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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #26660667 - 05/09/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Masks don't protect you if you're not wearing goggles.

Masks only help minimize the virus aerosol effect from the infected.




That's why we are calling everyone asymptomatic, so no one feels left out.

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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26661409 - 05/10/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Okay, I'll agree with you that the media is out of control.  Yes.  No argument on that one. 

I'm not following the media, but rather reading scholarly sources of information.  Doctor's research, worldwide health organizations, etc.  Am I driven by fear?  No.  I'm still going to the store, going to work 40 hours a week, etc.  I've always avoided touching my face and washed my hands regularly because I have a compromised immune system.  I haven't had to change much behavior of my own to get through this.

Your train of thought about the New World Order, though...that sounds like it came straight out of my 70 year old Dad's mouth, and he legit wears a tinfoil hat to watch hours of YouTube in his retirement.  He's starting to get dementia.  It's not an attack, but more an observation.
:tinfoil:  :morefoil:

He believes calico cats come from satan.  Do you believe satan invented calico cats?  Just wanna see if y'all fell down the same YouTube hole.




I understand where you're coming from, but basing the reality of potential complex, global conspiracy on your aging father is a poor argument...and I even agree with you lol.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26661625 - 05/10/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The new world order is a biblical prophecy somewhat, though the exact terminology isn't in the bible.
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Much of The Bible was also written from a perspective that the world was comprised of the Middle East
The peoples living in the Americas, let alone the continents they lived upon, were not even known to exist

Am under the impression that the accounts of global flooding as appear in Genesis are the remnants of a oral story-telling culture
that was in north eastern Africa at the time of the younger dryas and flooding of the Savannah
and that the rainfalls were so catastrophic for that area that it was actually thought to be a drowning of the world
this would also provide an account of why the flood is such a common theme, showing up in ancient Sumerian myth as well

but yeah, do not trust religious "prophecy" too far

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Politicians have straight up used the words themselves new world order.

Then you got the Georgia guide stones which have been getting vandalized during the virus.



I am not sure what validates a conspiracy but someone took the time to erect giant ass inscribed stones in secrecy describing a new world order.




The guide stones are my real point of interest here
am familiar with them, and think they are pretty fucked up
but rather than being of a conspiratorial opinion that they are guiding modern political movements
it is my impression that someone had the "brilliant" idea to leave a seemingly special icon standing
so in the event of global nuclear catastrophe, it would be found by the generations that rebuild
and interepreted as being of more importance than it is because it is standing stones

kind of like how modern scientists still try to dissect the principles behind Stonehenge
when it was likely just a societal assurance of a reliable calendar, and thus, an indicator of safe planting times for crops

none of this is to claim that the most powerful figures in the world are not trying to move towards a new world order
it is clear that a global "unification" that is really just an affair of convenience for the rich while the rest of us are limited to our existing localities
is definitely being pursued

but think the Georgia guide stones have an ulterior, one could speculate as being equally sinister, motive behind their placement
it is not so that current politicians can check up on the list and see how they are doing
it is so that remnants of civilization begin to rebuild by specific parameters
the most telling part of this is the writing being in a sort of "Rosetta Stone" archaelogical purpose of conveying the same information in a variety of languages
so that people of different backgrounds can work towards the same goals

really tho, people go about vandalizing them all wrong
don't waste time applying spray paint that can be scrubbed off
take a pickaxe to the thing and destroy its messaging


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Double]
    #26661633 - 05/10/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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haha that's not the vast of majority of people. Some people are drinking bleach and rubbing alcohol too, you don't see me here calling you all stupid.

I watch people at supermarkets pouring hand sanitizer on their latex gloves.. it's fucking ridiculous!




How is that ridiculous? Gloves can transfer virus just as easily as hands.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26661760 - 05/10/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Loaded Shaman said:

I understand where you're coming from, but basing the reality of potential complex, global conspiracy on your aging father is a poor argument...and I even agree with you lol.




It wasn’t an argument. It was an observation.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: ShroomerInTheRye]
    #26661916 - 05/10/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I am required to wear a mask at work after I already got covid and recovered and most likely possess immunity.  Rules are rules though, whether they have an internal logical consistency or not.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #26661920 - 05/10/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just learned that all these reinfection cases, are most likely false positives


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
    #26661928 - 05/10/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Just learned that all these reinfection cases, are most likely false positives



They're most likely not reinfection cases but they're probably not false positives either.  The tests for covid test for the RNA of the virus which can be obtained from both living and dead viruses.  Which means you can test positive for covid from dead viruses which are not causing an infection.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #26661984 - 05/10/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Having trouble understanding how you can have a dead virus that produced RNA, if it was not in fact "alive" at one point.

Using the term live/dead with viruses isn't really possible. They are not living to begin with.

Are you saying they never hijacked the host and used cellular mechanisms to reproduce?


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
    #26661996 - 05/10/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The virus never produced any RNA. An infected cell does. If that cells dies before finishing building the virus RNA segments spill out.

This is common once you've recovered as infected cells are killed by the immune system.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: singlet_oxygen]
    #26662008 - 05/10/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So a false positive then?


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
    #26662032 - 05/10/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The PCR test detects RNA. RNA was there and the test detected it. In that sense it's a true positive.

It's more accurate to say that we think of the PCR test in the wrong way.

This is not a new problem.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: singlet_oxygen]
    #26662052 - 05/10/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

False positive in a disease sense, true positive in a sense of detecting RNA fragments from a virus.

Depends I guess if we are talking clinically.

Also we aren't even sure yet if the virus can be reactivated like herpes and other viruses that can become latent.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: koods]
    #26662071 - 05/10/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Fine. It's not ridiculous to pour hand sanitizer onto your latex gloves at the supermarket. When I saw this, I thought it was funny. I kept thinking to myself "why doesn't she just pour the sanitizer directly to her hands?" but whatever.

To answer ShroomerInTheRye, I understand that people with compromised health are afraid, I get it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist guy, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Take a look at what they (the governments of countries around the world) have done to you in a matter of days. When the next virus comes, which it will and it'll be way worse than covid, there is no telling what they'll order you to do, and you will do it. You'll do anything at this point. They know this now and corona is proof.

What happened to people dying in the middle east due to endless wars? what happened to aids? cancer? alcohol related problems? diabetes? I can go on and on.

Where I live, lockdown was supposed to be over today, with restrictions. People loved this president when the lockdown was announced. As soon as word got out that they were lifting it, people turned on the president. Everyone started saying how it was too soon, irresponsible, and that he was making a huge mistake.

So here we are, the lockdown will extent for two more weeks. People love the president back again. At this point, who knows if they will ever lift the lockdown or just continue to extent it. And I'm not saying that the virus ain't real, I'm not. This shit is serious. If its worth destroying the economy of the world and drive people into financial ruin for the sake of health, for the sake of fear, fine. I have a job now, I can survive.

Health will be compromised way worse when people continue to not eat properly due to not having money, being inside for so long that their immune systems weakens, and the stress and anxiety people are being put under due to the fear spread by media 24/7, which in turn weakens our immune system even more.

On a lighter note, happy mother's day to all of your moms. I think in the States you celebrate on the 12th, here it's celebrated on the second sunday of May, stay safe and healthy.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
    #26662518 - 05/10/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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False positive in a disease sense, true positive in a sense of detecting RNA fragments from a virus.

Depends I guess if we are talking clinically.

Also we aren't even sure yet if the virus can be reactivated like herpes and other viruses that can become latent.




99.99% chance that can't happen with this virus, herpes etc travel on nerves, there is absolutely no reason to think this virus does that.

Herpes hides in the spine where the immune system can't reach and travels out down the nerves from the spine causing rash outbreaks like herpes blisters, chicken pox rashes etc.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
    #26662659 - 05/10/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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False positive in a disease sense, true positive in a sense of detecting RNA fragments from a virus.

Depends I guess if we are talking clinically.

Also we aren't even sure yet if the virus can be reactivated like herpes and other viruses that can become latent.




99.99% chance that can't happen with this virus, herpes etc travel on nerves, there is absolutely no reason to think this virus does that.

Herpes hides in the spine where the immune system can't reach and travels out down the nerves from the spine causing rash outbreaks like herpes blisters, chicken pox rashes etc.




Herpes hangs out in the ganglion not necessarily the spine. While it would be rather odd for it to reactivate, we just don't know enough yet.
Don't really wanna dig out my anatomy books, but they might be considered spinal still.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: oculodextro]
    #26663025 - 05/10/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Spine, not spine either way coronaviruses are very common and not one indicates that this is something to be concerned about.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: budmanman]
    #26663110 - 05/10/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Spine, not spine either way coronaviruses are very common and not one indicates that this is something to be concerned about.




Never heard of MERS have you... luckily it is hard to transmit but a 40% fatality rate is a bit, whats the word I'm looking for, ah yes concerning.


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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26663151 - 05/10/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: I am now being told I have to wear a mask. [Re: Ice9]
    #26663175 - 05/10/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Spine, not spine either way coronaviruses are very common and not one indicates that this is something to be concerned about.




Never heard of MERS have you... luckily it is hard to transmit but a 40% fatality rate is a bit, whats the word I'm looking for, ah yes concerning.




What does that have to do with viruses that hide in the spinal area? lmao

The nice thing about most really deadly viruses is that they make people very sick very fast which makes them hard to spread.

Like Sars 1. We didn't have a major outbreak because it made people very sick and die very fast.

50% fatality rate of sars 1 in 65 and older, 15% outside of that.

Despite it being a much worse virus, it had very little impact on the world.


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