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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
    #26863290 - 08/04/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Some people are just horrible pieces of shit




I miss the old days when it was easier to ignore that fact.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26863296 - 08/04/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

And Florida is proving it, with such a surge in cases, why are we not seeing bodies floating out in the Atlantic Ocean or Gulf of Mexico?

Oh, we got better at treatment? 

Texas too, why no spike in deaths?

Going to have a really hard time competing with NYC death toll.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26863301 - 08/04/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe cos we learnt sumfink in the last six months you...


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: deucedbi9] * 4
    #26863413 - 08/04/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"iF I aM nOt InFeCtEd i ShOuLdNt nEeD tO wEaR a mAsK!"

-HamHead, who may be infected but asymptomatic, lacking the cognitive ability to understand that.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: deucedbi9] * 2
    #26863456 - 08/04/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

deucedbi9 said:
Maybe cos we learnt sumfink in the last six months you...




Oh yeah, I have learnededdedd something.

:rush:

Do me a favor, which I highly doubt any of you will do. Go ahead and just post what you have learned these past six months.

Lets go. I'll start.

I learned viruses are some of the most abundant 'things' on earth, estimated number of viruses is 1031.

I learned viruses are as small as .14 micron, while N95 is only capable of filtering down to .3 micron.

I learned, through experience, mask collect moisture throughout any given day I open my mouth to speak.

I learned surgical mask are used to protect paitents from drool and other mouth/nose droplets.

I learned in 1918, mask protest happened, claiming mask are making people sicker.

I learned that HCQ is a zinc ionophore and why it is used along side zinc in early prophylactic treatments.

I learned how important zinc is to an immune system.

I learned how important vitamin C is to an immune system.

I learned how important vitamin D is to an immune system.

I learned viruses are so small, they get inside cells.

I learned a little about antibodies and how they work.

I learned about T cell immunity and how it can remain responsive for many years, providing long term immunity.

I learned common colds are coronaviruses.

I learned about vaccines ingredients and how a dormant viral infection can remain in porcine gelatin, undetected.

I learned a little about how aluminum adjuvants are used as "placebo" during vaccine trials.

I learned that just because you see "placebo", does not mean it is a "true placebo", being an inert, saline solution with no additives.

I learned some disturbing things about Bill Gates and his foundation(s).

I learned Bill Gates was involved in vaccine pilot programs in poor countries with implied consent where a large percentage of consent forms were signed via thumb prints, indicating they may not even have spoken whatever language a pamphlet was given to them consist.

I learned how there is a correlation between vaccines and chronic diseases in children.

I learned how many vaccines a child gets before age 18.

I learned about thermasol and how much mecury a child is exposed to within its first 6 months of life.

I learned how adjuvants cross blood brain barriers, inflaming a brain and causes seizures.

I learned that countries with 'good healthcare' have higher infant mortality rates than countries with fewer scheduled vaccines.

I learned that Fauci has been head of niaid since the 80s.

I learned that Fauci and Gates are close.

I learned that Fauci and Gates funds gain of function research in CDC laboratories in Wuhan, China.

I learned that coronavirus research has been done since 2003 SARS outbreak, if not sooner.

I learned coronavirus vaccines have been attempted in animal trials, only to fail during challenge trials.

I learned about vaccine induced antibody dependant enhancement and Dengue virus vaccine.

I learned when vaccines were first established.

I learned aborted human fetuses are used in vaccine development.

I learned Bill Gates turned $10 billion into $200 billion in 20 years, a 20x gain.

I learned Bill Gates actually is doing research into microchip tattoo vaccine technology.

I learned a little about wayfair and human trafficking.

I learned about herd immunity.

I learned about winter burden of death.

I learned there is a spike in CO2 during winter because there is less plant life to filter it out.

I learned how CO2 causes hypoxia.

I learned about nasal breathing and how slow, deep breaths increase oxygen absorbtion.

I learned how large a nasal cavity is and how air is diffused as breath is slowly drawn in.

I learned about Qanon.

. . . I can go on.

Now, I'm almost certain than many of you already knew some of that, so I'll ask you, what have you learned these past six months?


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (08/04/20 08:46 PM)


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 7
    #26863463 - 08/04/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I learned to avoid reading your shitposts.
:notyou: . . . :peace:


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #26863466 - 08/04/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You really didn't know any of that shit until the last 6 months?

That explains a lot more than you meant to...


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26863467 - 08/04/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Asymptomatic people are healthy people showing no symptoms, and may never.

Then there's presymptomatic, where someone is infected but has yet to develop symptoms.

If you're saying I'm asymptomatic, I ask, until when?

Until I get sick and show symptoms, I'm no longer asymptomatic?

What if I don't get sick this year, or next?

Are you going to still scream at people two years from now when Covid-19 is no longer a threat.

As if it ever was.

The cure is proving to be more dangerous and deadly than Covid-19.

Lock down again, I was enjoying not dealing with retarded drivers, driving to work as an essential cannabis employee.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26863468 - 08/04/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

HamHead said:
Quote:

deucedbi9 said:
Maybe cos we learnt sumfink in the last six months you...




Oh yeah, I have learnededdedd something.

:rush:

Do me a favor, which I highly doubt any of you will do. Go ahead and just post what you have learned these past six months.

Lets go. I'll start.

I learned viruses are some of the most abundant 'things' on earth, estimated number of viruses is 1031.

I learned viruses are as small as .14 micron, while N95 is only capable of filtering down to .3 micron.

I learned, through experience, mask collect moisture throughout any given day I open my mouth to speak.

I learned surgical mask are used to protect paitents from drool and other mouth/nose droplets.

I learned in 1918, mask protest happened, claiming mask are making people sicker.

I learned that HCQ is a zinc ionophore and why it is used along side zinc in early prophylactic treatments.

I learned how important zinc is to an immune system.

I learned how important vitamin C is to an immune system.

I learned how important vitamin D is to an immune system.

I learned viruses are so small, they get inside cells.

I learned a little about antibodies and how they work.

I learned about T cell immunity and how it can remain responsive for many years, providing long term immunity.

I learned common colds are coronaviruses.

I learned about vaccines ingredients and how a dormant viral infection can remain in porcine gelatin, undetected.

I learned a little about how aluminum adjuvants are used as "placebo" during vaccine trials.

I learned that just because you see "placebo", does not mean it is a "true placebo", being an inert, saline solution with no additives.

I learned some disturbing things about Bill Gates and his foundation(s).

I learned Bill Gates was involved in vaccine pilot programs in poor countries with implied consent where a large percentage of consent forms were signed via thumb prints, indicating they may not even have spoken whatever language a pamphlet was given to them consist.

I learned how there is a correlation between vaccines and chronic diseases in children.

I learned how many vaccines a child gets before age 18.

I learned about thermasol and how much mecury a child is exposed to within its first 6 months of life.

I learned how adjuvants cross blood brain barriers, inflaming a brain and causes seizures.

I learned that countries with 'good healthcare' have higher infant mortality rates than countries with fewer scheduled vaccines.

I learned that Fauci has been head of niaid since the 80s.

I learned that Fauci and Gates are close.

I learned that Fauci and Gates funds gain of function research in CDC laboratories in Wuhan, China.

I learned that coronavirus research has been done since 2003 SARS outbreak, if not sooner.

I learned coronavirus vaccines have been attempted in animal trials, only to fail during challenge trials.

I learned about vaccine induced antibody dependant enhancement and Dengue virus vaccine.

I learned when vaccines were first established.

I learned aborted human fetuses are used in vaccine development.

I learned Bill Gates turned $10 billion into $200 billion in 20 years, a 20x gain.

I learned Bill Gates actually is doing research into microchip tattoo vaccine technology.

I learned a little about wayfair and human trafficking.

I learned about herd immunity.

I learned about winter burden of death.

I learned there is a spike in CO2 during winter because there is less plant life to filter it out.

I learned how CO2 causes hypoxia.

I learned about nasal breathing and how slow, deep breaths increase oxygen absorbtion.

I learned how large a nasal cavity is and how air is diffused as breath is slowly drawn in.

I learned about Qanon.

. . . I can go on.

Now, I'm almost certain than many of you already knew some of that, so I'll ask you, what have you learned these past six months?



Actually a pretty neat post.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: vinsue]
    #26863471 - 08/04/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

vinsue said:
I learned to avoid reading your shitposts.
:notyou: . . . :peace:




Then hit that ignore button.

But you can't, because then that precious 'Viral outbreak in China' thread goes away for you.

I'm curious as to how long it would have been for anyone else on Shroomery to notice this outbreak, as I did, way back on January 20th.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


Edited by HamHead (08/04/20 09:00 PM)


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26863493 - 08/04/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@people raving about how others don’t mask up
Listen!  I’m not against masks.  I also think it’s a little over the top you think that this super contagious virus could have been ENTIRELY contained just by wearing masks.  That is what you and a few others are implying, right?  You don’t think other countries might just be testing less people and that might account for the difference in numbers?  People who wear a mask don’t wash their hands constantly and so unless you travel with hand sanitizer and constantly wear a mask and pretty much imagine a bubble around you and your personal items at all times can you really NOT SPREAD something so contagious?  Like I said I wear a mask though because I don’t even want the dirty looks from people and it’s easy enough to keep one in my car so yeah.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: theRealrollforever] * 2
    #26863507 - 08/04/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think theyre horrible i think theyve been mislead by a person they idolized and they truly believe the pandemic is not a big deal and because Trump said it's under control again they think it is, masks don't work, it's a hoax,demon sperm lady was right etc. I just think the unwillingness to see that if we're wrong about masks (which the rest of the world proved that it does dramatically help) no one gets hurt.

If you're wrong about masks which science supports unilaterally supports, countless people die, we will always live in some fear, it has been proven to make us RE CLOSE all 50 states in one way or another leading to skyrocketing business closures,packed icus, went back up to 1k deaths in a lot of states, when schools reopen kids will spread it past the age of 18 and it will lead to the destruction of America as we know it.

See why I didn't think people who don't wear masks don't have empathy and aren't looking at long term economic recovery? My entire family and I need to go get groceries and also have immune problems. Thankfully people have worn masks 80% of the time so I'm not as worried as if I was in Florida.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26863520 - 08/04/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
I dont think theyre horrible i think theyve been mislead by a person they idolized and they truly believe the pandemic is not a big deal and because Trump said it's under control again they think it is, masks don't work, it's a hoax,demon sperm lady was right etc. I just think the unwillingness to see that if we're wrong about masks (which the rest of the world proved that it does dramatically help) no one gets hurt.

If you're wrong about masks which science supports unilaterally supports, countless people die, we will always live in some fear, it has been proven to make us RE CLOSE all 50 states in one way or another leading to skyrocketing business closures,packed icus, went back up to 1k deaths in a lot of states, when schools reopen kids will spread it past the age of 18 and it will lead to the destruction of America as we know it.

See why I didn't think people who don't wear masks don't have empathy and aren't looking at long term economic recovery? My entire family and I need to go get groceries and also have immune problems. Thankfully people have worn masks 80% of the time so I'm not as worried as if I was in Florida.




Your entire family has immune problems?

:whattefuck2:

My choice not to wear a mask has nothing to do with what Trump has said, but what studies have shown on mask that we've been doing for years.

But that science is old and we need to do all new studies about mask for 2020.

I bet they'll find, mask have no significant impact on transmission. As has been in past research.

And democrats want to shut down again to wreck a recovering economy, as people are going back to work, GDP will rise and Trump will be praised for making a swift recovery.

People are tired of Covid and many are waking up.

They may hide behind their mask to avoid being shamed, but underneath many of those mask is a silent majority.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited,  but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders

https://www.icandecide.org/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26863538 - 08/04/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Studies on masks have shown all over the world that it works. Canada, Europe Asia and Europe have their deaths down in the 10s to 100s they didn't debate masks so they weren't spared so bad while trying to flatten the curve. I know of one specific study someone posted in the thread that I had been following was a long term review of masks in the states and it showed that transmission rate goes down from 16% to 4% with a mask but everyone someone posts what doctors world wide are saying and you call it bullshit so there's no debating with you apparently.

I guess not wearing masks worked amazingly as we can all see in your world America is doing in trumps words 99.9% completely harmless. You may want to ask yourself if you can only find5 or 6 "studies" worldwide saying ineffective while we docs, doctors,nurses all over the world have shown the science of why that's bullshit maybe you're the one getting fed political driven propaganda not the Americans who wake up every day to a new staggering death toll, hospital capacities etc and want people to have common decency to listen to the medical professionals across the world instead of whatever media led you to believe masks don't work.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26863558 - 08/04/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Cough, cough.

Sweden.

No lockdown, no mask mandate, kids in school.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

"There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.

Review of the Medical Literature
Here are key anchor points to the extensive scientific literature that establishes that wearing surgical masks and respirators (e.g., “N95”) does not reduce the risk of contracting a verified illness:

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

“Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:



Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Conclusion Regarding That Masks Do Not Work
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).

Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.

Masks and respirators do not work.

Precautionary Principle Turned on Its Head with Masks
In light of the medical research, therefore, it is difficult to understand why public-health authorities are not consistently adamant about this established scientific result, since the distributed psychological, economic, and environmental harm from a broad recommendation to wear masks is significant, not to mention the unknown potential harm from concentration and distribution of pathogens on and from used masks. In this case, public authorities would be turning the precautionary principle on its head (see below).

Physics and Biology of Viral Respiratory Disease and of Why Masks Do Not Work
In order to understand why masks cannot possibly work, we must review established knowledge about viral respiratory diseases, the mechanism of seasonal variation of excess deaths from pneumonia and influenza, the aerosol mechanism of infectious disease transmission, the physics and chemistry of aerosols, and the mechanism of the so-called minimum-infective-dose.

In addition to pandemics that can occur anytime, in the temperate latitudes there is an extra burden of respiratory-disease mortality that is seasonal, and that is caused by viruses. For example, see the review of influenza by Paules and Subbarao (2017). This has been known for a long time, and the seasonal pattern is exceedingly regular. (Publisher's note: All links to source references to studies here forward are found at the end of this article.)

For example, see Figure 1 of Viboud (2010), which has “Weekly time series of the ratio of deaths from pneumonia and influenza to all deaths, based on the 122 cities surveillance in the US (blue line). The red line represents the expected baseline ratio in the absence of influenza activity,” here:



The seasonality of the phenomenon was largely not understood until a decade ago. Until recently, it was debated whether the pattern arose primarily because of seasonal change in virulence of the pathogens, or because of seasonal change in susceptibility of the host (such as from dry air causing tissue irritation, or diminished daylight causing vitamin deficiency or hormonal stress). For example, see Dowell (2001).

In a landmark study, Shaman et al. (2010) showed that the seasonal pattern of extra respiratory-disease mortality can be explained quantitatively on the sole basis of absolute humidity, and its direct controlling impact on transmission of airborne pathogens.

Lowen et al. (2007) demonstrated the phenomenon of humidity-dependent airborne-virus virulence in actual disease transmission between guinea pigs, and discussed potential underlying mechanisms for the measured controlling effect of humidity.

The underlying mechanism is that the pathogen-laden aerosol particles or droplets are neutralized within a half-life that monotonically and significantly decreases with increasing ambient humidity. This is based on the seminal work of Harper (1961). Harper experimentally showed that viral-pathogen-carrying droplets were inactivated within shorter and shorter times, as ambient humidity was increased.

Harper argued that the viruses themselves were made inoperative by the humidity (“viable decay”), however, he admitted that the effect could be from humidity-enhanced physical removal or sedimentation of the droplets (“physical loss”): “Aerosol viabilities reported in this paper are based on the ratio of virus titre to radioactive count in suspension and cloud samples, and can be criticized on the ground that test and tracer materials were not physically identical.”

The latter (“physical loss”) seems more plausible to me, since humidity would have a universal physical effect of causing particle/droplet growth and sedimentation, and all tested viral pathogens have essentially the same humidity-driven “decay.” Furthermore, it is difficult to understand how a virion (of all virus types) in a droplet would be molecularly or structurally attacked or damaged by an increase in ambient humidity. A “virion” is the complete, infective form of a virus outside a host cell, with a core of RNA or DNA and a capsid. The actual mechanism of such humidity-driven intra-droplet “viable decay” of a virion has not been explained or studied.

In any case, the explanation and model of Shaman et al. (2010) is not dependent on the particular mechanism of the humidity-driven decay of virions in aerosol/droplets. Shaman’s quantitatively demonstrated model of seasonal regional viral epidemiology is valid for either mechanism (or combination of mechanisms), whether “viable decay” or “physical loss.”

The breakthrough achieved by Shaman et al. is not merely some academic point. Rather, it has profound health-policy implications, which have been entirely ignored or overlooked in the current coronavirus pandemic.

In particular, Shaman’s work necessarily implies that, rather than being a fixed number (dependent solely on the spatial-temporal structure of social interactions in a completely susceptible population, and on the viral strain), the epidemic’s basic reproduction number (R0) is highly or predominantly dependent on ambient absolute humidity.

For a definition of R0, see HealthKnowlege-UK (2020): R0 is “the average number of secondary infections produced by a typical case of an infection in a population where everyone is susceptible.” The average R0 for influenza is said to be 1.28 (1.19–1.37); see the comprehensive review by Biggerstaff et al. (2014).

In fact, Shaman et al. showed that R0 must be understood to seasonally vary between humid-summer values of just larger than “1” and dry-winter values typically as large as “4” (for example, see their Table 2). In other words, the seasonal infectious viral respiratory diseases that plague temperate latitudes every year go from being intrinsically mildly contagious to virulently contagious, due simply to the bio-physical mode of transmission controlled by atmospheric humidity, irrespective of any other consideration.

Therefore, all the epidemiological mathematical modeling of the benefits of mediating policies (such as social distancing), which assumes humidity-independent R0 values, has a large likelihood of being of little value, on this basis alone. For studies about modeling and regarding mediation effects on the effective reproduction number, see Coburn (2009) and Tracht (2010).

To put it simply, the “second wave” of an epidemic is not a consequence of human sin regarding mask wearing and hand shaking. Rather, the “second wave” is an inescapable consequence of an air-dryness-driven many-fold increase in disease contagiousness, in a population that has not yet attained immunity.

If my view of the mechanism is correct (i.e., “physical loss”), then Shaman’s work further necessarily implies that the dryness-driven high transmissibility (large R0) arises from small aerosol particles fluidly suspended in the air; as opposed to large droplets that are quickly gravitationally removed from the air.

Such small aerosol particles fluidly suspended in air, of biological origin, are of every variety and are everywhere, including down to virion-sizes (Despres, 2012). It is not entirely unlikely that viruses can thereby be physically transported over inter-continental distances (e.g., Hammond, 1989).

More to the point, indoor airborne virus concentrations have been shown to exist (in day-care facilities, health centers, and on-board airplanes) primarily as aerosol particles of diameters smaller than 2.5 μm, such as in the work of Yang et al. (2011):

“Half of the 16 samples were positive, and their total virus −3 concentrations ranged from 5800 to 37 000 genome copies m . On average, 64 per cent of the viral genome copies were associated with fine particles smaller than 2.5 μm, which can remain suspended for hours. Modeling of virus concentrations indoors suggested a source strength of 1.6 ± 1.2 × 105 genome copies m−3 air h−1 and a deposition flux onto surfaces of 13 ± 7 genome copies m−2 h−1 by Brownian motion. Over one hour, the inhalation dose was estimated to be 30 ± 18 median tissue culture infectious dose (TCID50), adequate to induce infection. These results provide quantitative support for the idea that the aerosol route could be an important mode of influenza transmission.”

Such small particles (< 2.5 μm) are part of air fluidity, are not subject to gravitational sedimentation, and would not be stopped by long-range inertial impact. This means that the slightest (even momentary) facial misfit of a mask or respirator renders the design filtration norm of the mask or respirator entirely irrelevant. In any case, the filtration material itself of N95 (average pore size ~0.3−0.5 μm) does not block virion penetration, not to mention surgical masks. For example, see Balazy et al. (2006).

Mask stoppage efficiency and host inhalation are only half of the equation, however, because the minimal infective dose (MID) must also be considered. For example, if a large number of pathogen-laden particles must be delivered to the lung within a certain time for the illness to take hold, then partial blocking by any mask or cloth can be enough to make a significant difference.

On the other hand, if the MID is amply surpassed by the virions carried in a single aerosol particle able to evade mask-capture, then the mask is of no practical utility, which is the case.

Yezli and Otter (2011), in their review of the MID, point out relevant features:

Most respiratory viruses are as infective in humans as in tissue culture having optimal laboratory susceptibility
It is believed that a single virion can be enough to induce illness in the host
The 50-percent probability MID (“TCID50”) has variably been found to be in the range 100−1000 virions
There are typically 10 to 3rd power − 10 to 7th power virions per aerolized influenza droplet with diameter 1 μm − 10 μm
The 50-percent probability MID easily fits into a single (one) aerolized droplet
For further background:
A classic description of dose-response assessment is provided by Haas (1993).
Zwart et al. (2009) provided the first laboratory proof, in a virus-insect system, that the action of a single virion can be sufficient to cause disease.
Baccam et al. (2006) calculated from empirical data that, with influenza A in humans,“we estimate that after a delay of ~6 h, infected cells begin producing influenza virus and continue to do so for ~5 h. The average lifetime of infected cells is ~11 h, and the half-life of free infectious virus is ~3 h. We calculated the [in-body] basic reproductive number, R0, which indicated that a single infected cell could produce ~22 new productive infections.”
Brooke et al. (2013) showed that, contrary to prior modeling assumptions, although not all influenza-A-infected cells in the human body produce infectious progeny (virions), nonetheless, 90 percent of infected cell are significantly impacted, rather than simply surviving unharmed.
All of this to say that: if anything gets through (and it always does, irrespective of the mask), then you are going to be infected. Masks cannot possibly work. It is not surprising, therefore, that no bias-free study has ever found a benefit from wearing a mask or respirator in this application.

Therefore, the studies that show partial stopping power of masks, or that show that masks can capture many large droplets produced by a sneezing or coughing mask-wearer, in light of the above-described features of the problem, are irrelevant. For example, such studies as these: Leung (2020), Davies (2013), Lai (2012), and Sande (2008).

Why There Can Never Be an Empirical Test of a Nation-Wide Mask-Wearing Policy
As mentioned above, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public. There is good reason for this. It would be impossible to obtain unambiguous and bias-free results [because]:

Any benefit from mask-wearing would have to be a small effect, since undetected in controlled experiments, which would be swamped by the larger effects, notably the large effect from changing atmospheric humidity.
Mask compliance and mask adjustment habits would be unknown.
Mask-wearing is associated (correlated) with several other health behaviors; see Wada (2012).
The results would not be transferable, because of differing cultural habits.
Compliance is achieved by fear, and individuals can habituate to fear-based propaganda, and can have disparate basic responses.
Monitoring and compliance measurement are near-impossible, and subject to large errors.
Self-reporting (such as in surveys) is notoriously biased, because individuals have the self-interested belief that their efforts are useful.
Progression of the epidemic is not verified with reliable tests on large population samples, and generally relies on non-representative hospital visits or admissions.
Several different pathogens (viruses and strains of viruses) causing respiratory illness generally act together, in the same population and/or in individuals, and are not resolved, while having different epidemiological characteristics.
Unknown Aspects of Mask Wearing
Many potential harms may arise from broad public policies to wear masks, and the following unanswered questions arise:

Do used and loaded masks become sources of enhanced transmission, for the wearer and others?
Do masks become collectors and retainers of pathogens that the mask wearer would otherwise avoid when breathing without a mask?
Are large droplets captured by a mask atomized or aerolized into breathable components? Can virions escape an evaporating droplet stuck to a mask fiber?
What are the dangers of bacterial growth on a used and loaded mask?
How do pathogen-laden droplets interact with environmental dust and aerosols captured on the mask?
What are long-term health effects on HCW, such as headaches, arising from impeded breathing?
Are there negative social consequences to a masked society?
Are there negative psychological consequences to wearing a mask, as a fear-based behavioral modification?
What are the environmental consequences of mask manufacturing and disposal?
Do the masks shed fibers or substances that are harmful when inhaled?
Conclusion
By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.

Otherwise, what is the point of publicly funded science?

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history."

Could someone with a science degree go through all that data and tell me mask work.

Because I'm too stupid, apparently.

See, I can insult me too!

Doubt anybody reads this.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26863569 - 08/04/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

"Doubt anybody reads this."

First thing you've been right about for awhile now. Cough cough.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: pineninja]
    #26863575 - 08/04/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
"Doubt anybody reads this."

First thing you've been right about for awhile now. Cough cough.




That's too bad.

Continue to live in fear of a cold.

Colds are coronaviruses, why should Covid 19 be considered anything different?

Perhaps, American health shit and so many are unhealthy that even a common cold causes serious disease.

Forget about NYC having over 32,000 deaths alone.

Wonder if Cuomo had any enemies sitting in any of those nursing homes, being the mobster he is.

:waitthatsbad:


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: HamHead]
    #26863666 - 08/05/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What are the leading causes of death each year and what causes an massive economic shutdown for the most part.  Sure as hell isn't corona so what are we in for HamHead? 

And why is it endlessly being beaten into our brains by the media day in and day out?

W.H.O.  Guess what?  Fat people.  For those that want a list they should of shut down supermarkets and restaurants long ago and mandated globally stomach staples for those that can't control their appetite should be forced to do so.

But when do statistics ever matter?  Greater agenda at play?  We all get to see how it plays out together!:wonka:

What is the death toll in the World?  Does it crack the top ten for 2020?  Lol.
https://www.who.int/gho/mortality_burden_disease/causes_death/top_10/en/


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Barnaby] * 6
    #26863713 - 08/05/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I had covid in march. I almost died. Im mid 30's no underlying health conditions. my friend is dead, he was healthier than I and 2 years younger. His wife barely survived. if you sit here and try and tell me at the very least a mask does not slow the velocity of the aerosol particles to LITERALLY REDUCE THE SPREAD of your wasted breaths then you are dumber than you are stupid. And if you tell me they cause health problems then tell that to brain and heart surgeons who wear them for 12-24 hours at a time while being covered by their liability insurance.

Pandemic Protocol, which should have been a time limited, standardized preventative measure, is not the removal of rights. Its common decency. Its a mild inconvenience you should endure for the good of others. People copy and paste articles that prove their point without falsifying them against similar studies just so they can pat themselves on the back with one hand and jerk off while smelling their own farts with the other. GTF over yourself. Do you wonder why that study popped up in your search results?

If you think the low risk of mask wearing outweighs the high risk of illness then we should play poker some day because you cant tell a good bet from a bad one. Low risk and high reward.

Ive had the flu, it was not even close. People who think covid is the flu then must think herpes, or polio is the flu and dont understand what a virus is.

I got sick in mid march, was sick until april 12th. Stayed quarantined until may 15th. Saw people out having fun, riding bikes in the warm weather I still stayed in.  Not one person at my job, in my apartment building, or a member of my family got sick after. The spread stopped with me. If you cant wear a mask then stay inside. this could have been over already.

I think the dislike of masks is pretty much the most accurate test we have for either low IQ or borderline personality disorder. Same people who start to list all the ways people die to disarm severity are the same people who say all lives matter because they cant comprehend not being the center of attention and just like to argue.

if you truly think it's just the flu then it won't be a problem for you to go to the hospital and volunteer your services to the sick and dying laying there by themselves. You can keep them company and since masks don't work you won't need any protective gear.

I said what I said


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: scrantonstrangler] * 3
    #26863728 - 08/05/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I had covid in march. I almost died. Im mid 30's no underlying health conditions. my friend is dead, he was healthier than I and 2 years younger. His wife barely survived. if you sit here and try and tell me at the very least a mask does not slow the velocity of the aerosol particles to LITERALLY REDUCE THE SPREAD of your wasted breaths then you are dumber than you are stupid. And if you tell me they cause health problems then tell that to brain and heart surgeons who wear them for 12-24 hours at a time while being covered by their liability insurance.

Pandemic Protocol, which should have been a time limited, standardized preventative measure, is not the removal of rights. Its common decency. Its a mild inconvenience you should endure for the good of others. People copy and paste articles that prove their point without falsifying them against similar studies just so they can pat themselves on the back with one hand and jerk off while smelling their own farts with the other. GTF over yourself. Do you wonder why that study popped up in your search results?

If you think the low risk of mask wearing outweighs the high risk of illness then we should play poker some day because you cant tell a good bet from a bad one. Low risk and high reward.

Ive had the flu, it was not even close. People who think covid is the flu then must think herpes, or polio is the flu and dont understand what a virus is.

I got sick in mid march, was sick until april 12th. Stayed quarantined until may 15th. Saw people out having fun, riding bikes in the warm weather I still stayed in.  Not one person at my job, in my apartment building, or a member of my family got sick after. The spread stopped with me. If you cant wear a mask then stay inside. this could have been over already.

I think the dislike of masks is pretty much the most accurate test we have for either low IQ or borderline personality disorder. Same people who start to list all the ways people die to disarm severity are the same people who say all lives matter because they cant comprehend not being the center of attention and just like to argue.

if you truly think it's just the flu then it won't be a problem for you to go to the hospital and volunteer your services to the sick and dying laying there by themselves. You can keep them company and since masks don't work you won't need any protective gear.

I said what I said




Great post.
I'm glad you pulled through sorry about your friend.
Do yourself a favour and leave it there...you cant stop the stupid.


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