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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
#26996674 - 10/21/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: Population of Sweden 10 million, population of America: 331 million pretty radically big difference on how complicated covid prevention is 
Why? No mask mandates vs mandatory mask, open businesses vs stay at home orders, schools open vs closed schools. This sort of study can be done on a city to city basis, where one city implies strict measures while another does not.
Here's India. The current population of India is 1,384,048,939 as of Monday, October 19, 2020. 116k deaths.

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lifeiswhatyoumake said: HamHead, like Ice9 said, give it up. You lost this mask argument. They work. It's simple science. You're really making yourself look stupid and like a caveman by going against it.
Appreciate your insults, added to the stock pile. I won't give up until a day where I am not forced to wear a mask. Until then, I will defend my position.
Also, I don't EVER recall telling people not to wear masks, if I have, please post a link showing verbatim me saying not to.
I am sharing information showing mask may not be as effective as they are being advocated. And it's not only me, there are many others who refuse to wear mask, even professional doctors.
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koods said: It’s more than him looking bad. He’s getting people killed. If you are out there trying to discourage people from wearing masks, you are contributing to the deaths of thousands of people. If he was telling people they should drink and drive, people would be outraged. Well, that’s essentially what he’s doing. We should be treating him like we would treat a drunk driving advocate. It’s not a bad look. It’s evil. He’s not a good person.
And this is ridiculous. How am I getting people killed?
If this were the case, Sweden would have seen many, many, MANY more deaths, because they did not wear mask.
South Dakota would have seen many, many, MANY more deaths because they did not wear mask.
People are making this out to be like a breath of death, where if someone is not wearing a mask, they are breathing out deadly gasses that outright kills people when they breath it in.
Data is out, 99.9% survival rate, mask or not, it's not as lethal as it's being made out to be. Remember 94% have on average 2.6 underlying comorbidities.
Take care of your health, eat your vitamins and don't drink and drive.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996685 - 10/21/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: https://denverite.com/2020/05/01/denver-youre-going-to-have-to-start-wearing-face-masks-when-youre-out/
Until further notice?
Like, seriously, what the fuck?
$999 fine.
If you can't see this blatant control grab, I don't know what else to say.
Wake the fuck up people!
Masks are the power grab you're worried about?
Does shutting down the country and forcing people into poverty concern you as well?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: stzacrack]
#26996691 - 10/21/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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stzacrack said:
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HamHead said: https://denverite.com/2020/05/01/denver-youre-going-to-have-to-start-wearing-face-masks-when-youre-out/
Until further notice?
Like, seriously, what the fuck?
$999 fine.
If you can't see this blatant control grab, I don't know what else to say.
Wake the fuck up people!
Masks are the power grab you're worried about?
Does shutting down the country and forcing people into poverty concern you as well?
Absolutely!
Deaths of despair is a big problem.
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Those who comply, consent. If masks become law, what will be next, a vaccine? Will I be required to take a vaccine like I am required to wear a mask?
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] 1
#26996727 - 10/21/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
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stzacrack said:
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HamHead said: https://denverite.com/2020/05/01/denver-youre-going-to-have-to-start-wearing-face-masks-when-youre-out/
Until further notice?
Like, seriously, what the fuck?
$999 fine.
If you can't see this blatant control grab, I don't know what else to say.
Wake the fuck up people!
Masks are the power grab you're worried about?
Does shutting down the country and forcing people into poverty concern you as well?
Absolutely!
Deaths of despair is a big problem.
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Those who comply, consent. If masks become law, what will be next, a vaccine? Will I be required to take a vaccine like I am required to wear a mask?
your logical fallacy is slippery slope You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen. The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#26996784 - 10/21/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said:
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HamHead said:
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stzacrack said:
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HamHead said: https://denverite.com/2020/05/01/denver-youre-going-to-have-to-start-wearing-face-masks-when-youre-out/
Until further notice?
Like, seriously, what the fuck?
$999 fine.
If you can't see this blatant control grab, I don't know what else to say.
Wake the fuck up people!
Masks are the power grab you're worried about?
Does shutting down the country and forcing people into poverty concern you as well?
Absolutely!
Deaths of despair is a big problem.
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Those who comply, consent. If masks become law, what will be next, a vaccine? Will I be required to take a vaccine like I am required to wear a mask?
your logical fallacy is slippery slope You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen. The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
I agree.
So let's engage at the issue at hand, Coronavirus 19, a virus that causes covid 19.
What are we fighting again, is it a virus or a disease? Sure, viruses cause disease, similar to how HIV causes AIDS, no?
The way I'm thinking about it in these moments I type this, if the disease is able to be treated, there should be less of a worry about the virus spreading. We were all told to flatten the curve, to help hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, due to ignorance, period. Now that more information about treatments and when is better to begin treatments, propaganda should be used to spread valuable information about vitamins and healthy lifestyle choices.
Then, maybe, we can all live with coronavirus 19 and not worry about covid 19 disease because we will be able to effectively treat confirmed cases.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996792 - 10/21/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: there are many others who refuse to wear mask
I've noticed a correlation in those who 'refuse' to wear a mask; they're the kind of people who care not or recognize not the suffering of others.
For what reason, I cannot fathom, but it's not normal or healthy human behaviour.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26996826 - 10/21/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: there are many others who refuse to wear mask
I've noticed a correlation in those who 'refuse' to wear a mask; they're the kind of people who care not or recognize not the suffering of others.
For what reason, I cannot fathom, but it's not normal or healthy human behaviour.
https://www.oann.com/doctors-speak-out-against-masks/
Doctors are not normal or healthy humans?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996829 - 10/21/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: mndfreeze]
#26996833 - 10/21/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Your sources are garbage.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-america-news-network/
Why? Because they're conservative?
Let's listen to the surgeon General then.
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/covid-19-these-doctors-are-saying-face-masks-may-do-more-harm-than-good/ar-BB10HJyw
There ya go, MSN, are they left enough for ya?
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An infection prevention specialist, Dr Eli Perencevich, has said that healthy people should not wear masks at all — whether surgical masks, N95 masks, or respirator masks.
Dr Perencevich said: “The average healthy person does not need to have a mask, and they shouldn’t be wearing masks. There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them. They wear them incorrectly, and they can increase the risk of infection because they’re touching their face more often.”
He added: “Wearing a mask is tricky because it can create a false sense of security. If you don’t wash your hands before you take off the mask and after you take off your mask, you could increase your risk.”
To note, I'm not telling you not to wear masks. This infection prevention specialist is. His name is Dr. Perencevich. Not HamHead.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996854 - 10/21/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Your sources are garbage.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-america-news-network/
Why? Because they're conservative?
Let's listen to the surgeon General then.
https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/covid-19-these-doctors-are-saying-face-masks-may-do-more-harm-than-good/ar-BB10HJyw
There ya go, MSN, are they left enough for ya?
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An infection prevention specialist, Dr Eli Perencevich, has said that healthy people should not wear masks at all — whether surgical masks, N95 masks, or respirator masks.
Dr Perencevich said: “The average healthy person does not need to have a mask, and they shouldn’t be wearing masks. There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them. They wear them incorrectly, and they can increase the risk of infection because they’re touching their face more often.”
He added: “Wearing a mask is tricky because it can create a false sense of security. If you don’t wash your hands before you take off the mask and after you take off your mask, you could increase your risk.”
To note, I'm not telling you not to wear masks. This infection prevention specialist is. His name is Dr. Perencevich. Not HamHead.
https://twitter.com/eliowa?lang=en
Dr. Eli Perencevich Twitter, care to see how his views might have evolved since the start of the pandemic (the article you linked was from march) to now?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
#26996859 - 10/21/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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*GASP*
Pinned Tweet 𝙀𝙡𝙞 𝙋𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙫𝙞𝙘𝙝 Raised back of hand SoapFace with medical mask @eliowa I’ll be off twitter until after the election. Going to focus on things I can control. Stay safe. And I hope things are better on the other side - rain for the West Coast and masks on all faces. Peace 11:46 AM · Sep 11, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
#26996863 - 10/21/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm getting shit for sources and I'm directed to a Twitter feed?

ID doc & Epidemiologist | Prof @IntMedatIowa
I imagine if he had held his original position, he would no longer be a professor.
Sort of like how I wear a mask at work so I don't get fired?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996865 - 10/21/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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that source is literally just the person who said it
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996866 - 10/21/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: I'm getting shit for sources and I'm directed to a Twitter feed?

Don't be obtuse, it is the verified account of the good doctor whose quote from the 3rd of March you used. It's amazing how when we encounter a novel virus, information about it changes rapidly as do experts opinion as more information is learned about the new pathogen.
Nice edit there champ, and you think he changed his position because he didn't want to get fired... I went to grad school at UofI, trust me he wasn't getting fired, also he's tenured, so he is double not getting fired. If he held his original views probably would have gotten a raise with the downside of losing all credibility amongst one's peers.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
#26996873 - 10/21/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: I'm getting shit for sources and I'm directed to a Twitter feed?

Don't be obtuse, it is the verified account of the good doctor whose quote from the 3rd of March you used. It's amazing how when we encounter a novel virus, information about it changes rapidly as do experts opinion as more information is learned about the new pathogen.
It is amazing how people toe a line when their jobs are on it.
Dr. Oz. Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew.
All went against the grain and shortly after posted apologies, because they would have lost their reputation for speaking their opinions.
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#26996878 - 10/21/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every day is a new day of Hamhead grasping at any frayed thread he can to just be argumentative and not be wrong.
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#26996881 - 10/21/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dr. Oz. Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew.
All went against the grain and shortly after posted apologies, because they would have lost their reputation for speaking their opinions.
Now there's a team of people who I want to get my infectious disease information from.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996882 - 10/21/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doctors are not normal or healthy humans?
Having a profession doth not a healthy human make.
You seem completely unable to grasp such basic common sense as this.
Anyway, I thought you 'refused' to wear mask?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: feevers]
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26996884 - 10/21/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead said: I'm getting shit for sources and I'm directed to a Twitter feed?

Don't be obtuse, it is the verified account of the good doctor whose quote from the 3rd of March you used. It's amazing how when we encounter a novel virus, information about it changes rapidly as do experts opinion as more information is learned about the new pathogen.
It is amazing how people toe a line when their jobs are on it.
Dr. Oz. Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew.
All went against the grain and shortly after posted apologies, because they would have lost their reputation for speaking their opinions.
How do you know his job was on the line, care to be a pickle and back that up? Face, just cut bait on this guy and move on to your next incompetent take.
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