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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26643438 - 05/02/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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feevers said:
A few people in this thread comprise a perfect case study of exactly why the government needs to mandate things like masks.

Some people are just too entitled and uneducated to understand how simple sacrifices can make huge differences that benefit everyone.

This is not the flu. We've essentially shut down the country and this thing has somehow still killed more people, in like a month, than the flu kills a year. Again, with a shutdown and extreme measures in place to stop the spread.

As far as the devastation that would've happened if we didn't shut down and it all happened at once, I'm not going to waste my breath because anyone who's capable or willing to grasp the concept already has, a month ago. Many people simply don't actually care



Opening things up as quickly as possible means making sacrifices along the way. If you don't make those sacrifices you're directly a part of the problem from both the health/human life side and the economic side.



Thank you! I can't believe that I'm risking my life for fucking idiots.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro] * 3
    #26643464 - 05/02/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Anne Frank had to hid in an attic for 2 years eating rotten tulip bulbs and America loses their shit when they have to stay at home for another couple of weeks.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26643466 - 05/02/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
I hear ya man. I think we're on the same page, and I think you're one of the NE guys that can see past your cultural programming.

However I have spent hours today on WhatsApp with my friend group here discussing a silght change in gun ownership requirements, and I have been amazed at the mental gymnastics peope who've been raised with that privilege will go through if you even suggest for a secon that it may be a double endged sword. Hell, they said it's just as bad in Australia - last year it was 2 mass shootings there for 435 here, with 1/10th of the population. Oh and the 'we should ban cars then' argument.

So I may be a little salty over American 'freedom' right now. A couple of additional background checks in MI had them melting like fuck.

Forgive me if I come across as too wordy and jaded, did a little coke fonight for the first time all year. Needed a release after this week.




You get this shit because people view things in such black and white terms. They think that a single restriction is a slippery slope to an outright ban.

Canadian firearm ownership was restricted enough that people thought it was banned. In truth... Canadians just care less about owning guns.


There's a culture set up around it and I think we have Hollywood to blame tbh. Hollywood and the over glorification of our involvement in WWII. The odd insistence that we're always the good guys with big guns in all those stories.

Our gun problem is a cultural problem and if you ask me I think it's us largely reaping what we have sewn with propaganda.



I think alot of our relationship problems can be traced back to gender roles and religious propaganda too. Americans have very different views of sensuality than much of Europe and coincidentally we also had the biggest puritan movement (in relatively recent history).



And alot of the it's overblown push back you're seeing is a result of our media acting like anything and everything is the next doomsday. They're fearmongers. They've been fearmongers for close to 40 years. And that just so happened to coincide with the rise of helicopter parenting. Fear based parenting. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that Americans have gotten tired of them crying wolf.

But the sad thing is we're addicted to fear at this point.

If we don't fear what the media is saying then we fear the government. If we don't fear that we fear fear itself. Naturally resistant to anything that might scare us.


I've been watching for a long time and it seems like most folk really don't know how to be happy. They're substituting work or going out or something with being happy. Having half the country shut down, as far as their lifestyle is concerned, is literally depriving them of happiness.

And that is the result of yet more propaganda...

If you wanted to induce a midlife crisis for an entire country... think this is a pretty good way to do it.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26643482 - 05/02/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Ahab McBathsalts said:
Anne Frank had to hid in an attic for 2 years eating rotten tulip bulbs and America loses their shit when they have to stay at home for another couple of weeks.




Great post.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26643487 - 05/02/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

America's lack of virus strategy is looking a lot more like pull and pray method. 50% of the time it works everytime.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26643488 - 05/02/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

They told me I had to wear pants, fuck that shit.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26643489 - 05/02/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The quack in your video doesn't think viruses exist at all.

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro] * 2
    #26643493 - 05/02/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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oculodextro said:

Thank you! I can't believe that I'm risking my life for fucking idiots.




Dont be so entitled, you aint risking your life for no one. its your choice. I know people who would rather have a job and risk losing their life in order to provide for their family than to die anyway as a consequence of not being able to perceive an income.

You can quit your job if you wish and stay home with no money and food, aint no one forcing at gun point to keep your job.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Double] * 1
    #26643496 - 05/02/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OSHA and the entire labour movement of the 20th century would disagree with you. Lucky children getting to earn an income in the mines to provide for their families. Who cares if the little orphans die? They got the black lung like good workers


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26643503 - 05/02/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

children are not capable of making those decisions. we are adults here


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Double]
    #26643510 - 05/02/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nursing homes, Amazon, grocery stores, delivery services etc are all hiring like crazy right now.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: feevers]
    #26643526 - 05/02/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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feevers said:
Nursing homes, Amazon, grocery stores, delivery services etc are all hiring like crazy right now.



this is very good.

I would like to specify that the people im referring to are people who need to work on the daily to be able survive and provide for their families in countries like Peru, which is where im from.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Double] * 1
    #26643538 - 05/02/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Double said:
Quote:

oculodextro said:

Thank you! I can't believe that I'm risking my life for fucking idiots.




Dont be so entitled, you aint risking your life for no one. its your choice. I know people who would rather have a job and risk losing their life in order to provide for their family than to die anyway as a consequence of not being able to perceive an income.

You can quit your job if you wish and stay home with no money and food, aint no one forcing at gun point to keep your job.





Well guess what people die if I don't do my job. Unlike, a lot of jobs in the country. I can't work remotely, I'm helping patients. But, the majority are ungrateful and complaining that I need to take their temperature or ask them screening questions if they are sick.

I have every right to refuse care to patients that refuse to comply. You don't want to wear mask, don't want your temperature taken cause of your liberties. FUCK OFF!

But i'm done even trying to reason with people.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26643583 - 05/02/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still digging out those corners of sex wax.

There are reports, believable or not, of medical professionals being advised to write in Covid as a 'code', like any other cause of death.

Gonna go grab a shovel for all this was.

Here.

https://medicalboard.iowa.gov/document/guidelines-reporting-and-certifying-covid-19-deaths

"Guidelines for Reporting and Certifying COVID-19 Deaths
Date:
04/07/2020
Document File:
PDF icon announcement_md_covid19-20200406.pdf

HIDE DOCUMENT TEXT VERSION
Guidelines for Reporting and Certifying COVID-19 Deaths
Reporting
Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. We ask that all deaths use the standard terminology COVID-19.

Important Instructions: All deaths suspected or confirmed of COVID-19 must be reported to the medical examiner. Once details of the case are reviewed, the medical examiner will determine if an investigation will be started or jurisdiction declined. Additional details are available in the Vital Update released on March 12, 2020.

Completing the Cause of Death
ALL positive test results for COVID-19 must be documented on the COD

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause of death?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.

If COVID-19 is confirmed by a positive test, the underlying cause of death should be COVID-19.

- If COVID-19 is diagnosed clinically but testing was not performed or results were not obtained, Probable or Presumed COVID-19 should be the underlying cause of death.

Documenting
IF TESTING OCCURRED, AND TEST RESULTS ARE AVAILABLE – THE RESULTS SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED ON THE RECORD.

How to Report UNCONFIRMED Cases
Laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates, however it is imperative that all information be documented for deaths when the Coronavirus Disease 2019, (COVID-19) is suspected. Clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 is an important component to determining the specific strain of the Coronavirus Disease.

The following terminology should be used to describe the status of the COVID-19 testing.

COVID-19 testing is PENDING
COVID-19 is Suspected - testing was REJECTED
COVID-19 is Suspected - testing was NOT POSSIBLE
COVID-19 NOT SUSPECTED
If you are a Medical Examiner (ME) or ME-Investigator, this information should be documented on the ME Med. History tab of the Electronic Medical Examiner Report (EMER).

Other medical certifiers will use the “Notes” feature to document information directly in the Electronic Death Registration System (EDRS). Instructions are on the next page.

Use the “Notes” feature to document in the EDRS.

Detailed guidance on how to complete the cause of death section on the death certificate is available on the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) website COVID-19 Alerts and information.

How to Add Notes to a Death Record
Open the Death Record
Click on Manner/Cause Tab
Click on the Other Significant Conditions Contributing to Death field
Right Click using the mouse
Click Notes – on the dropdown list
Notes window opens – Click “NEW”
Type your notes in the lower field (sample verbiage)
Save and Close
Helpful Hint: If you want to ensure the note was saved. Right click mouse – Select Notes – the Notes window will open to allow review of entry.

Tracking/Analyzing Data
New ICD Code for a Confirmed COVID-19 Death A new ICD code that has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019, (COVID-19), is U07.1; this code will be used for all confirmed deaths due to COVID-19.

A new ICD Code should be reported for COVID-19 deaths."



PA.gov › health › DocumentsPDF
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SRN 2020-02 COVID-19 for Coroners - Health.Pa.gov

"Reporting final cause of death

Within 24 hours or the receipt of laboratory results confirming covid19, the report of death shall be amended in EDRS. For public health surveillance purposes, it is important to emphasize that covid19 must be reported as the cause of death where coronavirus disease 2019 caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to the deaths. This is consistent with terminology used by WHO.

Proper specifications and detail of chain of events leading to death in part 1 of the report of death is also important. For example, in cases where covid19 causes pneumonia and fatal respiratory distress, both pneumonia and respiratory distress should be included along with covid19."


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26643589 - 05/02/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

People ask why death numbers for The virus is so high.

Maybe because medical professionals filling out death slips have almost been forced to add covid19 to that list.

So, let's single out Covid and shine a flash light on those numbers some more and continue to ignore a multitude of reasons people die, but add covid as cause of death because of positive test results.

:shakeface:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26643627 - 05/02/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

yall r tards


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26643673 - 05/02/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
People ask why death numbers for The virus is so high.

Maybe because medical professionals filling out death slips have almost been forced to add covid19 to that list.

So, let's single out Covid and shine a flash light on those numbers some more and continue to ignore a multitude of reasons people die, but add covid as cause of death because of positive test results.

:shakeface:



Prove that


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26643688 - 05/02/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
Quote:

HamHead said:
People ask why death numbers for The virus is so high.

Maybe because medical professionals filling out death slips have almost been forced to add covid19 to that list.

So, let's single out Covid and shine a flash light on those numbers some more and continue to ignore a multitude of reasons people die, but add covid as cause of death because of positive test results.

:shakeface:



Prove that




I already have. Must not have looked at my last wall of text. Here, I'll highlight.

Maybe it will be read this time around. There's two states there, Pennsylvania and Iowa.


Quote:

HamHead said:
https://medicalboard.iowa.gov/document/guidelines-reporting-and-certifying-covid-19-deaths

"Guidelines for Reporting and Certifying COVID-19 Deaths
Date:
04/07/2020
Document File:
PDF icon announcement_md_covid19-20200406.pdf

HIDE DOCUMENT TEXT VERSION
Guidelines for Reporting and Certifying COVID-19 Deaths
Reporting
Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. We ask that all deaths use the standard terminology COVID-19.

Important Instructions: All deaths suspected or confirmed of COVID-19 must be reported to the medical examiner. Once details of the case are reviewed, the medical examiner will determine if an investigation will be started or jurisdiction declined. Additional details are available in the Vital Update released on March 12, 2020.

Completing the Cause of Death
ALL positive test results for COVID-19 must be documented on the COD

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause of death?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.

If COVID-19 is confirmed by a positive test, the underlying cause of death should be COVID-19.

- If COVID-19 is diagnosed clinically but testing was not performed or results were not obtained, Probable or Presumed COVID-19 should be the underlying cause of death.

Documenting
IF TESTING OCCURRED, AND TEST RESULTS ARE AVAILABLE – THE RESULTS SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED ON THE RECORD.

How to Report UNCONFIRMED Cases
Laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates, however it is imperative that all information be documented for deaths when the Coronavirus Disease 2019, (COVID-19) is suspected. Clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 is an important component to determining the specific strain of the Coronavirus Disease.

The following terminology should be used to describe the status of the COVID-19 testing.

COVID-19 testing is PENDING
COVID-19 is Suspected - testing was REJECTED
COVID-19 is Suspected - testing was NOT POSSIBLE
COVID-19 NOT SUSPECTED
If you are a Medical Examiner (ME) or ME-Investigator, this information should be documented on the ME Med. History tab of the Electronic Medical Examiner Report (EMER).

Other medical certifiers will use the “Notes” feature to document information directly in the Electronic Death Registration System (EDRS). Instructions are on the next page.

Use the “Notes” feature to document in the EDRS.

Detailed guidance on how to complete the cause of death section on the death certificate is available on the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) website COVID-19 Alerts and information.

How to Add Notes to a Death Record
Open the Death Record
Click on Manner/Cause Tab
Click on the Other Significant Conditions Contributing to Death field
Right Click using the mouse
Click Notes – on the dropdown list
Notes window opens – Click “NEW”
Type your notes in the lower field (sample verbiage)
Save and Close
Helpful Hint: If you want to ensure the note was saved. Right click mouse – Select Notes – the Notes window will open to allow review of entry.

Tracking/Analyzing Data
New ICD Code for a Confirmed COVID-19 Death A new ICD code that has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019, (COVID-19), is U07.1; this code will be used for all confirmed deaths due to COVID-19.

A new ICD Code should be reported for COVID-19 deaths."



PA.gov › health › DocumentsPDF
Web results
SRN 2020-02 COVID-19 for Coroners - Health.Pa.gov

"Reporting final cause of death

Within 24 hours or the receipt of laboratory results confirming covid19, the report of death shall be amended in EDRS. For public health surveillance purposes, it is important to emphasize that covid19 must be reported as the cause of death where coronavirus disease 2019 caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to the deaths. This is consistent with terminology used by WHO.

Proper specifications and detail of chain of events leading to death in part 1 of the report of death is also important. For example, in cases where covid19 causes pneumonia and fatal respiratory distress, both pneumonia and respiratory distress should be included along with covid19."





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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26643695 - 05/02/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In Paris the daily death rate has doubled from their typical death rate. Rates are rocketing in the US too. I'm sure that's just all part of the hoax.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26643810 - 05/02/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No way in hell I am paying for a mask that used to be under a dollar and now 8 dollars.  Plus all the new pharm cartels ripping off people with the latest drug.  Fuck them.


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