee "Scratch" Perry, probably due to romantic notions in me.

Blake writes rather arrogantly;

“Those who control their passions do so because their passions are weak enough to be controlled.”



Very different kind of rapture from the serene monk kind, the way I imagine the real Jesus is a bit like that too only higher.

Jung writes;

"Passion, whose conquest still requires so much effort in the case of Christ and does so incessantly and in ever greater measure, has left Buddha and surrounds him as a blazing fire. He is both unaffected and untouchable."

"Christ overcame the world by burdening himself with its suffering but Buddha overcame both the pleasure and suffering of the world by disposing of both."

UG's state is very interesting too because I think his seems a totally declutched one, he was just a goner.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26643201 - 05/02/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I like Seneca and many if the other stoics and ancient Greek philosophists. I still have so much reading to do to really pick a favorite. Also Im not sure if Jung would be considered a philosophist really as mich as a psychologist and phenomenologist. I really admire how he brought many things together in his work, mainly alchemy and religions and their symbols, to create a coherent entirety




I don't think there's really any such thing as a philosopher or a psychologist or a prophet. They are all just words without a real demarcation, or only a light one at least, what counts is how much a man can express high natures. The means and manners always vary for men with gigantic nature.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26643218 - 05/02/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

C.S. Lewis, because he could not help trying to live by what he thought.


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    #26643246 - 05/02/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26644984 - 05/03/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!




Alex Jones is not a philosopher. He is a sociopath, a liar and an asshole, but not one who loves wisdom, or truth, or who seeks to understand.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: secondorder]
    #26645003 - 05/03/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If I had to pick one, Alfred North Whitehead. He was so thorough and effective at analysing and breaking down the deepest and most fundamental concepts in Metaphysics.

Honorable mention Terence Mckenna (who, funnily enough, loved Alfred as a philosopher)




Whitehead was stellar; "Intelligence is the apperception of pattern as such."


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    #26647106 - 05/03/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!




Alex Jones is not a philosopher. He is a sociopath, a liar and an asshole, but not one who loves wisdom, or truth, or who seeks to understand.



But do you have a favourite philosopher?

You can include yourself if you like..

To be honest I really respect my self as a philosopher..


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26647690 - 05/04/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Gotama,  Plato/Socrates, Bodhidharma, Drimey Wozer, Whitehead, Nietsche, Camus, Locke, Spinoza, Descartes,  Schopenhauer,  Kant, Ignatius,  Dogen, Plotinus, etc etc.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26648075 - 05/04/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm curious who your favourite philosopher or philosophers are..?

And why they stand out to you..

Socratic method..

Nietzchies philosophy about eternity.. overman etc..

Kantian theories on morals and categorical imperative.

Anselms proof of God

John Locke and social contract..

Jesus Christ.. proof of the power of giving..

And finally The Buddha on over coming the trappings of matter and existence..




Did Locke also do something on the social contract? Or are you thinking of Rousseau?

I definitely disagree with Anselm, for starters, but otherwise I like most philosophers. I guess if I had to choose one I'd have to say Bertrand Russel. His practical and level-headed writings are impossible to fault.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26648426 - 05/04/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Gotama,  Plato/Socrates, Bodhidharma, Drimey Wozer, Whitehead, Nietsche, Camus, Locke, Spinoza, Descartes,  Schopenhauer,  Kant, Ignatius,  Dogen, Plotinus, etc etc.




Is Camus any good ?

I mean I see that he’s on your list but it’s pretty extensive.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26648451 - 05/04/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I enjoy reading him.  The myth of Sisyphus is where most usually start.  But I find when dealing with any philosopher’s perspective it’s pertinent to start with their first work or as close to it as can be found, and work through each subsequent work linearly.  Mostly because I find I gain perspective over how said philo man developed their thoughts and ideas over time.  Much like starting off liking a new band, and following their work as it comes out over time and seeing how the music evolves over time.  Grants perspective and ups comprehension of some of the heavier and nuanced ness of their work.  Allows for an appropriate appreciation of its pros and cons and of the individual  and oneself.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26648517 - 05/04/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That’s reasonable.  I think it’s difficult to go from different thinkers especially ones separated by the ages where their stance is wildly different from another’s.  It’s really a kind of mind fuck and at risk of confusing.  So it’s probably best to commit to a certain writer for awhile unless it sucks before moving on.  Starting with their early stuff is probably ideal but I doubt most can go through only so much material.  Personally I skip around a bit but not to the point of getting lost in translation.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26648910 - 05/04/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think so too, plus one can always play around with multiple writers at the same time who’s work coincided in relative time in history.  I find that can sometimes broaden perspective further.

Like if we have one guy from France and another from Greece and another from China and India - but all having written during the same decade about the world, but from their angle and window into reality.  Sometimes it works, other times if the subject matter is very complicated or technical I may defer to just that one for the time being.

Doing so can highlight something akin to convergent evolution and Co evolution  in mans philosophies per the times.  Pretty neat.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26649181 - 05/04/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Spinoza for his high regard of mother nature.

Descartes for at least a recognition of there being more than one entity that interact.

Dirac for his elegant view of a vacuum in space.

Einstein for doing his part.

MacLean for forward thinking.

And Darwin for putting together a great deal of puzzle pieces.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: sudly]
    #26650781 - 05/05/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sartre, his writing is fairly accessible and always leaves me feeling optimistic and empowered. Then Foucault and Baudrillard for the opposite reason, reading their books is more of a struggle but I find a lot of thought provoking ideas that are fun to interact with.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: WASTE]
    #26651031 - 05/05/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just to add to this thread I don't think David Foster Wallace should be left out of any modern list of great philosophers. If you haven't checked out his work I highly recommend it. Just about the best present day relevant philosopher/essayist I can think of.


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26658953 - 05/09/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ah, in that case, it would be this guy for me:....




Thanks for the link to the Interview with Suvaco.
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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #26678982 - 05/18/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For me it's Lao Tzu. The Tao seems to balance skepticism with peace and selflessness, which I think is good, even if nietzsche's nihilism seems more rational. Someone mentioned William Blake too. Certainly the most interesting philosopher/poet in my opinion, especially those frantic pieces in "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell".


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26680133 - 05/19/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Alex Jones is my favorite philosopher!!!




Oh, are you a hate-monger yourself, or do you need a miscreant like Alex Jones to show you how to be one? He is not a philosopher (lover of wisdom) even under the most liberal and tenuous definition of the word philosopher. He is a pain, a bane and a stain on the First Amendment IMO. A word of advice from an elder: have a nice life by not getting all ginned up by the likes of Alex Jones or some other demagogue and committing a hate-crime that will put you in prison for life instead.  :bye:


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Re: Who is your favourite philosopher? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26680135 - 05/19/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to inform you JSB that M. Scott Peck has been deceased for quite some time now. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4868067


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    #26680215 - 05/19/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

"The chemicals are turning the frogs gay!"
:feelsgoodman:

"I'll eat your ass".


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