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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
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Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study T G Tunevall. World J Surg. May-Jun 1991.
It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.
You posted this before, it was thoroughly dissected and proven you took this portion out of context.
I've never posted this.
Science is mixed when it comes to mask effectiveness.
Sweden, as well as other places, have no mask mandates.

Look at that, deaths are flat. No mask.
Sweden has one of the highest covid mortality rates in the world. You keep providing evidence that not only doesn’t help support your case, but that strongly makes the opposite case. You do this a lot. I’ve actualy never seen it before this consistently. You did it with South Dakota.
What’s really interesting is that you are so determined to promote your hypothesis, the actual evidence you present doesn’t matter. You don’t seem to think about it all.
I know you get a lot of insults but Jesus Christ dude you absolutely suck at this. Understanding scientific arguments requires a little reprogramming of our natural instincts. If you don’t work at understanding how your instincts will tend to sabotage your efforts, you’re not going to know when your thinking has been sabotaged. Part of studying science isn’t learning facts it’s learning the process of thinking that will lead you to the truth. You have done none of that and your results are fucking garbage dude. Your posts are insults to anyone who actually made the effort. Get bent.
In Sweden big part of those numbers is old people with covid given eutanasia with out consent. So that much about that death rate. General palliative order. Doctors did not even give it irl but via messages to nurses to proceed.
This is all checkable and fact checked. Investigation about this is ongoing in Sweden by Swedish goverment how was this even possible.
Some nurses did not take this as normal way to treat elders and made it public.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26995710 - 10/21/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26995713 - 10/21/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So this is prime example about how the numbers got pulled up. This whole case is documented so no conspiracy bs here.
Real numbers without murdering elders are lower.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26995725 - 10/21/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-10-14/why-africa-has-seen-such-low-covid-19-death-rates
The most obvious factor for the low death rates is the population-age structure. Across multiple countries, the risk of dying from COVID-19 for those aged 80 years or more is around a hundred times that of people in their twenties.
This can best be appreciated with a specific example. As of September 30, the UK had reported 41,980 COVID-19 deaths, while Kenya, by contrast, had reported 691. The population of the UK is around 66 million people, with a median age of 40 — compared with Kenya’s population of 51 million, with a median age of 20.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26995739 - 10/21/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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And because morrowasted was calling me liar about this one. And Asante blocked me from main thread because he wants only professionlas and himself and his spiritguide posting there here is picture of said general palliative order. Shows all so the coctail given.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11433976
Second pic of article. Did not let me upload because too big.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26995779 - 10/21/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: And because morrowasted was calling me liar about this one. And Asante blocked me from main thread because he wants only professionlas and himself and his spiritguide posting there here is picture of said general palliative order. Shows all so the coctail given.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11433976
Second pic of article. Did not let me upload because too big.
I wish I could read that, looks interesting with morfin as the first listed. I imagine that's morphine?
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26995800 - 10/21/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It’s like you guys don’t understand what palliative care entails.....
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26995831 - 10/21/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand the concept. First patient died in my arms month a go. Please. But when giving somebody Euthanasia cocktail without consent or knowledge what they are give is MURDER you know?
Those people were denied hospital and oxygen and give following cocktail:
Morfin 10mg/ml injection dosage 2.5-10mg Haldol 5mg/ml injection dosage 1-2mg Midazalom 5mg/ml injection dosage 2.5-5mg Robinul 0.2mg/ml dosage 0.2mg Furix 10mg/ml dosage 20-40mg
This is Euthanasia cocktail by the way, not standard palliative medication.
Google those drugs and that combination and lets talk more after that ok?
Without asking from them, without telling them what is it. No family members were informed.
One nurse told story how one patient asked "what are you injecting in me?" "vitamins" was the answer
investigation going on about this in Sweden now by Swedish government.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26995815 More about the subject and english articles about this. All so links to public Swedish government owned media here talking about this.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26995839 - 10/21/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL my thread was moved to conspiracy in 5 minutes.
Funny thing is that the data is from Swedish and Finnish Government owned public media. Is it really that you cannot post data that is from reputable source if it does not fit admin/mods view of how this pandemia is going on.
Fucking ridicilous I say
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
#26995857 - 10/21/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: And because morrowasted was calling me liar about this one. And Asante blocked me from main thread because he wants only professionlas and himself and his spiritguide posting there here is picture of said general palliative order. Shows all so the coctail given.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11433976
Second pic of article. Did not let me upload because too big.
I wish I could read that, looks interesting with morfin as the first listed. I imagine that's morphine?
Yep morfin and other drugs.
Il get somebody to translate it to you. Might take day or two but will post it in here. My swedish sucks so have to ask somebody else.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] 1
#26996329 - 10/21/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HamHead, like Ice9 said, give it up. You lost this mask argument. They work. It's simple science. You're really making yourself look stupid and like a caveman by going against it.
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It’s more than him looking bad. He’s getting people killed. If you are out there trying to discourage people from wearing masks, you are contributing to the deaths of thousands of people. If he was telling people they should drink and drive, people would be outraged. Well, that’s essentially what he’s doing. We should be treating him like we would treat a drunk driving advocate. It’s not a bad look. It’s evil. He’s not a good person.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
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I agree with you.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#26996442 - 10/21/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's very easy to translate using Google Chrome. Took 30 seconds:
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"Morphine has accelerated deaths in elderly coronary patients in Sweden" - Nurse Sonja Aspinen talks about her shocking experiences Aspinen believes that most of the deaths of the elderly could have been avoided. The authority considers that Sweden has succeeded well.
STOCKHOLM Respiratory paralytic morphine has been prescribed in elderly patients with coronavirus disease in Sweden. In addition, they have not been given extra oxygen(you switch to another service).
Doctors have routinely made decisions about switching to end-of-life medication. These decisions have been made without even seeing the patient.
Among other things, such cases have been made public in Swedish nursing homes. Based on the cases, care for the elderly who have been infected with the corona has been neglected.
Relatives, doctors and nurses have been consulted about the cases. Yngve Gustafson, a professor of geriatrics, has regarded the situation as giving active death aid.(you switch to another service)
Throughout the pandemic, Finnish nurse Sonja Aspinen has cared for elderly people with corona in nursing homes in the Greater Stockholm area.
Aspinen has worked in Sweden as a nurse since the 1990s. He tours through the recruitment agency Ingria, which he owns in different departments of the nursing home.
Prescription in the hand of Sonja Aspinen. Sonja Aspinen shows a palliative prescription, which includes morphine and sedatives, among other things. The Aspinen package is routinely deployed. Daniel Ivarsson / Yle Aspinen is familiar with the method described in the cases that have come to light.
- There has been a palliative general prescription that facilitates the last moments of a dying patient with medication, Aspinen says.
According to him, the order includes a strong painkiller, sedatives and dehydrator. The drug mixture may include, for example, morphine and midazolam, one of the benzodiazepines.
These medications have been routinely prescribed by doctors. According to Aspinen, this was not the case at the beginning of the pandemic, but for about a month and a half this has been a systematic practice.
As a justification, caregivers have been told that all coronary patients in nursing homes are terminally ill.
- I completely disagree. Age is not a disease. The elderly should have been given a chance to survive, Aspinen says.
Breathing difficulties are an essential part of coronavirus disease when the disease has progressed to the lungs.
- Morphine makes breathing more difficult. I've seen it myself. I have given morphine prescribed to the patient and the patient's death is accelerated.
Although Sweden has failed to protect the elderly, Aspinen considers Sweden to be a very good country to work as a nurse. Sonja Aspinen says that often doctors have prescribed end-of-life medication over the phone. They have not come to assess the patient's condition. Frida Lönnroos / Yle "Death has been hastened" The public has been told that doctors have made decisions about switching to end-of-life medication over the phone and without seeing the patient.
In nursing homes where Aspinen has been working in the spring, doctors have not done weekly visits at all. The instructions have been given without the patient having been examined and assessed by a doctor.
- I am often asked by doctors to communicate relevant and justify the prescriptions for them. Not everyone has agreed.
- We caregivers have had to talk to relatives and stand behind these regulations, even though we have not accepted them ethically.
There has also been a lot of talk in Sweden about the denial of supplemental oxygen to elderly people with corona in nursing homes.
- This has happened very often. It has not been tested whether the body could initiate recovery. That possibility has not even been tested, Aspinen says.
Hospitals have provided oxygen, but not all nursing homes have the ability to provide supplemental oxygen or trained nurses to provide it.
- With this medication and without the administration of supplemental oxygen, I feel that the deaths of elderly patients have been accelerated. Of course, this treatment is not called by name.
??? The main goal of the Swedish coronal line has been to protect the elderly and those at risk. Frida Lönnroos / Yle "Most deaths could have been avoided" The prescribing of morphine and sedatives has been publicly advocated for keeping the patient calm.
This has been thought of, for example, in dementia patients who do not understand why they need to remain isolated from others.
Aspinen says he understands this aspect of the matter. He also believes there has been pressure from doctors to show that there has been some attempt to treat patients.
However, he strongly believes that the elderly would have had a right to a chance to survive. Treatment could have been attempted, for example, by providing supplemental oxygen, instillation, and anti-inflammatory drugs.
- An elderly patient may also recover from a disease caused by the coronavirus. Most of these deaths in the elderly in Sweden could have been avoided.
Aspinen has raised the issue of care for the elderly in the past during the corona pandemic. He has experienced that the elderly have paid a high price for the Swedish coronal line.
Read more: Nurse Sonja Aspinen sees the reverse of Sweden's corona strategy in her work: “The elderly have been sacrificed”
In Sweden, more than 5,400 people have died from corona. About half of them have lived in nursing homes.
Thomas Linden Thomas Lindén, head of the social services department, estimates that nursing homes have been very successful in a corona pandemic. For him, it is possible that mistakes have been made in individual cases. Daniel Ivarsson / Yle Authority: “Sweden has done well” Thomas Lindén, Head of the Social Affairs Board, disagrees with the situation. For him, the care of elderly coronary patients has not been neglected.
- Everything that has been possible has been done in front of patients in nursing homes. I think Sweden has been very successful, Lindén tells Yle.
Lindén says that, in his view, Sweden has been as successful in its corona operations as in the treatment of the annual norovirus or seasonal flu.
According to Lindén, 11,000 people have died in nursing homes in the first four months of the year .(you switch to another service) In the corresponding period last year, the figure was 10,000.
Lindén does not share the view that the deaths of elderly coronary patients have been accelerated.
- It is possible that things have been done in the wrong way and in individual cases the circumstances have not been right. However, I do not think this is the whole picture, but the elderly have received good care in nursing homes throughout the corona pandemic.
Lindén says that not all nursing homes have wanted to keep extra oxygen on their premises. If needed, units have thought of taking patients to a hospital or health center.
In the opinion of the head of the department of the Social Government, it does not mean neglect of treatment if the doctor has remotely issued an order to switch to end-of-life medication.
- The rule is that if the patient is familiar to the doctor, the decision to switch to palliative medication can be made over the phone, says Lindén.
The cases of nursing homes that have come to light have sparked much debate in Sweden.
There has also been criticism that coronary patients in nursing homes have rarely been hospitalized for advanced treatment.
The Swedish supervisory authority has begun to investigate the situation.
In addition, a commission was set up in Sweden at the end of June to examine the management of the entire interest rate crisis. The first part of the study will be completed in the autumn and a final report will be issued by the end of February 2022.
The Commission has also been tasked with finding out what has happened in nursing homes for the treatment of elderly coronary patients.
You can discuss the topic on Wednesday, July 8th. until 11 p.m.
Correction 6.7.2020 at 17.18: Yngve Gustafson's title changed from Professor of Geriatrics to Professor of Geriatrics.
More on this topic:
Nurse Sonja Aspinen sees the reverse of Sweden's corona strategy in her work: “The elderly have been sacrificed”
Southern Sweden is a glimmer of light in the country's corona situation - Doctor: "If the rest of the country had been done like in Skåne, lives would have been saved
In Sweden, a commission was set up to investigate the management of the interest rate crisis from the municipal level to the government
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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LeningradCowboy said: Il get somebody to translate it to you. Might take day or two but will post it in here. My swedish sucks so have to ask somebody else.
It's very easy to translate using Google Chrome. Took 30 seconds:
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"Morphine has accelerated deaths in elderly coronary patients in Sweden" - Nurse Sonja Aspinen talks about her shocking experiences Aspinen believes that most of the deaths of the elderly could have been avoided. The authority considers that Sweden has succeeded well.
STOCKHOLM Respiratory paralytic morphine has been prescribed in elderly patients with coronavirus disease in Sweden. In addition, they have not been given extra oxygen(you switch to another service).
Doctors have routinely made decisions about switching to end-of-life medication. These decisions have been made without even seeing the patient.
Among other things, such cases have been made public in Swedish nursing homes. Based on the cases, care for the elderly who have been infected with the corona has been neglected.
Relatives, doctors and nurses have been consulted about the cases. Yngve Gustafson, a professor of geriatrics, has regarded the situation as giving active death aid.(you switch to another service)
Throughout the pandemic, Finnish nurse Sonja Aspinen has cared for elderly people with corona in nursing homes in the Greater Stockholm area.
Aspinen has worked in Sweden as a nurse since the 1990s. He tours through the recruitment agency Ingria, which he owns in different departments of the nursing home.
Prescription in the hand of Sonja Aspinen. Sonja Aspinen shows a palliative prescription, which includes morphine and sedatives, among other things. The Aspinen package is routinely deployed. Daniel Ivarsson / Yle Aspinen is familiar with the method described in the cases that have come to light.
- There has been a palliative general prescription that facilitates the last moments of a dying patient with medication, Aspinen says.
According to him, the order includes a strong painkiller, sedatives and dehydrator. The drug mixture may include, for example, morphine and midazolam, one of the benzodiazepines.
These medications have been routinely prescribed by doctors. According to Aspinen, this was not the case at the beginning of the pandemic, but for about a month and a half this has been a systematic practice.
As a justification, caregivers have been told that all coronary patients in nursing homes are terminally ill.
- I completely disagree. Age is not a disease. The elderly should have been given a chance to survive, Aspinen says.
Breathing difficulties are an essential part of coronavirus disease when the disease has progressed to the lungs.
- Morphine makes breathing more difficult. I've seen it myself. I have given morphine prescribed to the patient and the patient's death is accelerated.
Although Sweden has failed to protect the elderly, Aspinen considers Sweden to be a very good country to work as a nurse. Sonja Aspinen says that often doctors have prescribed end-of-life medication over the phone. They have not come to assess the patient's condition. Frida Lönnroos / Yle "Death has been hastened" The public has been told that doctors have made decisions about switching to end-of-life medication over the phone and without seeing the patient.
In nursing homes where Aspinen has been working in the spring, doctors have not done weekly visits at all. The instructions have been given without the patient having been examined and assessed by a doctor.
- I am often asked by doctors to communicate relevant and justify the prescriptions for them. Not everyone has agreed.
- We caregivers have had to talk to relatives and stand behind these regulations, even though we have not accepted them ethically.
There has also been a lot of talk in Sweden about the denial of supplemental oxygen to elderly people with corona in nursing homes.
- This has happened very often. It has not been tested whether the body could initiate recovery. That possibility has not even been tested, Aspinen says.
Hospitals have provided oxygen, but not all nursing homes have the ability to provide supplemental oxygen or trained nurses to provide it.
- With this medication and without the administration of supplemental oxygen, I feel that the deaths of elderly patients have been accelerated. Of course, this treatment is not called by name.
??? The main goal of the Swedish coronal line has been to protect the elderly and those at risk. Frida Lönnroos / Yle "Most deaths could have been avoided" The prescribing of morphine and sedatives has been publicly advocated for keeping the patient calm.
This has been thought of, for example, in dementia patients who do not understand why they need to remain isolated from others.
Aspinen says he understands this aspect of the matter. He also believes there has been pressure from doctors to show that there has been some attempt to treat patients.
However, he strongly believes that the elderly would have had a right to a chance to survive. Treatment could have been attempted, for example, by providing supplemental oxygen, instillation, and anti-inflammatory drugs.
- An elderly patient may also recover from a disease caused by the coronavirus. Most of these deaths in the elderly in Sweden could have been avoided.
Aspinen has raised the issue of care for the elderly in the past during the corona pandemic. He has experienced that the elderly have paid a high price for the Swedish coronal line.
Read more: Nurse Sonja Aspinen sees the reverse of Sweden's corona strategy in her work: “The elderly have been sacrificed”
In Sweden, more than 5,400 people have died from corona. About half of them have lived in nursing homes.
Thomas Linden Thomas Lindén, head of the social services department, estimates that nursing homes have been very successful in a corona pandemic. For him, it is possible that mistakes have been made in individual cases. Daniel Ivarsson / Yle Authority: “Sweden has done well” Thomas Lindén, Head of the Social Affairs Board, disagrees with the situation. For him, the care of elderly coronary patients has not been neglected.
- Everything that has been possible has been done in front of patients in nursing homes. I think Sweden has been very successful, Lindén tells Yle.
Lindén says that, in his view, Sweden has been as successful in its corona operations as in the treatment of the annual norovirus or seasonal flu.
According to Lindén, 11,000 people have died in nursing homes in the first four months of the year .(you switch to another service) In the corresponding period last year, the figure was 10,000.
Lindén does not share the view that the deaths of elderly coronary patients have been accelerated.
- It is possible that things have been done in the wrong way and in individual cases the circumstances have not been right. However, I do not think this is the whole picture, but the elderly have received good care in nursing homes throughout the corona pandemic.
Lindén says that not all nursing homes have wanted to keep extra oxygen on their premises. If needed, units have thought of taking patients to a hospital or health center.
In the opinion of the head of the department of the Social Government, it does not mean neglect of treatment if the doctor has remotely issued an order to switch to end-of-life medication.
- The rule is that if the patient is familiar to the doctor, the decision to switch to palliative medication can be made over the phone, says Lindén.
The cases of nursing homes that have come to light have sparked much debate in Sweden.
There has also been criticism that coronary patients in nursing homes have rarely been hospitalized for advanced treatment.
The Swedish supervisory authority has begun to investigate the situation.
In addition, a commission was set up in Sweden at the end of June to examine the management of the entire interest rate crisis. The first part of the study will be completed in the autumn and a final report will be issued by the end of February 2022.
The Commission has also been tasked with finding out what has happened in nursing homes for the treatment of elderly coronary patients.
You can discuss the topic on Wednesday, July 8th. until 11 p.m.
Correction 6.7.2020 at 17.18: Yngve Gustafson's title changed from Professor of Geriatrics to Professor of Geriatrics.
More on this topic:
Nurse Sonja Aspinen sees the reverse of Sweden's corona strategy in her work: “The elderly have been sacrificed”
Southern Sweden is a glimmer of light in the country's corona situation - Doctor: "If the rest of the country had been done like in Skåne, lives would have been saved
In Sweden, a commission was set up to investigate the management of the interest rate crisis from the municipal level to the government
That does not translate the picture of said general order that is show in the article https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11433976 and shows the pharma coctail and proves what happened.
Forget one thing from the dosages
Morfin 10mg/ml injection dosage 2.5-10mg repeated after 15 min until wanted outcome is achieved Haldol 5mg/ml injection dosage 1-2mg Midazalom 5mg/ml injection dosage 2.5-5mg repeated after 20 min until wanted outcome is achieved Robinul 0.2mg/ml dosage 0.2mg Furix 10mg/ml dosage 20-40mg
But as I said my sweden sucks so going to get prober translation of this from somebody that speaks swedis as native. school toorrow and lot of nurses there who speak it fluently.
This is no conspiracy shit JSB no more. This is actual thing that happened. Please read those articles and tell me what you honestly think about that case.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26996498 - 10/21/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: This is no conspiracy shit JSB no more. This is actual thing that happened. Please read those articles and tell me what you honestly think about that case.
No, I don't care to get involved in all that. I was just trying to save you some time and do you a favour by translating now when you said it would take you a while to find the time. I have 0 interest in the actual content.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#26996521 - 10/21/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone who argues with HamHead is just perpetuating their own frustration.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#26996543 - 10/21/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for doing that
But was only meaning the actual order paper in picture but good you translated that one. Did not knew that google translate is in that level yet.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#26996569 - 10/21/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Did not knew that google translate is in that level yet.
It's fucking awesome man. Happy to help, and appreciate the thanks.
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