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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26995123 - 10/20/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The only reason they are watering down the language is because the White House is running the CDC like a political operation. Can’t be too forceful or the snowflakes start crying about tyranny.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
    #26995162 - 10/20/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
The only reason they are watering down the language is because the White House is running the CDC like a political operation. Can’t be too forceful or the snowflakes start crying about tyranny.




:pleasetellmemore:

Is that THE only reason, koods?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995176 - 10/20/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yup


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
    #26995214 - 10/20/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

Historical Use of Cloth Masks
During the early 20th century, various types of cloth masks (made of cotton, gauze, and other fabrics) were used in US hospitals. Rates of respiratory infections among healthcare workers who used masks made of 2–3 layers of gauze were low (5). Cloth masks were also used to protect healthcare workers from diphtheria and scarlet fever. During the 1918 Spanish influenza pandemic, masks made of various layers of cotton were widely used by healthcare workers and the general public. Gauze masks were used during the second Manchurian plague epidemic in 1920–1921 and a plague epidemic in Los Angeles in 1924; infection rates among healthcare workers who wore masks were low (6). During the 1930s and 1940s, gauze and cloth masks were also used by healthcare workers to protect themselves from tuberculosis (7). In the middle of the 20th century, after disposable medical masks had been developed, use of cloth masks decreased; however, cloth mask use is still widespread in many countries in Asia. During the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome in China, cotton masks were widely used by healthcare workers and the general public, and observational studies found them to be effective (8).

Studies of Cloth Mask Efficacy
In 2015, we conducted a randomized controlled trial to compare the efficacy of cloth masks with that of medical masks and controls (standard practice) among healthcare workers in Vietnam (4). Rates of infection were consistently higher among those in the cloth mask group than in the medical mask and control groups. This finding suggests that risk for infection was higher for those wearing cloth masks. The mask tested was a locally manufactured, double-layered cotton mask. Participants were given 5 cloth masks for a 4-week study period and were asked to wash the masks daily with soap and water (4). The poor performance may have been because the masks were not washed frequently enough or because they became moist and contaminated. Medical and cloth masks were used by some participants in the control group, but the poor performance of cloth masks persisted in post hoc analysis when we compared all participants who used medical masks (from the control and the medical mask groups) with all participants who used only a cloth mask (from the control and the cloth mask groups)(4).


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26995447 - 10/20/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Dude give it up, surgeons wear masks when they operate for a reason.  Everyone in the operating room wears a mask for a reason.  The science has been confirmed, over and over ad nauseum.

In a pandemic like this if you could get 100% compliance of proper mask wearing (clean mask, tightly secured, N95 if possible) and social distancing (we know it should be greater than 6 feet but they don't want to change the rules mid-crisis cause the morons think this means they were wrong about everything) and frequent hand washing and surface cleaning, the fucking thing would be over and done with already.

But you never get 100% compliance, nor do many people understand how to properly wear a mask, most people don't know masks need to be cleaned every night in at minimum 60C water, preferably with a detergent.

So what we instead get is a mash-up of people doing it right and understanding it, people trying to do it right but not understanding, people who do not wear masks properly(unintentionally), people who do not wear them proper (intentionally), and people who at any chance remove their mask.

This screws the whole pooch, and the best part is if you ask them about their mask wearing habits, they'll tell you they are fucking mask saints who do everything proper all the time.

tl;dr  people lie about masks or are uniformed or just don't care, and this keeps covid-19 flowing through the population.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26995454 - 10/20/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/

Surgical masks
This study found that surgical masks offered no protection at all against influenza. (16) Another study found that surgical masks had about 85% penetration ratio of aerosolized inactivated influenza particles and about 90% of Staphylococcus aureus bacteria, although S aureus particles were about 6x the diameter of influenza particles. (17)

Use of masks in surgery were found to slightly increase incidence of infection over not masking in a study of 3,088 surgeries. (18)  The surgeons’ masks were found to give no protective effect to the patients.

Other studies found no difference in wound infection rates with and without surgical masks. (19) (20)

This study found that “there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.” (21)

This study found that medical masks have a wide range of filtration efficiency, with most showing a 30% to 50% efficiency. (22)

Specifically, are surgical masks effective in stopping human transmission of coronaviruses?  Both experimental and control groups, masked and unmasked respectively, were found to “not shed detectable virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols.” (23) In that study, they “did not confirm the infectivity of coronavirus” as found in exhaled breath.

A study of aerosol penetration showed that two of the five surgical masks studied had 51% to 89% penetration of polydisperse aerosols.  (24)

In another study, that observed subjects while coughing, “neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS-CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.”  And more viral particles were found on the outside than on the inside of masks tested. (25)

Cloth masks
Cloth masks were found to have low efficiency for blocking particles of 0.3 microns and smaller.  Aerosol penetration through the various cloth masks examined in this study were between 74 and 90%.  Likewise, the filtration efficiency of fabric materials was 3% to 33% (26)

Healthcare workers wearing cloth masks were found to have 13 times the risk of influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks. (27)

This 1920 analysis of cloth mask use during the 1918 pandemic examines the failure of masks to impede or stop flu transmission at that time, and concluded that the number of layers of fabric required to prevent pathogen penetration would have required a suffocating number of layers, and could not be used for that reason, as well as the problem of leakage vents around the edges of cloth masks. (28)


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995461 - 10/20/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/

Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
T G Tunevall. World J Surg. May-Jun 1991.

It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16295987/

Main results: Two randomised controlled trials were included involving a total of 1453 patients. In a small trial there was a trend towards masks being associated with fewer infections, whereas in a large trial there was no difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group. Neither trial accounted for cluster randomisation in the analysis.

Reviewers' conclusions: From the limited results it is unclear whether wearing surgical face masks results in any harm or benefit to the patient undergoing clean surgery.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (10/20/20 09:58 PM)


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26995463 - 10/20/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nice source.  Link to some fact checking.


Actually investigate what you post, you are actively spreading misinformation that can get people hurt or killed.  This is why you are a laughing stock, you either post something pertinent, but take it the wrong way... or you post garbage.  Just stop, you're clearly not even trying, just looking for confirmation biased articles and or sites.  This is a clear attempt to cause harm, not reduce harm, which the shroomery is all about.  I think you need a permanent ban so you don't reach any impressionable minds on this site.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995464 - 10/20/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/

Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
T G Tunevall. World J Surg. May-Jun 1991.

It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.




You posted this before, it was thoroughly dissected and proven you took this portion out of context.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Doobie Brother]
    #26995471 - 10/20/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I dont think theyre horrible i think theyve been mislead by a person they idolized and they truly believe the pandemic is not a big deal and because Trump said it's under control again they think it is, masks don't work, it's a hoax,demon sperm lady was right etc. I just think the unwillingness to see that if we're wrong about masks (which the rest of the world proved that it does dramatically help) no one gets hurt.

If you're wrong about masks which science supports unilaterally supports, countless people die, we will always live in some fear, it has been proven to make us RE CLOSE all 50 states in one way or another leading to skyrocketing business closures,packed icus, went back up to 1k deaths in a lot of states, when schools reopen kids will spread it past the age of 18 and it will lead to the destruction of America as we know it.

See why I didn't think people who don't wear masks don't have empathy and aren't looking at long term economic recovery? My entire family and I need to go get groceries and also have immune problems. Thankfully people have worn masks 80% of the time so I'm not as worried as if I was in Florida.




Your entire family has immune problems?

:whattefuck2:

My choice not to wear a mask has nothing to do with what Trump has said, but what studies have shown on mask that we've been doing for years.

But that science is old and we need to do all new studies about mask for 2020.

I bet they'll find, mask have no significant impact on transmission. As has been in past research.

And democrats want to shut down again to wreck a recovering economy, as people are going back to work, GDP will rise and Trump will be praised for making a swift recovery.

People are tired of Covid and many are waking up.

They may hide behind their mask to avoid being shamed, but underneath many of those mask is a silent majority.




Here's 70 articles that directly or indirectly study the effectiveness of masks, many from 2020, many older.

As usual, you're about as far away from the truth as possible. At least you're consistent :thumbup:



1/70 "Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets," Verma et al., June 30 2020, Phys Fluids:  https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018 …

2/70 "Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US" Lyu et al., June 16 2020, Health Affairs:  https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818 …

3/70 "Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks" Leffler et al., June 15 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v3 …

4/70 "Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19" Zhang et al., June 11 2020, PNAS:   https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857 …

5/70 "A modelling framework to assess the likely effectiveness of facemasks in combination with ‘lock-down’ in managing the COVID-19 pandemic" Stutt et al., June 10 2020, Proc. R. Soc. A.:  https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376 …

6/70 META: "Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis," June 1 2020, Lancet:  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext …

7/70 "Face coverings for the public: Laying straw men to rest" Greenhalgh, May 26 2020, Journal of Evaluation of Clinical Practice:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415 …

8/70 "COVID-19 and the Social Distancing Paradox: dangers and solutions" Marchiori, May 26 2020, arXiv:   https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf …

9/70 "Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach," Clase et al., May 22 2020, An of Int Med.:   https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2567 …

10/70 "Quantitative Method for Comparative Assessment of Particle Filtration Efficiency of Fabric Masks as Alternatives to Standard Surgical Masks for PPE" Mueller et al., May 18 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v4.full.pdf …

11/70 "Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China" Wang et al., May 11 2020, BMJ Global Health:   https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf 

12/70 "The flow physics of COVID-19" Mittal et al., May 1 2020, J. Fluid Mech.:  https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf …

13/70 "Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks" Konda et al., ACS Nano, April 24 2020:   https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 …

14/70 "Epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in medical staff members of neurosurgery departments in Hubei province: A multicentre descriptive study," Wang et al., Apr 24 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.20.20064899v1 …

15/70 "A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible..." MacIntyre et al., Apr 21 2020, Int J Nursing Studies:   https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020748920301139 …..

16/70 "Universal Masking is Urgent in the COVID-19 Pandemic: SEIR and Agent Based Models, Empirical Validation, Policy Recommendations," Kai et al., Apr 21 2020, arXiv:   https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf …

17/70 "Assessment of Fabric Masks as Alternatives to Standard Surgical Masks in Terms of Particle Filtration Efficiency" Mueller et al., Apr 17 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf …

18/70 "Visualizing Speech-Generated Oral Fluid Droplets with Laser Light Scattering," Anfinrud et al., Apr 15 2020, N Engl J Med:  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800 …

19/70 "Transmission of COVID-19 to Health Care Personnel During Exposures to a Hospitalized Patient — Solano County, California, February 2020," Heinzerling et al., Apr 14 2020, CDC MMWR:  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e5.htm?s_cid=mm6915e5_w …

20/70 META: "Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review," Howard et al., Apr 12 2020, Preprints:   https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v2 …

21/70 META: "Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis," Greenhalgh et al., April 9 2020, BMJ:  https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435 …

22/70 "The Case for Universal Cloth Mask Adoption and Policies to Increase Supply of Medical Masks for Health Workers" Abaluck et al., April 6 2020, SSRN:  https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3567438 …

23/70 META: Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review," Brainard et al., April 6 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf …

24/70 "Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Part 1 - Face masks, eye protection and person distancing: systematic review and meta-analysis," Jefferson et al., Apr 7 2020, medRxiv:   https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2.full.pdf …

25/70 "Widespread use of face masks in public may slow the spread of SARS CoV-2: an ecological study," Kenyon, Apr 6 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20048652v1 …

26/70 "Could SARS-CoV-2 be transmitted via speech droplets?," Anfinrud et al., Apr 6 2020, medRxiv:  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051177v1.full.pdf …

27/70 "Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks" Leung et al., Nat Med, April 3 2020:   https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 …

28/70 "Potential Utilities of Mask-Wearing and Instant Hand Hygiene for Fighting SARS-CoV-2" Ma et al., J Med Virol., March 31 2020:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25805 …

29/70 "Calibrated Intervention and Containment of the COVID-19 Pandemic," Tian et al., Mar 16 2020, arXiv:  https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2003/2003.07353.pdf …

30/70 META: "Effectiveness of N95 Respirators Versus Surgical Masks Against Influenza: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis," Long et al., Mar 13 2020, J Evid Based Med.:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32167245/ 

31/70 "Association between 2019-nCoV transmission and N95 respirator use," Wang et al., Mar 3 2020, J Hosp Infect.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7134426/?report=classic …

32/70 "Risk of transmission via medical employees and importance of routine infection-prevention policy in a nosocomial outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)" Ki et al., Oct 30 2019, BMC Pulm Med.:  https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12890-019-0940-5 …

33/70 "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel, A Randomized Clinical Trial," Radonovich et al., Sept 3 2019, JAMA:  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 …

34/70 "Modeling the Effectiveness of Respiratory Protective Devices in Reducing Influenza Outbreak" Yan et al., Sept 19 2018, Risk Analysis:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/risa.13181 …

35/70 "Risk Factors for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection among Healthcare Personnel," Alraddadi et al., Nov 2016, Emerg Infect Dis.:  https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/11/16-0920_article …3

6/70 "Surveillance of the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) coronavirus (CoV) infection in healthcare workers after contact with confirmed MERS patients" Kim et al., July 27 2016, Clin Microb Infect.:  https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(16)30241-5/fulltext …

37/70 META: "Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis" Smith et al. May 17 2016. CMAJ:   https://www.cmaj.ca/content/cmaj/188/8/567.full.pdf …

38/70 "Transmission Among Healthcare Worker Contacts With a Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Patient in a Single Korean Centre," Kim et al., Feb 2016, Clin Microbiol Infect.:  https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(15)00837-X/fulltext …

39/70 "Pilot Randomised Controlled Trial to Test Effectiveness of Facemasks in Preventing Influenza-like Illness Transmission Among Australian Hajj Pilgrims in 2011," Barasheed et al., 2014, Infect Disord Drug Targets:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25336079/ 

40/70 "Protection by Face Masks against Influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 Virus on Trans-Pacific Passenger Aircraft, 2009," Zhang et al., Sep 2013, Emerg Infect Dis.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3810906/ …

41/70 "Testing the Efficacy of Homemade Masks: Would They Protect in an Influenza Pandemic?" Davies et al., Aug 2013, Disaster Med Public Health Prep.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108646/ …

42/70 "Effectiveness of surgical masks against influenza bioaerosols" Booth et al., May 2013, Journal of Hosp Inf:  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0195670113000698 …

43/70 "Influenza Virus Aerosols in Human Exhaled Breath: Particle Size, Culturability, and Effect of Surgical Masks" Milton et al. Mar 7 2013. PLoS Pathog:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591312/ …

44/70 "Effectiveness of Selected Surgical Masks in Arresting Vegetative Cells and Endospores When Worn by Simulated Contagious Patients," Green at al., Mar 16 2012, Infect Control Hosp Epidemiol.:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22476275/ 

45/70 "The Role of Facemasks and Hand Hygiene in the Prevention of Influenza Transmission in Households: Results From a Cluster Randomised Trial; Berlin, Germany, 2009-2011," Suess et al., Jan 26 2012, BMC Infect Dis.:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22280120/ 

46/70 "Facemasks, Hand Hygiene, and Influenza Among Young Adults: A Randomized Intervention Trial," Aiello et al., Jan 25 2012, PLoS One:   https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029744 …

47/70 "Is Abdominal Obesity Associated With the 2009 Influenza A (H1N1) Pandemic in Korean School-Aged Children?" Kim et al., Dec 8 2011, Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00318.x …

48/70 META: "Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses" Jefferson et al., July 6 2011, Cochrane Database Syst Rev.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6993921/ …

49/70 "Impact of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions on URIs and Influenza in Crowded, Urban Households," Larson et al., Mar 2010, Public Health Rep.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821845/ …

50/70 "Mask Use, Hand Hygiene, and Seasonal Influenza-Like Illness Among Young Adults: A Randomized Intervention Trial," Aiello et al., Feb 15 2010, J Infect Dis.:  https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/201/4/491/861190 …

51/70 "Risk factors for SARS infection among hospital healthcare workers in Beijing: a case control study," Tang et al., Oct 7 2009, Trop Med & Int Health:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2009.02255.x …

52/70 "Facemasks and Hand Hygiene to Prevent Influenza Transmission in Households: A Cluster Randomized Trial," Cowling et al., 6 Oct 2009, Ann Intern Med.:  https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/0003-4819-151-7-200910060-00142?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed 

53/70 "A Quantitative Assessment of the Efficacy of Surgical and N95 Masks to Filter Influenza Virus in Patients With Acute Influenza Infection," Johnson et al., July 15 2009, Clin Infect Dis:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19522650/ 

54/70 "Face Mask Use and Control of Respiratory Virus Transmission in Households," MacIntyre et al., Feb 2009, Emerg Infect Dis.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662657/ …

55/70 "The First Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial of Mask Use in Households to Prevent Respiratory Virus Transmission," MacIntyre et al. Dec 1 2008, Int J Infect Dis.:  https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext …

56/70 "Risk Factors for SARS Infection Within Hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam," Nishiyama et al., Sep 2008, Jpn J Infect Dis.:   https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18806349/ 

57/70 "Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population," v.d.Sande et al., July 9 2008, PLoS One:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/ …

58/70 "Factors Associated With Nosocomial SARS-CoV Transmission Among Healthcare Workers in Hanoi, Vietnam, 2003," Reynolds et al., Aug 2006, BMC Public Health:  https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-6-207 …

59/70 "Investigation of the Influencing Factors on Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Among Health Care Workers," Pei et al., June 18 2006, Beijing Da Xue Xue Bao Yi Xue Ban:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16778970/ 

60/70 "Simple Respiratory Mask," Dato et al., June 2006, Emerg Infect Dis.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/?report=classic …

61/70 "Rapid Awareness and Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome in Hanoi French Hospital, Vietnam," Jul 1 2005, Am J Trop Med and Hyg.:  http://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.2005.73.17#html_fulltext …

62/70 "Asymptomatic SARS Coronavirus Infection among Healthcare Workers, Singapore," Wilder-Smith et al., July 2005, Emerg Inf Dis.:  https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/7/04-1165_article …

63/70 "Factors associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome among health-care workers in Singapore," Teleman et al., Nov 8 2004, Epidemiol Infect.:  https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/55025CCAFE6E5F3B30C31ECB6E73A3D4/S0950268804002766a.pdf/factors_associated_with_transmission_of_severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_among_healthcare_workers_in_singapore.pdf …

64/70 "SARS Transmission, Risk Factors, and Prevention in Hong Kong," Lau et al., Apr 2004, Emerg Infect Dis.:   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323085/ …65/70"Mild Illness Associated with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection: Lessons from a Prospective Seroepidemiologic Study of Health-Care Workers in a Teaching Hospital in Singapore," Ho et al., Feb 15 2004, J Infect Dis.:  https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/189/4/642/839039 …

66/70 "Risk Factors for SARS among Persons without Known Contact with SARS Patients, Beijing, China" Wu et al., Feb 2004, Emerg Infect Dis:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322931/ …

67/70 "SARS Among Critical Care Nurses, Toronto," Loeb et al., Feb 2004, Emerg Infect Dis.:   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322898/ …

68/70 "Effectiveness of Personal Protective Measures in Prevention of Nosocomial Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," Yin et al., Jan 2004. Zhonghua Liu Xing Bing Xue Za Zhi:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15061941/ 

69/70 "Illness in Intensive Care Staff After Brief Exposure to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," Scales et al., Oct 2003, Emerg Infect Dis.:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033076/ …

70/70 "Effectiveness of precautions against droplets and contact in prevention of nosocomial transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)," Seto et al., May 3 2003, Lancet:  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)13168-6/fulltext … (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)







Something ain't right here. Who the fuck makes this as their 5th post on their first day as a member?

Has anyone had their mind changed or changed someone else's mind about all this shit with all this useless back and forth?


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26995479 - 10/20/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/

Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
T G Tunevall. World J Surg. May-Jun 1991.

It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.




You posted this before, it was thoroughly dissected and proven you took this portion out of context.




I've never posted this.

Science is mixed when it comes to mask effectiveness.

Sweden, as well as other places, have no mask mandates.



Look at that, deaths are flat. No mask.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995484 - 10/20/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995485 - 10/20/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995493 - 10/20/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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HamHead said:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/10/06/do-masks-really-work-heres-what-the-charts-tell-us-n1009481






Correlation is not causation.  Also, Matt Margolis is a biased source.  I just told you stop looking for things that confirm your biases and put up some real journalism and scientific evidence or shut up  :micdrop:


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26995497 - 10/20/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/




:canthelpbutlaugh:

"Starting Oct. 19, regional health authorities may direct citizens to avoid high-risk areas such as gyms, concerts, public transportation and shopping centers, the Telegraph reports. They may also encourage residents to avoid socializing with elderly or other high-risk individuals."

"Masks are not recommended in most places."

Still allowing people to choose for themselves, only directing people to avoid certain places. Nothing about businesses or schools being closed.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26995500 - 10/20/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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HamHead said:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/10/06/do-masks-really-work-heres-what-the-charts-tell-us-n1009481






Correlation is not causation.  Also, Matt Margolis is a biased source.  I just told you stop looking for things that confirm your biases and put up some real journalism and scientific evidence or shut up  :micdrop:




I can't help what data shows. Mask mandates have been in place for a while now and yet there are still supposed surges in cases.

Nevermind how covid doesn't affect children like influenza, making covid less lethal.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995508 - 10/20/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26995605 - 10/21/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't want to wear a mask then just stay home. Simple. Can't people look up the word pandemic in the dictionary? This is a global thing. It's not a fucking common cold or common flu. This virus can cause permanent organ damage. I don't mind wearing a mask because then I don't have to give people fake smiles and it deters facial recognition.

And since you people didn't want to stay in your fucking houses the first two weeks of this bullshit and bitched about wearing the mask back then, here we are now. you want to keep on wondering why this keeps going on so long? The Spanish flu lasted 2 years.

Nothing but selfish people. "Oh my God I can't breathe!" "oh my God I'm so bored being inside my house all day long everyday with nothing to do." "Oh my God the economy." STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF AND THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE PLANET.

I honestly would not mind if there was another complete shutdown like in March and April. serves everyone right for not following some simple fucking guidelines. they're the same guidelines that were put in place during the Spanish flu. People had to wear masks back then. I don't give a shit. With all that extra unemployment money I got I was able to pay off 2 high balance credit cards and I have had more time than ever to take psychedelics. So PLEASE I'm begging, shut the country down AGAIN!


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26995628 - 10/21/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

HamHead said:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/

Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
T G Tunevall. World J Surg. May-Jun 1991.

It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using face masks or not. During 115 weeks, a total of 3,088 patients were included in the study. Weeks were denoted as "masked" or "unmasked" according to a random list. After 1,537 operations performed with face masks, 73 (4.7%) wound infections were recorded and, after 1,551 operations performed without face masks, 55 (3.5%) infections occurred. This difference was not statistically significant (p greater than 0.05) and the bacterial species cultured from the wound infections did not differ in any way, which would have supported the fact tha the numerical difference was a statistically "missed" difference. These results indicated that the use of face masks might be reconsidered. Masks may be used to protect the operating team from drops of infected blood and from airborne infections, but have not been proven to protect the patient operated by a healthy operating team.




You posted this before, it was thoroughly dissected and proven you took this portion out of context.




I've never posted this.

Science is mixed when it comes to mask effectiveness.

Sweden, as well as other places, have no mask mandates.



Look at that, deaths are flat. No mask.




Sweden has one of the highest covid mortality rates in the world. You keep providing evidence that not only doesn’t help support your case, but that strongly makes the opposite case. You do this a lot. I’ve actualy never seen it before this consistently. You did it with South Dakota.

What’s really interesting is that you are so determined to promote your hypothesis, the actual evidence you present doesn’t matter. You don’t seem to think about it all.

I know you get a lot of insults but Jesus Christ dude you absolutely suck at this. Understanding scientific arguments requires a little reprogramming of our natural instincts. If you don’t work at understanding how your instincts will tend to sabotage your efforts, you’re not going to know when your thinking has been sabotaged. Part of studying science isn’t learning facts it’s learning the process of thinking that will lead you to the truth. You have done none of that and your results are fucking garbage dude. Your posts are insults to anyone who actually made the effort. Get bent.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
    #26995704 - 10/21/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



What about Sweden? Seems they are doing better than USA when it comes to deaths per 1m population.

:shrug:

Again, no lockdown, on economic hardships from people losing jobs, no children psychologically damaged from being forced to wear mask, etc.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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