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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: gopher]
#26928285 - 09/10/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The sides of the mask should pucker on a light inhale if it's sealed
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: feevers]
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Seriously_trippin said: I dont think theyre horrible i think theyve been mislead by a person they idolized and they truly believe the pandemic is not a big deal and because Trump said it's under control again they think it is, masks don't work, it's a hoax,demon sperm lady was right etc. I just think the unwillingness to see that if we're wrong about masks (which the rest of the world proved that it does dramatically help) no one gets hurt.
If you're wrong about masks which science supports unilaterally supports, countless people die, we will always live in some fear, it has been proven to make us RE CLOSE all 50 states in one way or another leading to skyrocketing business closures,packed icus, went back up to 1k deaths in a lot of states, when schools reopen kids will spread it past the age of 18 and it will lead to the destruction of America as we know it.
See why I didn't think people who don't wear masks don't have empathy and aren't looking at long term economic recovery? My entire family and I need to go get groceries and also have immune problems. Thankfully people have worn masks 80% of the time so I'm not as worried as if I was in Florida.
Your entire family has immune problems?

My choice not to wear a mask has nothing to do with what Trump has said, but what studies have shown on mask that we've been doing for years.
But that science is old and we need to do all new studies about mask for 2020.
I bet they'll find, mask have no significant impact on transmission. As has been in past research.
And democrats want to shut down again to wreck a recovering economy, as people are going back to work, GDP will rise and Trump will be praised for making a swift recovery.
People are tired of Covid and many are waking up.
They may hide behind their mask to avoid being shamed, but underneath many of those mask is a silent majority.
Here's 70 articles that directly or indirectly study the effectiveness of masks, many from 2020, many older.
As usual, you're about as far away from the truth as possible. At least you're consistent 
1/70 "Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets," Verma et al., June 30 2020, Phys Fluids: https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018 …
2/70 "Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US" Lyu et al., June 16 2020, Health Affairs: https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818 …
3/70 "Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks" Leffler et al., June 15 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v3 …
4/70 "Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19" Zhang et al., June 11 2020, PNAS: https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857 …
5/70 "A modelling framework to assess the likely effectiveness of facemasks in combination with ‘lock-down’ in managing the COVID-19 pandemic" Stutt et al., June 10 2020, Proc. R. Soc. A.: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376 …
6/70 META: "Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis," June 1 2020, Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext …
7/70 "Face coverings for the public: Laying straw men to rest" Greenhalgh, May 26 2020, Journal of Evaluation of Clinical Practice: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415 …
8/70 "COVID-19 and the Social Distancing Paradox: dangers and solutions" Marchiori, May 26 2020, arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf …
9/70 "Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach," Clase et al., May 22 2020, An of Int Med.: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2567 …
10/70 "Quantitative Method for Comparative Assessment of Particle Filtration Efficiency of Fabric Masks as Alternatives to Standard Surgical Masks for PPE" Mueller et al., May 18 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v4.full.pdf …
11/70 "Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China" Wang et al., May 11 2020, BMJ Global Health: https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf …
12/70 "The flow physics of COVID-19" Mittal et al., May 1 2020, J. Fluid Mech.: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf …
13/70 "Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks" Konda et al., ACS Nano, April 24 2020: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 …
14/70 "Epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in medical staff members of neurosurgery departments in Hubei province: A multicentre descriptive study," Wang et al., Apr 24 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.20.20064899v1 …
15/70 "A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible..." MacIntyre et al., Apr 21 2020, Int J Nursing Studies: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020748920301139 …..
16/70 "Universal Masking is Urgent in the COVID-19 Pandemic: SEIR and Agent Based Models, Empirical Validation, Policy Recommendations," Kai et al., Apr 21 2020, arXiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf …
17/70 "Assessment of Fabric Masks as Alternatives to Standard Surgical Masks in Terms of Particle Filtration Efficiency" Mueller et al., Apr 17 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf …
18/70 "Visualizing Speech-Generated Oral Fluid Droplets with Laser Light Scattering," Anfinrud et al., Apr 15 2020, N Engl J Med: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800 …
19/70 "Transmission of COVID-19 to Health Care Personnel During Exposures to a Hospitalized Patient — Solano County, California, February 2020," Heinzerling et al., Apr 14 2020, CDC MMWR: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e5.htm?s_cid=mm6915e5_w …
20/70 META: "Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review," Howard et al., Apr 12 2020, Preprints: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v2 …
21/70 META: "Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis," Greenhalgh et al., April 9 2020, BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435 …
22/70 "The Case for Universal Cloth Mask Adoption and Policies to Increase Supply of Medical Masks for Health Workers" Abaluck et al., April 6 2020, SSRN: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3567438 …
23/70 META: Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review," Brainard et al., April 6 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf …
24/70 "Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Part 1 - Face masks, eye protection and person distancing: systematic review and meta-analysis," Jefferson et al., Apr 7 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2.full.pdf …
25/70 "Widespread use of face masks in public may slow the spread of SARS CoV-2: an ecological study," Kenyon, Apr 6 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20048652v1 …
26/70 "Could SARS-CoV-2 be transmitted via speech droplets?," Anfinrud et al., Apr 6 2020, medRxiv: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20051177v1.full.pdf …
27/70 "Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks" Leung et al., Nat Med, April 3 2020: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 …
28/70 "Potential Utilities of Mask-Wearing and Instant Hand Hygiene for Fighting SARS-CoV-2" Ma et al., J Med Virol., March 31 2020: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25805 …
29/70 "Calibrated Intervention and Containment of the COVID-19 Pandemic," Tian et al., Mar 16 2020, arXiv: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2003/2003.07353.pdf …
30/70 META: "Effectiveness of N95 Respirators Versus Surgical Masks Against Influenza: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis," Long et al., Mar 13 2020, J Evid Based Med.: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32167245/
31/70 "Association between 2019-nCoV transmission and N95 respirator use," Wang et al., Mar 3 2020, J Hosp Infect.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7134426/?report=classic …
32/70 "Risk of transmission via medical employees and importance of routine infection-prevention policy in a nosocomial outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)" Ki et al., Oct 30 2019, BMC Pulm Med.: https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12890-019-0940-5 …
33/70 "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel, A Randomized Clinical Trial," Radonovich et al., Sept 3 2019, JAMA: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 …
34/70 "Modeling the Effectiveness of Respiratory Protective Devices in Reducing Influenza Outbreak" Yan et al., Sept 19 2018, Risk Analysis: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/risa.13181 …
35/70 "Risk Factors for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection among Healthcare Personnel," Alraddadi et al., Nov 2016, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/11/16-0920_article …3
6/70 "Surveillance of the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) coronavirus (CoV) infection in healthcare workers after contact with confirmed MERS patients" Kim et al., July 27 2016, Clin Microb Infect.: https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(16)30241-5/fulltext …
37/70 META: "Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis" Smith et al. May 17 2016. CMAJ: https://www.cmaj.ca/content/cmaj/188/8/567.full.pdf …
38/70 "Transmission Among Healthcare Worker Contacts With a Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Patient in a Single Korean Centre," Kim et al., Feb 2016, Clin Microbiol Infect.: https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(15)00837-X/fulltext …
39/70 "Pilot Randomised Controlled Trial to Test Effectiveness of Facemasks in Preventing Influenza-like Illness Transmission Among Australian Hajj Pilgrims in 2011," Barasheed et al., 2014, Infect Disord Drug Targets: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25336079/
40/70 "Protection by Face Masks against Influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 Virus on Trans-Pacific Passenger Aircraft, 2009," Zhang et al., Sep 2013, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3810906/ …
41/70 "Testing the Efficacy of Homemade Masks: Would They Protect in an Influenza Pandemic?" Davies et al., Aug 2013, Disaster Med Public Health Prep.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108646/ …
42/70 "Effectiveness of surgical masks against influenza bioaerosols" Booth et al., May 2013, Journal of Hosp Inf: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0195670113000698 …
43/70 "Influenza Virus Aerosols in Human Exhaled Breath: Particle Size, Culturability, and Effect of Surgical Masks" Milton et al. Mar 7 2013. PLoS Pathog: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591312/ …
44/70 "Effectiveness of Selected Surgical Masks in Arresting Vegetative Cells and Endospores When Worn by Simulated Contagious Patients," Green at al., Mar 16 2012, Infect Control Hosp Epidemiol.: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22476275/
45/70 "The Role of Facemasks and Hand Hygiene in the Prevention of Influenza Transmission in Households: Results From a Cluster Randomised Trial; Berlin, Germany, 2009-2011," Suess et al., Jan 26 2012, BMC Infect Dis.: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22280120/
46/70 "Facemasks, Hand Hygiene, and Influenza Among Young Adults: A Randomized Intervention Trial," Aiello et al., Jan 25 2012, PLoS One: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029744 …
47/70 "Is Abdominal Obesity Associated With the 2009 Influenza A (H1N1) Pandemic in Korean School-Aged Children?" Kim et al., Dec 8 2011, Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00318.x …
48/70 META: "Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses" Jefferson et al., July 6 2011, Cochrane Database Syst Rev.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6993921/ …
49/70 "Impact of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions on URIs and Influenza in Crowded, Urban Households," Larson et al., Mar 2010, Public Health Rep.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821845/ …
50/70 "Mask Use, Hand Hygiene, and Seasonal Influenza-Like Illness Among Young Adults: A Randomized Intervention Trial," Aiello et al., Feb 15 2010, J Infect Dis.: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/201/4/491/861190 …
51/70 "Risk factors for SARS infection among hospital healthcare workers in Beijing: a case control study," Tang et al., Oct 7 2009, Trop Med & Int Health: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-3156.2009.02255.x …
52/70 "Facemasks and Hand Hygiene to Prevent Influenza Transmission in Households: A Cluster Randomized Trial," Cowling et al., 6 Oct 2009, Ann Intern Med.: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/0003-4819-151-7-200910060-00142?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed …
53/70 "A Quantitative Assessment of the Efficacy of Surgical and N95 Masks to Filter Influenza Virus in Patients With Acute Influenza Infection," Johnson et al., July 15 2009, Clin Infect Dis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19522650/
54/70 "Face Mask Use and Control of Respiratory Virus Transmission in Households," MacIntyre et al., Feb 2009, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662657/ …
55/70 "The First Randomized, Controlled Clinical Trial of Mask Use in Households to Prevent Respiratory Virus Transmission," MacIntyre et al. Dec 1 2008, Int J Infect Dis.: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(08)01008-4/fulltext …
56/70 "Risk Factors for SARS Infection Within Hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam," Nishiyama et al., Sep 2008, Jpn J Infect Dis.: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18806349/
57/70 "Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population," v.d.Sande et al., July 9 2008, PLoS One: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/ …
58/70 "Factors Associated With Nosocomial SARS-CoV Transmission Among Healthcare Workers in Hanoi, Vietnam, 2003," Reynolds et al., Aug 2006, BMC Public Health: https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-6-207 …
59/70 "Investigation of the Influencing Factors on Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Among Health Care Workers," Pei et al., June 18 2006, Beijing Da Xue Xue Bao Yi Xue Ban: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16778970/
60/70 "Simple Respiratory Mask," Dato et al., June 2006, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/?report=classic …
61/70 "Rapid Awareness and Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome in Hanoi French Hospital, Vietnam," Jul 1 2005, Am J Trop Med and Hyg.: http://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.2005.73.17#html_fulltext …
62/70 "Asymptomatic SARS Coronavirus Infection among Healthcare Workers, Singapore," Wilder-Smith et al., July 2005, Emerg Inf Dis.: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/7/04-1165_article …
63/70 "Factors associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome among health-care workers in Singapore," Teleman et al., Nov 8 2004, Epidemiol Infect.: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/55025CCAFE6E5F3B30C31ECB6E73A3D4/S0950268804002766a.pdf/factors_associated_with_transmission_of_severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_among_healthcare_workers_in_singapore.pdf …
64/70 "SARS Transmission, Risk Factors, and Prevention in Hong Kong," Lau et al., Apr 2004, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323085/ …65/70"Mild Illness Associated with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection: Lessons from a Prospective Seroepidemiologic Study of Health-Care Workers in a Teaching Hospital in Singapore," Ho et al., Feb 15 2004, J Infect Dis.: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/189/4/642/839039 …
66/70 "Risk Factors for SARS among Persons without Known Contact with SARS Patients, Beijing, China" Wu et al., Feb 2004, Emerg Infect Dis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322931/ …
67/70 "SARS Among Critical Care Nurses, Toronto," Loeb et al., Feb 2004, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3322898/ …
68/70 "Effectiveness of Personal Protective Measures in Prevention of Nosocomial Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," Yin et al., Jan 2004. Zhonghua Liu Xing Bing Xue Za Zhi: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15061941/
69/70 "Illness in Intensive Care Staff After Brief Exposure to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome," Scales et al., Oct 2003, Emerg Infect Dis.: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033076/ …
70/70 "Effectiveness of precautions against droplets and contact in prevention of nosocomial transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)," Seto et al., May 3 2003, Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(03)13168-6/fulltext … (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Doobie Brother]
#26994580 - 10/20/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/14/cdc-study-85-of-coronavirus-patients-reported-wearing-masks-always-or-often/
The CDC conducted the study, largely ignored by the media, in the U.S. in July and made its findings public in September. It compared 154 “case-patients,” those who tested positive for COVID-19 (coronavirus disease), and a control group of 160 “control-participants,” those who were symptomatic but tested negative.
CDC researchers examined participants who reported wearing a cloth face covering or mask at least 14 days before illness onset, which falls into the incubation period of 2–14 days estimated by the agency.
The researchers found that 71 percent of the case-patients contracted the virus despite reporting “always” wearing a cloth face covering or mask at least 14 days before illness onset, and 14 percent contracted the virus despite reporting “often” wearing one at least 14 days before illness onset.
That indicates 85 percent of the COVID-19 study participants contracted the virus even after either always (71 percent) or often (14 percent) wearing a face covering or mask, suggesting the masks are not entirely effective at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
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suggesting the masks are not entirely effective at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
No shit. Nobody ever said they were enrtitely effective
Also, what does the data about mask wearers getting sick have to with spreading? We’ve never been told masks were there to keep us from catching the virus, so why are you surprised by these numbers?
That quite the scoop Breibart! Lol.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
#26994641 - 10/20/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: We’ve never been told masks were there to keep us from catching the virus
That was my impression too.
If it was only supposed to protect me then I wouldn't wear one at all.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26994647 - 10/20/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every good propaganda machine makes it sound believable and this is not "underreported by MSM" Fox and Trump are very much mainstream media and that's been one of their biggest talking points in defense of the pandemic response. Just like when right wingers said the CDC "said" only 9% of people who got covid actually died and then people with a brain read the real report and found out that 9% of covid deaths had no comorbidities which doesn't mean only 9% of covid patients have died at all. Same is true with this. Here's a quick fact check
Fact check: Digging into Trump's false claim that CDC found that 85% of people who wear masks get the coronavirus
President Donald Trump made a dramatic claim about Covid-19 in an interview, at a campaign rally and in his televised town hall on NBC Thursday night.
All three times, Trump suggested that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had found that 85% of people who wear masks catch the virus.
"CDC comes out with a statement that 85% of the people wearing masks catch it," Trump said on Fox Business in the morning.
"Then they come out with things today, did you see CDC -- that 85% of the people wearing the mask catch it?" he said at a rally in North Carolina in the afternoon.
It’s hard to believe, but there was a time when work shoes were work shoes, sports shoes were sports shoes and leisure shoes were leisure shoes. Those lines were never crossed.
Trump did not name the CDC as the source of the statistic at the town hall -- he attributed the claim to an unnamed "they" -- but the substance of his assertion was the same.
Facts First: Trump's claim is false. The CDC study, which was released in September, did not say that 85% of all people who wear masks get infected with the coronavirus. In fact, it did not even attempt to figure out what percentage of people who wear a mask get infected with the coronavirus.
Here's a look at our recent fact checks.
Let's walk through the problems with Trump's claim.
Problem 1: The study was not even about what percentage of mask-wearers get the coronavirus.
Polls suggest tens of millions of Americans wear masks at least some of the time. The CDC study did not examine what percentage of these tens of millions of mask-wearers have been infected with the virus.
Rather, the study looked at the behavior of 154 symptomatic people who had tested positive for the coronavirus in July, at 11 sites around the country, and 160 people who reported symptoms but tested negative in July at those sites.
The study attempted to assess how the spread of the virus was affected by "community exposure," such as people going to a restaurant, office, salon or gym, and by "close contact exposure" to infected people.
The study's headline finding was that the 154 study participants who had tested positive were much more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant in the two weeks before the onset of their illness than were the 160 people who had tested negative.
The study also found that, of the 154 participants who tested positive, a total of 85% said they had worn a mask either "always" (70.6%) or "often" (14.4%) over the 14 days prior to the onset of their illness. Of the 160 people who had tested negative, conversely, a total of 88.7% said they had worn a mask either "always" (74.2%) or "often" (14.5%).
So reported mask-wearing was not statistically different among people who tested negative than among people who tested positive.
But that's not even the point.
Trump was suggesting that the CDC found that 85% of all people who wear masks get the coronavirus. But the CDC was just looking at the behavior of these 314 symptomatic people who sought out testing at 11 particular sites in July.
Here's how one of the co-authors, Christopher Lindsell, co-director of the Center for Health Data Science at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, described the study's data on masks.
"The data suggest that among a group of patients who are already showing symptoms that prompted them to get testing for the virus, there was no statistical evidence of a difference in mask wearing behavior between those who tested positive and those who tested negative," Lindsell said in an email. "This is very different from the question of whether wearing masks prevents you becoming infected with the virus, and it is also different to the question of how many or what percentage of people who wear masks contract the virus. The study was not designed to answer these questions."
Problem 2: We don't know how frequently the infected people actually wore the mask -- and where they took it off.
The study participants self-reported their behavior. The authors noted in the study that participants' answers might have been affected by the fact that they knew whether they had tested positive or negative before they responded.
And while, again, 70.6% of the infected people said they had "always" worn a mask over the previous 14 days, 40.9% also said they had gone to a restaurant -- where, obviously, people take off their masks.
"Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use," the study said.
The CDC would not directly address Trump's claim. But when CNN asked for comment, the CDC emphasized that even people who reported "always" having worn a mask may not have actually done so all of the time. Spokesman Benjamin Haynes noted that "people who attend restaurants cannot wear masks effectively while eating and drinking."
Problem 3: Masks are primarily intended to protect other people, not the person wearing the mask.
There is scientific evidence that masks provide protection to the people who wear them. But even if mask-wearers do end up getting infected, that does not mean masks aren't working at all -- because masks can still help others from getting infected. Haynes said, "CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected."
The CDC continues to be a vocal advocate of mask use. In September, after this study was published, CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield pleaded in congressional testimony for "all Americans" to wear a mask, saying: "We have clear scientific evidence they work, and they are our best defense."
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
#26994797 - 10/20/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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so why are you surprised by these numbers?
Because I thought " The researchers found that 71 percent of the case-patients contracted the virus despite reporting “always” wearing a cloth face covering or mask" meant that the cloth mask people wear for months on end without washing (people at my work at least) was actually harboring bacteria or whatever and doing more harm than good.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26994827 - 10/20/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would you think that?
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Kyngwhatt
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
#26994860 - 10/20/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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because today I got to work and found out that the dirty guy who has worn the same mask since I've been there is showing symptoms. I see people drop their mask on the floor, sneeze and cough etc etc. wearing the mask just seems wrong since I've learned about sterile technique it can't be good unless it is strengthening your immune system or something.
Maybe I misunderstood what the mask's purpose is or what the article is saying.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on the mask I was just posting something I though was interesting and i'm open-minded to others point of view.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26994884 - 10/20/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you guys see that music performance on CBS or whatever it was, where people were all performing in actual plastic bubbles? People are nuts.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26994889 - 10/20/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am allowed to expose my nose at work.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Eminence]
#26994892 - 10/20/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, the flaming lips right? I don't like the idea of a future where that is the new normal or something but I'm sure that would be really fun for a minute.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] 1
#26994902 - 10/20/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a guy berate me for not wearing one in the parking lot of the dollar store while his nose was exposed, it's all so silly.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26994910 - 10/20/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kyngwhatt said: I had a guy berate me for not wearing one in the parking lot of the dollar store while his nose was exposed, it's all so silly.
LOL. Man some people love any excuse to give other people a telling off!!
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Eminence]
#26994913 - 10/20/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The flaming lips have been doing people in bubbles in their shows forever mang, Covid didn't kick that off lol they're a weird band and their shows are ridiculously theatrical
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Psicomb]
#26994915 - 10/20/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh. I don't know them. I just read from a few news outlets they were doing it because of covid.
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Eminence]
#26994922 - 10/20/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Flaming Lips Actually Performed Their First Bubble Concert https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/10/the-flaming-lips-performed-bubble-concert/
this is saying it was their first bubble show but it would not surprise me if the news tried to scare the public with something.
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Kyngwhatt said: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/14/cdc-study-85-of-coronavirus-patients-reported-wearing-masks-always-or-often/
The CDC conducted the study, largely ignored by the media, in the U.S. in July and made its findings public in September. It compared 154 “case-patients,” those who tested positive for COVID-19 (coronavirus disease), and a control group of 160 “control-participants,” those who were symptomatic but tested negative.
CDC researchers examined participants who reported wearing a cloth face covering or mask at least 14 days before illness onset, which falls into the incubation period of 2–14 days estimated by the agency.
The researchers found that 71 percent of the case-patients contracted the virus despite reporting “always” wearing a cloth face covering or mask at least 14 days before illness onset, and 14 percent contracted the virus despite reporting “often” wearing one at least 14 days before illness onset.
That indicates 85 percent of the COVID-19 study participants contracted the virus even after either always (71 percent) or often (14 percent) wearing a face covering or mask, suggesting the masks are not entirely effective at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
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Seriously_trippin said: Every good propaganda machine makes it sound believable and this is not "underreported by MSM" Fox and Trump are very much mainstream media and that's been one of their biggest talking points in defense of the pandemic response. Just like when right wingers said the CDC "said" only 9% of people who got covid actually died and then people with a brain read the real report and found out that 9% of covid deaths had no comorbidities which doesn't mean only 9% of covid patients have died at all. Same is true with this. Here's a quick fact check
Fact check: Digging into Trump's false claim that CDC found that 85% of people who wear masks get the coronavirus
President Donald Trump made a dramatic claim about Covid-19 in an interview, at a campaign rally and in his televised town hall on NBC Thursday night.
All three times, Trump suggested that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had found that 85% of people who wear masks catch the virus.
"CDC comes out with a statement that 85% of the people wearing masks catch it," Trump said on Fox Business in the morning.
"Then they come out with things today, did you see CDC -- that 85% of the people wearing the mask catch it?" he said at a rally in North Carolina in the afternoon.
It’s hard to believe, but there was a time when work shoes were work shoes, sports shoes were sports shoes and leisure shoes were leisure shoes. Those lines were never crossed.
Trump did not name the CDC as the source of the statistic at the town hall -- he attributed the claim to an unnamed "they" -- but the substance of his assertion was the same.
Facts First: Trump's claim is false. The CDC study, which was released in September, did not say that 85% of all people who wear masks get infected with the coronavirus. In fact, it did not even attempt to figure out what percentage of people who wear a mask get infected with the coronavirus.
Here's a look at our recent fact checks.
Let's walk through the problems with Trump's claim.
Problem 1: The study was not even about what percentage of mask-wearers get the coronavirus.
Polls suggest tens of millions of Americans wear masks at least some of the time. The CDC study did not examine what percentage of these tens of millions of mask-wearers have been infected with the virus.
Rather, the study looked at the behavior of 154 symptomatic people who had tested positive for the coronavirus in July, at 11 sites around the country, and 160 people who reported symptoms but tested negative in July at those sites.
The study attempted to assess how the spread of the virus was affected by "community exposure," such as people going to a restaurant, office, salon or gym, and by "close contact exposure" to infected people.
The study's headline finding was that the 154 study participants who had tested positive were much more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant in the two weeks before the onset of their illness than were the 160 people who had tested negative.
The study also found that, of the 154 participants who tested positive, a total of 85% said they had worn a mask either "always" (70.6%) or "often" (14.4%) over the 14 days prior to the onset of their illness. Of the 160 people who had tested negative, conversely, a total of 88.7% said they had worn a mask either "always" (74.2%) or "often" (14.5%).
So reported mask-wearing was not statistically different among people who tested negative than among people who tested positive.
But that's not even the point.
Trump was suggesting that the CDC found that 85% of all people who wear masks get the coronavirus. But the CDC was just looking at the behavior of these 314 symptomatic people who sought out testing at 11 particular sites in July.
Here's how one of the co-authors, Christopher Lindsell, co-director of the Center for Health Data Science at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, described the study's data on masks.
"The data suggest that among a group of patients who are already showing symptoms that prompted them to get testing for the virus, there was no statistical evidence of a difference in mask wearing behavior between those who tested positive and those who tested negative," Lindsell said in an email. "This is very different from the question of whether wearing masks prevents you becoming infected with the virus, and it is also different to the question of how many or what percentage of people who wear masks contract the virus. The study was not designed to answer these questions."
Problem 2: We don't know how frequently the infected people actually wore the mask -- and where they took it off.
The study participants self-reported their behavior. The authors noted in the study that participants' answers might have been affected by the fact that they knew whether they had tested positive or negative before they responded.
And while, again, 70.6% of the infected people said they had "always" worn a mask over the previous 14 days, 40.9% also said they had gone to a restaurant -- where, obviously, people take off their masks.
"Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use," the study said.
The CDC would not directly address Trump's claim. But when CNN asked for comment, the CDC emphasized that even people who reported "always" having worn a mask may not have actually done so all of the time. Spokesman Benjamin Haynes noted that "people who attend restaurants cannot wear masks effectively while eating and drinking."
Problem 3: Masks are primarily intended to protect other people, not the person wearing the mask.
There is scientific evidence that masks provide protection to the people who wear them. But even if mask-wearers do end up getting infected, that does not mean masks aren't working at all -- because masks can still help others from getting infected. Haynes said, "CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected."
The CDC continues to be a vocal advocate of mask use. In September, after this study was published, CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield pleaded in congressional testimony for "all Americans" to wear a mask, saying: "We have clear scientific evidence they work, and they are our best defense."
Don't care to respond with your own proof from the CDC on something so serious I see
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Kyngwhatt]
#26995087 - 10/20/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kyngwhatt said: The Flaming Lips Actually Performed Their First Bubble Concert https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/10/the-flaming-lips-performed-bubble-concert/
this is saying it was their first bubble show but it would not surprise me if the news tried to scare the public with something.
Oh wait what the fuck, the crowd was in bubbles?? Everyone was in bubbles?? Wtf. Nvm man, that is fuckin goofy
The band is into weird performances and have shitloads of money but that's a strange way of performing during covid
When I saw em 5 years ago they had dancers in inflatable balls and big animatronic shit on stage so I assumed this covid thing they did was just more of that stuff
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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Psicomb]
#26995112 - 10/20/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
"Considerations for Wearing Masks Help Slow the Spread of COVID-19
CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be around other people. Masks may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others. Masks are most likely to reduce the spread of COVID-19 when they are widely used by people in public settings. Masks should NOT be worn by children under the age of 2 or anyone who has trouble breathing, is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance. Masks with exhalation valves or vents should NOT be worn to help prevent the person wearing the mask from spreading COVID-19 to others (source control)."
Word games. Seems Cat Dog Cat isn't entirely certain mask work, using words such as, "may help" and "most likely" as they only 'recommend' people wear mask in public settings.
Nevermind bars and restaurants showing low transmission rates while people mingle with no mask, eating and drinking without masks.
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