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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26641341 - 05/01/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Whether it turns out to be a true or not if you trust anything that guy says then you're a mug. My guess is he's just trying to stir the shit pot. That's how he won the last election. China this china that fuck china blablabla. And everyone laps up all the nationalistic bullshit and tensions are stirred on both sides. Fuck that guy.




https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-threatens-use-of-tariffs-against-china-as-coronavirus-retaliation-2020-04-30

Additional tariffs on China would be a positive move, since the existing tariffs have proven to be completely inadequate in nature.

The US has a ridiculously high trade deficit with China, why wouldn't US citizens embrace economic nationalism at this point?




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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #26641343 - 05/01/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What justification does an investigation need?




More than someone I know lying about something unrelated to my potential investigation?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26641346 - 05/01/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Investigation is how we discover things.  I don't see why any justification is necessary at all.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
    #26641347 - 05/01/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Not this one,  though. You're being intellectually dishonest.




Viruses mutate. Viruses mutate very rapidly.

There is no evidence that this particular strain was ever in a lab.

If it was in a lab, then there is likely already research on preventing it, as coronaviruses are generally an economic problem that kills livestock. Considering China isn't currently announcing a vaccine/vaccine development, which would be quite the feather in their cap, Occam's Razor dictates that this lab idea was the fevered brainchild of a demented world leader who is losing hold on both the narrative and reality, and nothing else.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26641357 - 05/01/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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More than someone I know lying about something unrelated to my potential investigation?



    So why not just tell the truth and avoid going to jail if you find yourself in that situation ?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26641365 - 05/01/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That's nowhere near the same thing, though.

If it was, I'm pretty sure anyone that has every worked in fossil fuels is guilty of crimes against humanity due to their many accidents.




Im not sure what youre getting at. My comment didnt make any implication that china would be guilty of crimea against humanity for a virus escaping a research facility of theirs.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26641373 - 05/01/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Today, implications of facts matter as much as facts themselves.

Speculation, especially one that is based on the ramblings of dumpty which goes directly against the head of the US intelligence community, is a dangerous thing.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mandrin13] * 2
    #26641379 - 05/01/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Trump stated yesterday that there is strong evidence it came from the Wuhan lab.




So what you’re saying is there is no evidence it came from a lab


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26641403 - 05/01/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know if it started in a lab and neither does Trump. Most experts don't think it did. Trump wants to stoke the flames that China is responsible because in his eyes that not only means he isn't responsible, it also means China has made a an incredibly bold move to sabotage his reelection chances. It serves the third purpose of pitting Russia and China against each other because Russia doe want Trump to be President.

The one flaw I see here is that would mean that Trump was capable of constructing a conspiracy theory (false or true no matter) that involved thinking of three different things at the same time, and I don't think he is capable of doing that. Maybe he got help.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26641409 - 05/01/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

One other thing. On the disinfectants and bleach thing, regardless of what each of us think, many prominent Republican leaders think Trump made a big mistake. I predict we will see many more examples of that party's disunity in the coming months.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
    #26641415 - 05/01/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Today, implications of facts matter as much as facts themselves.

Speculation, especially one that is based on the ramblings of dumpty which goes directly against the head of the US intelligence community, is a dangerous thing.



Right. I thinknthis article is why he is bringing it up now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741%3famp=1
He is looking for a way to point a finger at fauci.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26641421 - 05/01/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't know if it started in a lab and neither does Trump. Most experts don't think it did. Trump wants to stoke the flames that China is responsible because in his eyes that not only means he isn't responsible, it also means China has made a an incredibly bold move to sabotage his reelection chances. It serves the third purpose of pitting Russia and China against each other because Russia doe want Trump to be President.

The one flaw I see here is that would mean that Trump was capable of constructing a conspiracy theory (false or true no matter) that involved thinking of three different things at the same time, and I don't think he is capable of doing that. Maybe he got help.




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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26641435 - 05/01/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean...he made a bold statement when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall...
Just to be clear, I think its very plausible that the virus could have found its way out of a research facility, look at lyme disease. But I dont believe a yhing that comes out of trumps mouth until someone with some credibility confirms.



Just to be clear lyme isn't man made

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26641438 - 05/01/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Today, implications of facts matter as much as facts themselves.

Speculation, especially one that is based on the ramblings of dumpty which goes directly against the head of the US intelligence community, is a dangerous thing.



Right. I thinknthis article is why he is bringing it up now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741%3famp=1
He is looking for a way to point a finger at fauci.




Right, I remember Giuliani going on twitter and wondering why "Obama started the project" back in 2017...when Obama was busy vacationing across the world.

Personally, I'd say this is important research. It provides information on the virus, as well as creating potential treatments. Right now, the most promising avenue of research is targeting the "spike" proteins on Covid-19, which this could very well do.

There's also a bit of a chicken-or-egg aspect to this: Did the virus originate in Wuhan because it escaped from the lab, or did the Wuhan lab do the research because they were closest to the natural sources of the virus?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26641440 - 05/01/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I mean...he made a bold statement when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall...
Just to be clear, I think its very plausible that the virus could have found its way out of a research facility, look at lyme disease. But I dont believe a yhing that comes out of trumps mouth until someone with some credibility confirms.



Just to be clear lyme isn't man made



I never implied it was.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26641454 - 05/01/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigation is how we discover things.  I don't see why any justification is necessary at all.




So if the FBI comes into your home for no reason and looks through all of your possessions and questions you in the name of an investigation, you'll take no issue with it? It's all in the name of discovering "things".

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    #26641463 - 05/01/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigation is how we discover things.  I don't see why any justification is necessary at all.




So if the FBI comes into your home for no reason and looks through all of your possessions and questions you in the name of an investigation, you'll take no issue with it? It's all in the name of discovering "things".




If they have a warrant, that's literally how it works, yes.

Sure, I'd be annoyed, but nobody gives a fuck what I think when they have a warrant.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26641477 - 05/01/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Is that what happened?


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    #26641499 - 05/01/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Investigation is how we discover things.  I don't see why any justification is necessary at all.




So if the FBI comes into your home for no reason and looks through all of your possessions and questions you in the name of an investigation, you'll take no issue with it? It's all in the name of discovering "things".




If they have a warrant, that's literally how it works, yes.

Sure, I'd be annoyed, but nobody gives a fuck what I think when they have a warrant.




But an investigation is how we discover things, isn't that the most important issue here?  The reason for an investigation isn't important, just potentially discovering things is the justification.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
    #26641531 - 05/01/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Searching a house requires a warrant.  A warrant requires probable cause.  Why are you being so dishonest?  An investigation requires no probable cause whatsoever.


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