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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26644881 - 05/02/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: The economy will kill more people than the virus, my wifes parents and family live in another country and they're already starving we had to send them hundreds of dollars. Now their government is scrambling to get funds they're trying to make everyone outside of their country pay 3% of the money they're making working in other countries pay for health insurance they can't use to save the lives of locals.
These shut downs will kill more people globally with famine, financial famine, than the virus ever could.
I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to feel this way, too. We can't keep this up for a year or two. No matter what we do, millions of people are going to die.
In my opinion, our best hope is to reopen the economy and do every thing we can to slow the spread of the virus i.e. social distancing, masks, washing hands, etc. Problems is a lot of people will refuse to do that because "MUH FREEDUMBS!" and then we'll have 20% of the population too sick to work, which is ANY AMOUNT OF SICK because we will have to make it illegal for any business to allow someone who has any symptoms to work, and if you do, your business gets shut down.
It's not going to be anywhere near 20% !! A lot of people don't even get symptoms! They say it's like 4% that die but it's probably nowhere near that number because most people haven't been tested. It's mostly old people that die. Most old people are retired so we just need to get back to work. We just need to be smart about it and stay away from the elderly until this shit slows down.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26644882 - 05/02/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: I'm not sure where you see anyone talking about the virus. I see people talking about the repercussions of the virus, Mr. First World Problems.
I was referring to economics
idk what ur insinuating
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#26644890 - 05/02/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem is farmers not having anywhere to take their shit. If they can't sell it they won't grow it, and that includes the animals. As livestock populations keep getting culled and the businesses that process them keep shutting down or possibly bankrupting, when/if demand goes back to normal there won't be enough supply. It will take a year or more to fix that depending on growing seasons and livestock growth rate. When the restaurant sector went dark so did half the agribusiness. There's lots of factories out there that just make giant multi-kg blocks of cheese and shit just for your take-out pizzas and whatever. This is not including the other supply chain disruptions like long-haul orders and also other events like drought and the locust population about to boom very very soon over in eastern Africa which will probably make its way to Europe and parts of Asia. Literally trillions of the little bastards are expected. This is a problem because someone's gotta feed them. There's also evidence that during solar minima fungi and bacteria and pests thrive, meaning even without all the other things I could say there's a possibility that crops would be effected anyway. There was mass flooding even just last year that set back a lot of people, can't imagine those farms will recover from another season of poor income. Their insurance only goes so far.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26644893 - 05/02/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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we just gave them 40 billion to burn soybeans just before this happened.
we just gave random billionaires 6 trillion
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644940 - 05/03/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everyone should not listen to the CDC and wear a mask.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26644943 - 05/03/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah they probably made the virus
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman] 1
#26644944 - 05/03/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: Many people are going untreated and millions lost their healthcare.
The leading theory is that many covid deaths are under represented.
did you actually get the rona budman?
Yeah I had it, 2 months before I had it a regular common cold made me way sicker.
You bitch about cases being falsely reported and keep on saying you've had it. I think that's bullshit and you don't know what you had.
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cannabinated said: Many people are going untreated and millions lost their healthcare.
The leading theory is that many covid deaths are under represented.
did you actually get the rona budman?
Yeah I had it, 2 months before I had it a regular common cold made me way sicker.
You bitch about cases being falsely reported and keep on saying you've had it. I think that's bullshit and you don't know what you had.
I know what I had
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26644971 - 05/03/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You may have had a mild corona virus giving u partial immunity as well as sars cov2
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644973 - 05/03/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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so why did you get tested if it was nothing?
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The funny thing is this is playing out almost exactly as I had imagined.
Power plays Mass fear and confusion Solutions that might actually do more harm Lots of incompetence Lots of arguing Lots of depression and anxiety with no certain source or direction Alot of data gaps and potentially misleading stats People fucking around trying to not think about how far reaching and terrible the consequences might be People thinking far worse with no basis Not shit anyone knows for sure People using words and figures incorrectly "Think of the children" type things going on when few movements have actually benefited the children. In this case the elderly. I've seen no legislation or PSA about improving nursing homes and social services for the ill or elderly. Even though that's, ya know, the most serious sore spot of the whole problem.
Fear and control but rarely in the organized manner people imagine. Think of the children means think of me and my family and do what I think you should do.
Not thought through. It never is. Because the world is too big for most people to really think about.
Self included.
And yes the masks are better at stopping you, as an infected person, from spreading it than they are from protecting you. The masks are to protect others from your germs because you probably don't know and aren't executing proper decontamination procedures. But that bandana around your face is limiting the spread of your cough.
People are afraid to iterate this too much because people are selfish. And stupid. And lazy.
Again self included. I've tried to roll with the nitpicking germphobe procedures and it's frankly too exhausting for me to do all the time. But I still go an extra step. Too many other people would just give up entirely if they realized how much effort it is to "keep themselves safe" from air particles that coat everything.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26644986 - 05/03/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aren't masks only effective for up to 20 minutes before they become saturated and essentially counter-productive?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26644994 - 05/03/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Home made masks? Yeah something like that. Not sure about surgical masks or respirators.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26644995 - 05/03/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought I read even the N95 loses integrity after a short period.
I could totally be wrong.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26645009 - 05/03/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I remember reading that but I don't know if that quote is from using them as virus protection or in, say, an environment saturated with mold spores.
I can tell you that they clog up and become very difficult to breathe through if you're using them in that manner. Experience there.
It's not 20 minutes though. It's a few hours or more depending on the environment, how hard you breathe, sweat, ect.
Edit: I'm not beholden to any PPE regularly bodies though
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26645014 - 05/03/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: so why did you get tested if it was nothing?
To not spread it and get 2 weeks off paid.
If I could catch the virus again I'd do it, get tested again and get another 2 weeks off, it likely wouldn't be paid but that means I can get that 1400 a week unemployment and play video games instead of work. That's what I did last time I had the virus.
The head aches made me not wanna play VR that was the down side.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26645025 - 05/03/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: The funny thing is this is playing out almost exactly as I had imagined.
Power plays Mass fear and confusion Solutions that might actually do more harm Lots of incompetence Lots of arguing Lots of depression and anxiety with no certain source or direction Alot of data gaps and potentially misleading stats People fucking around trying to not think about how far reaching and terrible the consequences might be People thinking far worse with no basis Not shit anyone knows for sure People using words and figures incorrectly "Think of the children" type things going on when few movements have actually benefited the children. In this case the elderly. I've seen no legislation or PSA about improving nursing homes and social services for the ill or elderly. Even though that's, ya know, the most serious sore spot of the whole problem.
Fear and control but rarely in the organized manner people imagine. Think of the children means think of me and my family and do what I think you should do.
Not thought through. It never is. Because the world is too big for most people to really think about.
Self included.
And yes the masks are better at stopping you, as an infected person, from spreading it than they are from protecting you. The masks are to protect others from your germs because you probably don't know and aren't executing proper decontamination procedures. But that bandana around your face is limiting the spread of your cough.
People are afraid to iterate this too much because people are selfish. And stupid. And lazy.
Again self included. I've tried to roll with the nitpicking germphobe procedures and it's frankly too exhausting for me to do all the time. But I still go an extra step. Too many other people would just give up entirely if they realized how much effort it is to "keep themselves safe" from air particles that coat everything.
Relative.
I was able to stop the spread by just monitoring my temperature till I saw my temperature go above 99.2 at that point I went to the walk in clinic and got tested and my work quarantined me. I worked closely with people in enclosed spaces, no one I worked with got sick from being around me before my temperature rose. At home when I left my room to use the kitchen I wore a mask and wash my hands, my wife already had the virus before I caught it, I caught it from her, but no one else in my household caught it with this method.
That's all we really have to do, monitor yourself and if you think you are coming down with something, isolate, that's it, quarantining perfectly healthy people doesn't do much.
Educating your population on how to handle illness in general that will work. Not forcing people inside so they invite their friends over for tea or what ever the fuck most people do and spreading it to them so they then go hang out in someone else house and none of them suspecting they got the rona cause they got a mild cough that seems like nothing, because for the most part thats what this illness is,
New York is a shining example, what a great quarentine, they had like what 15k cases when they shut down or something? Maybe even less now they got what what is it lets look 313K cases state wide.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26645028 - 05/03/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I remember reading that but I don't know if that quote is from using them as virus protection or in, say, an environment saturated with mold spores.
I can tell you that they clog up and become very difficult to breathe through if you're using them in that manner. Experience there.
It's not 20 minutes though. It's a few hours or more depending on the environment, how hard you breathe, sweat, ect.
Edit: I'm not beholden to any PPE regularly bodies though
That's probably exactly what I read somewhere.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26645029 - 05/03/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal. And I am mentally unstable.
Edited by budmanman (05/03/20 01:57 AM)
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26645034 - 05/03/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So now that 1 in 5 working Americans are on unemployment, which is expected to climb, a good portion of those people can't pay their rent after July 31st when the extra 600 goes away, so is the government gonna print up a bunch of more money to devalue our currency and deposit more into our banks or what?
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