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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644641 - 05/02/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: Many people are going untreated and millions lost their healthcare.
The leading theory is that many covid deaths are under represented.
did you actually get the rona budman?
Yeah I had it, 2 months before I had it a regular common cold made me way sicker.
you obviously have no clue whats going on but im sure numbers are being skewed.
How do I have no idea whats going on, I literally had the virus and am in the research study
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
#26644642 - 05/02/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feevers said: It's not a conspiracy, it's you not understanding the data.
Understand data. Lets try and do this.
Many deaths are being recorded as Covid deaths.
Even if Covid was not a leading cause, if people test positive, medical professionals and coroners are advised to add covid codes to their list of causes.
If this is to hard to understand how this could inflate numbers of deaths, I don't know how else to put it.
So, when we start tallying up numbers and see all these death certs with covid codes, they count those as covid deaths, however those people died.
Weird, they are listing covid-19 as a contributing cause. I mean this virus only attacks and infects cells ACE2 receptors. So someone covid positive dying of acute renal failure makes no sense right, because we all know kidney cells, epithelium, endothelium and smooth muscle do not have surface expression of ACE2 receptors
Many idiots in this thread. Advice to those trying to talk sense, save yourself from the potential carpal tunnel syndrome of replying.
I know this but if the majority don't start seeing what is happening we will be quarantined till 2022 and have way worse problems, so we gotta try.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman] 1
#26644649 - 05/02/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ah i misread that sorry
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644650 - 05/02/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: Many people are going untreated and millions lost their healthcare.
The leading theory is that many covid deaths are under represented.
did you actually get the rona budman?
We seriously need to do something about are healthcare system. I think universal healthcare is going to be a big topic again 4 years from now. The government is going to be so focused on rebuilding the economy for the next few years that I don't think healthcare will be on their mind at all. It'll be another 4-8 years before healthcare changes. These politicians are obviously being paid to keep the system we have now. They're evil as fuck.. I think 4 years from now the American citizens are going to put so much pressure on them that they're going to change everything..
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644654 - 05/02/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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But still u have no clue cause no one has any clue...
what test did they use? are you saying that all the news of strokes is fake?
if you wanna claim its a hoax then who is doing the hoaxing and why?
And we are nowhere near being able to have a convo about herd immunity.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644667 - 05/02/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you wanna claim its a hoax then who is doing the hoaxing and why?
It's Bill Gates teaming up with 5G and Jeffrey Epstein from what I've read on twitter. But of course their real handlers are the illuminati
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: feevers]
#26644686 - 05/02/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We can't even begin to talk about herd immunity, but we are flattening the curve waiting for a vaccine that operates on the principle of herd immunity by giving people an inactive form of the virus so their body responds like as if they caught the virus to create herd immunity.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
#26644687 - 05/02/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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feevers said: It's not a conspiracy, it's you not understanding the data.
Understand data. Lets try and do this.
Many deaths are being recorded as Covid deaths.
Even if Covid was not a leading cause, if people test positive, medical professionals and coroners are advised to add covid codes to their list of causes.
If this is to hard to understand how this could inflate numbers of deaths, I don't know how else to put it.
So, when we start tallying up numbers and see all these death certs with covid codes, they count those as covid deaths, however those people died.
Weird, they are listing covid-19 as a contributing cause. I mean this virus only attacks and infects cells ACE2 receptors. So someone covid positive dying of acute renal failure makes no sense right, because we all know kidney cells, epithelium, endothelium and smooth muscle do not have surface expression of ACE2 receptors
Many idiots in this thread. Advice to those trying to talk sense, save yourself from the potential carpal tunnel syndrome of replying.
See, that's why I like this place, it requires me to look things up.
https://www.kidneyfund.org/kidney-disease/kidney-problems/acute-kidney-injury.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwtLT1BRD9ARIsAMH3BtXBnYT-zIKdw6u1d5OiOIQtH-QMwuc4knSshyu2BBnDi6wDyWjh2bMaApwsEALw_wcB
"When your kidneys stop working suddenly, over a very short period of time (usually two days or less), it is called acute kidney injury (AKI). AKI is sometimes called acute kidney failure or acute renal failure. It is very serious and requires immediate treatment.
Unlike kidney failure that results from kidney damage that gets worse slowly, AKI is often reversible if it is found and treated quickly. If you were healthy before your kidneys suddenly failed and you were treated for AKI right away, your kidneys may work normally or almost normally after your AKI is treated. Some people have lasting kidney damage after AKI. This is called chronic kidney disease, and it could lead to kidney failure if steps are not taken to prevent the kidney damage from getting worse.
Who gets acute kidney injury? Anyone can get AKI. Most of the time, AKI happens in people who are already sick and in the hospital. People who are in the intensive care unit (ICU) are even more likely than people who are in other units of the hospital to have AKI. This is because people who need to be in the ICU are already very sick. Other things that can increase your risk of having AKI include:
Being age 65 or above Having a kidney disease or kidney problem Having high blood pressure Having a chronic disease, such as heart disease, liver disease or diabetes Having peripheral artery disease (a condition that makes it hard for your blood to get to your arms and legs)
What are the symptoms of acute kidney injury? You might not notice any symptoms of AKI at first. If you do have symptoms, you may notice some or all of the following problems:
Not enough urine Swelling in your legs, ankles or feet Feeling tired Trouble catching your breath Feeling confused Nausea Pain or pressure in your chest
If you have very severe AKI, you may have seizures or fall into a coma.
If you notice any of these symptom, contact your health care provider immediately.
What causes acute kidney injury? Acute kidney injury (AKI) usually happens when your kidneys are damaged suddenly. The damage that leads to AKI may be caused by:
Not enough blood flowing through your kidneys An injury directly to your kidneys or a problem with your kidneys A blockage in your ureters, the tubes that take urine from your kidneys to your bladder
Some examples of problems that can cause you to have too little blood flowing through your kidneys are:
Low blood pressure Bleeding too much Having severe diarrhea Heart disease or heart attack Infection Liver failure Using NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), such as aspirin, ibuprofen and naproxen Serious burns Being very dehydrated (not having enough fluid in your body) Severe allergic reaction Some examples of problems that can cause direct damage to your kidneys are:
Blood clots in or around the kidneys Diseases that affect the kidneys, such as glomerulonephritis and lupus Infection Certain medicines, such as some chemotherapy drugs, some antibiotics and contrast dyes used during CT scans, MRI scans and other imaging tests Alcohol or drug abuse Some blood or blood vessel disorders
Some examples of problems that could cause a blockage in your urinary tract are:
Some cancers Blood clots in or around the kidneys Kidney stones Bladder problems Enlarged prostate (in men)
What is the treatment for acute kidney injury? The treatment for AKI depends on what caused it to happen. Most people need to stay in the hospital during treatment and until their kidneys recover. While you are being treated for the problem that caused your AKI, you may also have treatments to prevent problems that can make it harder for your kidneys to heal. Some possible treatments include:
Temporary hemodialysis to do the work that your kidneys should be doing, until they can recover Medicines to control the amounts of vitamins and minerals in your blood Treatments to keep the right amount of fluid in your blood
When you return home, your doctor may ask you to follow a kidney-friendly diet plan to help your kidneys continue to heal. Your doctor may be able to refer you to a dietitian, who can help you make a kidney-friendly diet plan that works for you.
How can I prevent acute kidney injury? Because AKI happens suddenly, it can be hard to predict or prevent it. But taking good care of your kidneys can help prevent AKI, chronic kidney disease (CKD) and kidney failure/ESRD. Follow these general rules to keep your kidneys as healthy as possible:
Work with your doctor to manage diabetes and high blood pressure. Live healthy! Eat a diet low in salt and fat, exercise for 30 minutes at least five days per week, limit alcohol and take all prescription medicines as your doctor tells you to. If you take over-the-counter pain medicines, such as aspirin or ibuprofen, do not take more than is recommended on the package. Taking too much of these medicines can hurt your kidneys and can cause AKI."
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26644700 - 05/02/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So when do you expect a vaccine?
I dont understand your guys arguments of letting the sick die in the name of the economy. That site you posted is just healthcare liability propaganda. It has nothing to do with covid.
And there is tons of nasty gunk accumulating in the blood of course its going to cause kidney problems.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated] 2
#26644736 - 05/02/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The economy will kill more people than the virus, my wifes parents and family live in another country and they're already starving we had to send them hundreds of dollars. Now their government is scrambling to get funds they're trying to make everyone outside of their country pay 3% of the money they're making working in other countries pay for health insurance they can't use to save the lives of locals.
These shut downs will kill more people globally with famine, financial famine, than the virus ever could.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman] 1
#26644755 - 05/02/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: The economy will kill more people than the virus, my wifes parents and family live in another country and they're already starving we had to send them hundreds of dollars. Now their government is scrambling to get funds they're trying to make everyone outside of their country pay 3% of the money they're making working in other countries pay for health insurance they can't use to save the lives of locals.
These shut downs will kill more people globally with famine, financial famine, than the virus ever could.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
#26644761 - 05/02/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you! I can't believe that I'm risking my life for fucking idiots.
Dont be so entitled, you aint risking your life for no one. its your choice. I know people who would rather have a job and risk losing their life in order to provide for their family than to die anyway as a consequence of not being able to perceive an income.
You can quit your job if you wish and stay home with no money and food, aint no one forcing at gun point to keep your job.
Well guess what people die if I don't do my job. Unlike, a lot of jobs in the country. I can't work remotely, I'm helping patients. But, the majority are ungrateful and complaining that I need to take their temperature or ask them screening questions if they are sick.
I have every right to refuse care to patients that refuse to comply. You don't want to wear mask, don't want your temperature taken cause of your liberties. FUCK OFF!
But i'm done even trying to reason with people.
Hey man, I want to clarify that it is not my intent to offend you. May 10th my president will announce whether they will continue to extent the lockdown or open the economy back up with restrictions.
Of course, I'm ready for them to open it back. Those who wish to stay home, let them stay home. They have instilled fear into the hearts of people through the hypnotizing media and i guess this is what bothers me the most.
However, I appreciate what you and others like you do as far as risking your wellbeing for the sake of your community. And I wear my mask everytime i go out. Well, its the law out here to do so but i do it and dont mind it anymore now that I comprehend what's at stake.
Like said originally, many times i'm not too empathetic but i wanna try to be, i want to try to understand and respect others because we all deserve that respect.
stay safe
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26644762 - 05/02/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's sad but true. The food shortages are coming. Places like Canada and the US will survive but it will be tight and expensive. Other places will die. This could turn in to the greatest famine in recorded history if not all human history considering our total population. I'm really considering breeding rabbits for the meats but I'll probably cry like a total fag.. you know, the cuteness. c'est la vie
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#26644767 - 05/02/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm already growing some of my own food for the first time and I'm in the you esss of ayyy
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#26644771 - 05/02/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yalk better get ready too, the initial panic buying almost killed my grandma as she is on a very restricted diet and we almost couldn't find anything she was allowed to eat. Had to go to 8 grocery stores. But we gotta protect the sick and elderly derp
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26644802 - 05/02/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: The economy will kill more people than the virus, my wifes parents and family live in another country and they're already starving we had to send them hundreds of dollars. Now their government is scrambling to get funds they're trying to make everyone outside of their country pay 3% of the money they're making working in other countries pay for health insurance they can't use to save the lives of locals.
These shut downs will kill more people globally with famine, financial famine, than the virus ever could.
Exactly!!! I'm so annoyed how people are talking shit about people that want to reopen the economy!!! They're uneducated and dont realize it's going to kill more people than the virus. When trump said the cure is worse than the virus he was actually 100% telling the truth. It is worse than the virus!!!.. People are only going to get unemployment for 39 weeks!! After that they have no money!! I guess it's already around 30 million people and it keeps rising!!! If we keep things shut down it'll probably be like 45 million. Those 45 million people are going to have a difficult time surviving!!! I bet if we don't reopen the country millions will die from suicide alone.
Yes the cure is worse than the virus!! We need to get this country running again.. I don't think some of you understand how much damage this is actually causing...
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#26644803 - 05/02/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Far more people are going to die from the economy being shut down compared to the virus. It's not even close!!! Not only are more people going to die but the rich are buying these businesses and the governments are gaining more power... The worst part is that a lot of people think the government is doing the right thing. We're being fucked so bad right now!!!
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#26644808 - 05/02/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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damn i didnt know yall had phds this has been real informative
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: cannabinated]
#26644813 - 05/02/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not sure where you see anyone talking about the virus. I see people talking about the repercussions of the virus, Mr. First World Problems.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
#26644863 - 05/02/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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budmanman said: The economy will kill more people than the virus, my wifes parents and family live in another country and they're already starving we had to send them hundreds of dollars. Now their government is scrambling to get funds they're trying to make everyone outside of their country pay 3% of the money they're making working in other countries pay for health insurance they can't use to save the lives of locals.
These shut downs will kill more people globally with famine, financial famine, than the virus ever could.
I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to feel this way, too. We can't keep this up for a year or two. No matter what we do, millions of people are going to die.
In my opinion, our best hope is to reopen the economy and do every thing we can to slow the spread of the virus i.e. social distancing, masks, washing hands, etc. Problems is a lot of people will refuse to do that because "MUH FREEDUMBS!" and then we'll have 20% of the population too sick to work, which is ANY AMOUNT OF SICK because we will have to make it illegal for any business to allow someone who has any symptoms to work, and if you do, your business gets shut down.
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