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    #26640869 - 05/01/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



The main argument behind antinatalism, essentially saying that it’s better to not birth anymore people if the goal is to prevent suffering in the world due to the chaotic nature of life. From what I understand of the argument it seems as though life is just cycle of suffering and that it’s better to not continue that. It’s pretty close to advocating suicide really.

In a sense I share the sentiment. I have often thought that there can’t be an intelligence to creation because only an idiot or a sadist would create life.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 3
    #26640885 - 05/01/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You know what? If I was of a vast intelligence enough to have created life (and so humans) I couldn't think of a better environment to give them in which to learn and grow. All the obstactles and challenges and tragedy are the perfect situations in which to test them for fitness and ability to learn and handle it with a cool head.

The fact that many don't is not the problem of the environment - IMO - It's of the creatures themselves. As a creater, I would not consider it my fault if 80% of them turned out to morons.

And yes Thanatos, we all know you wish you were dead and didn't have to struggle like the rest of us. For not the first time ever; I remind you that you sound just like a broken record.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #26640896 - 05/01/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Funny, I feel quite the opposite as Thanatos.  I’ve also thought the same thing in the past, but it was just the mark of a bs spoiled attitude and mind.  Better to have been, than to never have been at all.  It’s clear as day. 


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26640903 - 05/01/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhh, another poor little rich boy who hasn't found anything to do but bitch about his wealthy rich woes, give me a fucking break.:scat: I do agree on not having kids unless people are set with money and an education, that helps prevent most suffering, except for this fucking rich prick. Ooohhh, he's got it sooooo baaaaad, fuck that guy!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26640904 - 05/01/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s better to have ____ and lost than to never have _____ at all


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26640908 - 05/01/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It’s better to have farted____ and lost than to never have farted_____ at all




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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26640914 - 05/01/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It’s better to have farted____ and lost than to never have farted_____ at all







Never gamble with a fart you cannot afford to lose on


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26640919 - 05/01/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Kenny Rogers wrote a whole song about it, The Gambler, lol!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26640927 - 05/01/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Kenny Rogers -  rubbby




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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26640939 - 05/01/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There was about a decade where he was hot as hell, now he's a scary motherfucker with all that plastic surgery!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26640942 - 05/01/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26640947 - 05/01/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Goddammit! They killed Kenny!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26640955 - 05/01/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

R.I.P. Chester



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26640956 - 05/01/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The Doors -  The End



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26641094 - 05/01/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So I have struggled for most of my life with a strong underlining feeling that I want to die and also a wish that I had never been born.  What I look forward to about death is that when I return to non existence, I won't know that I don't know and conversely I feel that because I don't know what I have/don't have (actually from life's point of view) that I in fact will have everything, why?, because I don't know that I have it and I don't know that I don't have it, and if I had never been born, I wouldn't know what I missed out on (that is being born) so it would not in my eternal sleep be a problem for me.
I hope that make sense.

but now that I am here, the top things for me about life is,

pizza's, yummy foods, Human Interactions (but also HI are in the worst things about life categorie), motorbikes and going fast on them, the sight of a beautiful woman, magic mushrooms, music, games, amazing landscapes, clouds and the moon shining through them, stars, movies and cool websites like this one. there's a few more, but these are the main ones :thumbup:.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26641101 - 05/01/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

It seems people on here misunderstand what antinatalism is and why people advocate it. It’s laughable and privileged to think life some kind of test one has to pass.

From an intelligence standpoint the creation of life is illogical and sadistic really. A cycle of suffering that just repeats.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26641125 - 05/01/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26641145 - 05/01/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It’s laughable and privileged to think...



LOL, you're a fine one to talk on that one Mr 'I live with my parents in Florida and I don't believe that any of you actually exist'.

Gimmie a break, jesus, you're killing me over here with this stuff!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26641711 - 05/01/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.




I pretty much gave it to you in the wiki link. Also wouldn’t it be on you to prove why suffering is something to endure? I mean the anti Natalist argument seems logical. Humans are forced into this world against their will and into suffering untold. Happiness isn’t a guarantee but suffering is. It’s a raw deal from any sane person really.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26641715 - 05/01/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.




Not really. People advocate a loving intelligence or benevolent one and such a claim is immediately undermined when they comprehend what life really is without our little rose colored glasses.

At the very least such an intelligence must be a psychopath.


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