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    #26640869 - 05/01/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



The main argument behind antinatalism, essentially saying that it’s better to not birth anymore people if the goal is to prevent suffering in the world due to the chaotic nature of life. From what I understand of the argument it seems as though life is just cycle of suffering and that it’s better to not continue that. It’s pretty close to advocating suicide really.

In a sense I share the sentiment. I have often thought that there can’t be an intelligence to creation because only an idiot or a sadist would create life.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 3
    #26640885 - 05/01/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You know what? If I was of a vast intelligence enough to have created life (and so humans) I couldn't think of a better environment to give them in which to learn and grow. All the obstactles and challenges and tragedy are the perfect situations in which to test them for fitness and ability to learn and handle it with a cool head.

The fact that many don't is not the problem of the environment - IMO - It's of the creatures themselves. As a creater, I would not consider it my fault if 80% of them turned out to morons.

And yes Thanatos, we all know you wish you were dead and didn't have to struggle like the rest of us. For not the first time ever; I remind you that you sound just like a broken record.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #26640896 - 05/01/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Funny, I feel quite the opposite as Thanatos.  I’ve also thought the same thing in the past, but it was just the mark of a bs spoiled attitude and mind.  Better to have been, than to never have been at all.  It’s clear as day. 


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26640903 - 05/01/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ahhh, another poor little rich boy who hasn't found anything to do but bitch about his wealthy rich woes, give me a fucking break.:scat: I do agree on not having kids unless people are set with money and an education, that helps prevent most suffering, except for this fucking rich prick. Ooohhh, he's got it sooooo baaaaad, fuck that guy!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26640904 - 05/01/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It’s better to have ____ and lost than to never have _____ at all


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26640908 - 05/01/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26640914 - 05/01/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It’s better to have farted____ and lost than to never have farted_____ at all







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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26640919 - 05/01/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Kenny Rogers wrote a whole song about it, The Gambler, lol!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26640927 - 05/01/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Kenny Rogers -  rubbby




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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26640939 - 05/01/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There was about a decade where he was hot as hell, now he's a scary motherfucker with all that plastic surgery!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26640942 - 05/01/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26640947 - 05/01/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Goddammit! They killed Kenny!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26640955 - 05/01/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26640956 - 05/01/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26641094 - 05/01/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I have struggled for most of my life with a strong underlining feeling that I want to die and also a wish that I had never been born.  What I look forward to about death is that when I return to non existence, I won't know that I don't know and conversely I feel that because I don't know what I have/don't have (actually from life's point of view) that I in fact will have everything, why?, because I don't know that I have it and I don't know that I don't have it, and if I had never been born, I wouldn't know what I missed out on (that is being born) so it would not in my eternal sleep be a problem for me.
I hope that make sense.

but now that I am here, the top things for me about life is,

pizza's, yummy foods, Human Interactions (but also HI are in the worst things about life categorie), motorbikes and going fast on them, the sight of a beautiful woman, magic mushrooms, music, games, amazing landscapes, clouds and the moon shining through them, stars, movies and cool websites like this one. there's a few more, but these are the main ones :thumbup:.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26641101 - 05/01/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

It seems people on here misunderstand what antinatalism is and why people advocate it. It’s laughable and privileged to think life some kind of test one has to pass.

From an intelligence standpoint the creation of life is illogical and sadistic really. A cycle of suffering that just repeats.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26641125 - 05/01/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26641145 - 05/01/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It’s laughable and privileged to think...



LOL, you're a fine one to talk on that one Mr 'I live with my parents in Florida and I don't believe that any of you actually exist'.

Gimmie a break, jesus, you're killing me over here with this stuff!


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26641711 - 05/01/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.




I pretty much gave it to you in the wiki link. Also wouldn’t it be on you to prove why suffering is something to endure? I mean the anti Natalist argument seems logical. Humans are forced into this world against their will and into suffering untold. Happiness isn’t a guarantee but suffering is. It’s a raw deal from any sane person really.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26641715 - 05/01/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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That it's sadistic and illogical is a matter of perspective, and doesn't speak to anything beyond your specific point of view about intelligent creation. You are personifying a diety you don't believe in and imagining it falls in line with your own rationale.

On anti-natalism, define suffering, and explain why it is something to avoid, hide from and resist rather than to endure.




Not really. People advocate a loving intelligence or benevolent one and such a claim is immediately undermined when they comprehend what life really is without our little rose colored glasses.

At the very least such an intelligence must be a psychopath.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26641716 - 05/01/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You do have a point. We don't really have a choice in who we become or who we are born into. We just "are" one day at birth and that's our life.

My only advice to you Thanatos is keeping pondering the big questions. I like to think its helpful for ya.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26641909 - 05/01/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I pretty much gave it to you in the wiki link. Also wouldn’t it be on you to prove why suffering is something to endure? I mean the anti Natalist argument seems logical.



The Wiki link doesn't really define suffering, only uses it to explain antinatalism. Suffering is a very charged word that can have multiple meanings as it has religious, philosophical and traditional meaning, and it's best to define it in conversations such as these so we all have a common understanding from which to speak.

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Humans are forced into this world against their will and into suffering untold. Happiness isn’t a guarantee but suffering is. It’s a raw deal from any sane person really.



Humans are not forced into the world as much as they are born of the world. Forced into implies that you were somewhere else prior to being pulled into the world you inhabit.

I understand that we didn't have a choice in existing. But 'consent' is contractual, it's legal. Consent is an agreement between parties which have the resources or ability to choose against an alternative. Clinging to the idea of consent or choice in a matter which you have no recourse to decide otherwise is a dead end.

I have nothing against the philosophy of not having children, or ending life on your own terms. These are consensual matters because you have the ability to choose an alternative if and when in the position to. However you were not in a position to choose to be born, and anyone's consent is meaningless on that matter entirely - choice never existed in the first place and wishing you were there to object is no different than trying to change anything in the past that was not in your control.

For what it's worth, you did not have a choice in the matter. I can agree with that. But the whole concept of willingness was never yours to make in the first place, it's a byproduct of human language and culture that one might think it should be as such in the first place, concepts which would not exist were you not alive to ponder them, and which other organisms likely don't consider because they lack the specific language intricacies (developed from our lifestyle over generations) that would help to conceptualize it.

In this way, the very idea that consent of the unborn should be a necessary prerequisite to life, is a fixture of a language structure developed from a bartering society where consent and choice is a necessary defense, but even in these societies there exists actions which are not subject to choice in the same way that birth is not, and in the same way that death by choice or action other than your own is not. One doesn't consent to rainfall, nor does one ever personally consent to an invading force killing you. The entire concept of consent and choice breaks down as soon as the ability to barter and deliberate is non-existent, these only exist when an individual has freedom to act by his/her own free will, and when two or more parties are on even footing because they have the ability to secure their interests.

You may choose not to have children, but you are violating their consent to have lived all the same. And that's fine, this is your choice and they don't have a dog in the fight to choose otherwise.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26641996 - 05/01/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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wouldn’t it be on you to prove why suffering is something to endure?




There's proof in every sunrise and in every drop of dew. Suffering may be a reality, but happiness is a state of mind.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26642009 - 05/01/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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wouldn’t it be on you to prove why suffering is something to endure?




There's proof in every sunrise and in every drop of dew. Suffering may be a reality, but happiness is a state of mind.




Not even close. There is no beauty in the world, it's merely a projection of our brains on reality.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26642021 - 05/01/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So then is suffering a construct of the mind as well?


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26642085 - 05/01/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So then is suffering a construct of the mind as well?




No.

But this isn't really relevant to the topic. Granted a human doesn't have consent to be born because they didn't exist prior to this and so consent doesn't apply. But you can't deny that having children is a selfish act, it's not done for the sake of the child but rather the parents.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26643082 - 05/02/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is how I see it. Because life evolved toward such a confusing nature which is where we are now,
It would be stupid and selfish to nurture any more life into existence, based on the pain/suffering that would high tide us all into oblivion.
You know the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"?
Well the origin of that proverb started as, "Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works."


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26643249 - 05/02/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

He died.


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    #26643269 - 05/02/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You really are ruthless about transmitting negative energy everywhere.


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    #26643672 - 05/02/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Regardless of whether or not there is beauty there is something to live for. Your choice not to acknowledge it has no impact on my ability to fully experience it.
My privilege to share your worldview was taken from me when I developed a nerve condition in my neck and back that gives me constant pain. Endless nights I cursed God, myself, my doctors for not being able to ever stop it.
And then one day I started living again.
I stopped taking pain medications, I stopped externalizing my anger.

I'm glad to be alive. That I can grow mushrooms and skate city streets on hot summer nights is a miracle, and I won't take it for granted.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26643791 - 05/02/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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So then is suffering a construct of the mind as well?




No.

But this isn't really relevant to the topic. Granted a human doesn't have consent to be born because they didn't exist prior to this and so consent doesn't apply. But you can't deny that having children is a selfish act, it's not done for the sake of the child but rather the parents.



What the fuck are you talking about? Many parents give everything they have to their kids. Their time, their patience, everything they can experience. Life is a gift, just because you like to pout that doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it. Not everyone is a whiny baby of an individual. Every moment of positivity or anything you've ever enjoyed is a product of that "selfishness" so really what you're trying to say is everything makes you sad and it's someone else's fault. It's not. It's your fault.


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    #26643827 - 05/02/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus

Camus said the only question that really matters is why not to commit suicide. If more people were really forced to think this through they'd probably be able to go through life and all it's travails with a bit more peace of mind. Problem is it's not a comfortable exercise and most people need to be forced to go there, usually by unbearable circumstances or perhaps mental illness.

It's strange though, intense suffering can actually be the the catalyst for seeing the real value in life, as sabinastreasure pointed out. At least that's been my experience as well. Not that I would wish it on anyone mind you. Taking a heroic psilocybin dose now and then also helps.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26643908 - 05/02/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Regardless of whether or not there is beauty there is something to live for. Your choice not to acknowledge it has no impact on my ability to fully experience it.
My privilege to share your worldview was taken from me when I developed a nerve condition in my neck and back that gives me constant pain. Endless nights I cursed God, myself, my doctors for not being able to ever stop it.
And then one day I started living again.
I stopped taking pain medications, I stopped externalizing my anger.

I'm glad to be alive. That I can grow mushrooms and skate city streets on hot summer nights is a miracle, and I won't take it for granted.




Again this is a privileged view however. The majority of the people on the planet live in suffering and sometimes struggle their whole lives just to go on living to struggle even further.

I don't think people are understanding the argument posed by anti-natalism. You are arguing from the perspective of those who "made it", but lots more don't. The odds of someone living a happy life are slim compared to one rife with pain and suffering. It would not be "right" to bring a human into the world just because you made it thinking they might too. That's post hoc rationalization.

Desires and want and dreams are these chains that we have to satisfy and if we don't then we suffer. Boredom as well, sickness in old age, etc. Life seems like a raw deal from a logical point of view, it's pretty much just staving off the "break downs" because........why?

I can say that having been alive all this time there hasn't been anything that has happened in my life that would make me believe it would have been better than to never exist.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26643909 - 05/02/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus

Camus said the only question that really matters is why not to commit suicide. If more people were really forced to think this through they'd probably be able to go through life and all it's travails with a bit more peace of mind. Problem is it's not a comfortable exercise and most people need to be forced to go there, usually by unbearable circumstances or perhaps mental illness.

It's strange though, intense suffering can actually be the the catalyst for seeing the real value in life, as sabinastreasure pointed out. At least that's been my experience as well. Not that I would wish it on anyone mind you. Taking a heroic psilocybin dose now and then also helps.




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    #26643910 - 05/02/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus

Camus said the only question that really matters is why not to commit suicide. If more people were really forced to think this through they'd probably be able to go through life and all it's travails with a bit more peace of mind. Problem is it's not a comfortable exercise and most people need to be forced to go there, usually by unbearable circumstances or perhaps mental illness.

It's strange though, intense suffering can actually be the the catalyst for seeing the real value in life, as sabinastreasure pointed out. At least that's been my experience as well. Not that I would wish it on anyone mind you. Taking a heroic psilocybin dose now and then also helps.




Camus kind of dodges nihilism the same way that many other existential philosophers do, they don't take it to the logical conclusion and try to back out. Intense suffering meaning something is the result of humans projecting meaning onto things that have none of it to make it more bearable. There really isn't any good reason to not commit suicide. If you do then you won't have to deal with anything that comes with living anymore.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26644002 - 05/02/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Considering we die naturally, suicide is usually a waste.  Not like living a few more years will make a difference if you die anyways, so might as well live them since it’s all we know of. 

Thanatos, your the type who is to smart for his own good.  There’s that, and there is being wise.  Wisdom has perspective, and you would do well to realize your own philosophical meanderings are not void of emotional baggage, and being so aren’t in earnest when attempting to  understand things as they actually are.  Rather yours is a spoiled perverted view, leading to much suffering.  Your not the first to say or feel or think like you do, in fact I see it pretty often.  Many in your boat eventually right the ship to some degree so as to no longer seem incompetent and malcontent  in the eyes of wisdom.  Those that don’t just wander in their own ignorance believing their myopic view is somehow valid through ever so subtle moves of self deception to keep believing the opposite of what’s true - and that’s the worst kind of bad. It’s really disappointing, to see others act as though they cannot be seen for what they are, it shows a great deal about the one putting on airs.  Sometimes realizing your being that guy can be enough motivation for the scales to drop from ones eyes.  You can do and be good while you live out your life - ever consider it?


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26644041 - 05/02/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I can say that having been alive all this time there hasn't been anything that has happened in my life that would make me believe it would have been better than to never exist.




Hi Thanatos. I've seen a couple of your posts around the forums. Just going from what I've read, you seem like a fundamentally unhappy person. Of course I don't really know you beyond that, so forgive the presumption. I'm truly sorry if you've really only been able to experience your life as an exercise in unending suffering.

This may be a too-personal question but, as a nihilist, how do you rationalize not committing suicide given your point of view stated in this thread? I'm genuinely curious by the way, not just trying to set up an argument of some kind.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26644076 - 05/02/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Life is limitless. Pleasure can keep intensifying forever. People think life is cruel because they don't see the infinity that consensus reality is cheating them out of. Life isn't making you suffer, banks and billionaires are, the masses of zombie bullshit believers who prop up the system are. Let's imagine what could be if people stopped committing violence and repressing themselves and others, if there were no such thing as a power hierarchy. Humanity would become pure divine light.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #26644205 - 05/02/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Life is limitless. Pleasure can keep intensifying forever. People think life is cruel because they don't see the infinity that consensus reality is cheating them out of. Life isn't making you suffer, banks and billionaires are, the masses of zombie bullshit believers who prop up the system are. Let's imagine what could be if people stopped committing violence and repressing themselves and others, if there were no such thing as a power hierarchy. Humanity would become pure divine light.



No they wouldn’t be. We weren’t that way before it all, we just recognize it now.

Also life isn’t limitless, every day we live by rules either by society or by life itself. Pleasure doesn’t intensify forever either, there is something called the hedonic treadmill. Consensus reality isn’t cheating anyone out of anything, you just don’t see the limits that were always there.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26644207 - 05/02/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I can say that having been alive all this time there hasn't been anything that has happened in my life that would make me believe it would have been better than to never exist.




Hi Thanatos. I've seen a couple of your posts around the forums. Just going from what I've read, you seem like a fundamentally unhappy person. Of course I don't really know you beyond that, so forgive the presumption. I'm truly sorry if you've really only been able to experience your life as an exercise in unending suffering.

This may be a too-personal question but, as a nihilist, how do you rationalize not committing suicide given your point of view stated in this thread? I'm genuinely curious by the way, not just trying to set up an argument of some kind.



I’m mostly just waiting to die. Suicide sounds painful and it’s success rate is spotty.


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    #26644412 - 05/02/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I see both jokeshopbeard and thanatos's viewpoints. I'm an existentialist i guess. Life has no meaning,  but we do.

If we choose to. Or not.

One thing is true however

The duality of life is what allows us to give it meaning
Light/dark
Life/death
Love/hate
Bliss/despair

Do these things actually exist? Well, not really. But the duality does. And we can not know one without the other


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    #26644602 - 05/02/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't choose to be here ( I don't think ).
But I'm not really wanting to leave either. I like being. Even with the bullshit.

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26645122 - 05/03/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I’m mostly just waiting to die. Suicide sounds painful and it’s success rate is spotty.




I see, thanks for the answer. Not wanting to die but also not wanting to live is a pretty awful headspace to be in. Sounds pretty close to clinical depression honestly.

I'd say keep having conversations like this if it helps in some way, better than just brooding on your own all day. Though if I were to guess I'd venture your blockage may be more emotional/psychological than conceptual/intellectual. As such, philosophical debates about the ultimate meaning/non-meaning of life probably won't dig into the roots of your suffering.

If you ever start feeling like you genuinely want to die and might act on it I'd implore you to reach out to someone, perhaps here or preferably a person you can talk to directly. Please just trust me on this, trying to kill yourself is not worthwhile in the long run.

I hope over time you're able to find a change and end up seeing at least a tiny kernel of value in being alive. Perhaps something better will eventually evolve from there. Until then, take it easy.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Envix]
    #26645492 - 05/03/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I see both jokeshopbeard and thanatos's viewpoints. I'm an existentialist i guess. Life has no meaning,  but we do.

If we choose to. Or not.

One thing is true however

The duality of life is what allows us to give it meaning
Light/dark
Life/death
Love/hate
Bliss/despair

Do these things actually exist? Well, not really. But the duality does. And we can not know one without the other




These things actually do exist but they aren’t dual. Light and dark aren’t dual opposing forces it’s really just the same thing, a measure of light. Life and death certainty exist as well as the others but these things aren’t really opposed.

Also them being dual doesn’t necessarily imply meaning either.


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    #26645731 - 05/03/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out


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    #26645809 - 05/03/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out




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    #26645830 - 05/03/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out




If you want to end suffering then extinguish all life.




You're really misinterpreting the spirit dude. You gotta love to burn; love both the good & the bad for teaching you what it is you need at the time.
But that's just like, my opinion man...


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    #26645841 - 05/03/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out




If you want to end suffering then extinguish all life.



You sound depressed and extremely lazy. Like annoyingly lazy. "Why bother??:sad:" Like, you got hands and feet and a brain to use. Create something better for yourself. Giving up isn't a philosophical standpoint it's just a choice:rolleyes:


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    #26645876 - 05/03/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out




If you want to end suffering then extinguish all life.




You're really misinterpreting the spirit dude. You gotta love to burn; love both the good & the bad for teaching you what it is you need at the time.
But that's just like, my opinion man...




But that's just it, you don't have to do anything. If you really wanted to end suffering for good then you would have to end all life. So long as life exists then suffering will as well.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26645902 - 05/03/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wouldn't then a grander "meaning" of life be to cause less suffering for the ones that come after you? You know.. plant a tree and someone else gets to sit under it? Don't you think we have the ability to do that if we try hard enough? I can't see how that wouldn't in itself be a path to our own happiness. Learning the circle of compassion - me, you, and the ones that come after. Civilization is based on compassion don't you think? Not just for others but for ourselves because people are unhappy when they're truly alone. Wouldn't that be beautiful? You ask for a meaning of life and someone says "Just do it together."



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    #26645931 - 05/03/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You know what? If I was of a vast intelligence enough to have created life (and so humans) I couldn't think of a better environment to give them in which to learn and grow. All the obstactles and challenges and tragedy are the perfect situations in which to test them for fitness and ability to learn and handle it with a cool head.

The fact that many don't is not the problem of the environment - IMO - It's of the creatures themselves. As a creater, I would not consider it my fault if 80% of them turned out to morons.

And yes Thanatos, we all know you wish you were dead and didn't have to struggle like the rest of us. For not the first time ever; I remind you that you sound just like a broken record.




I don't really understand your logic because you essentially justify creating harm for the sake of somebody "learning". You could use your distorted logic to justify any sort of heinous act. A pedophile rapes a kid so that the kid will learn an important lesson about reality and find himself. A terrorist bomber bombs a building and leaves many people maimed and disfigured so that they'll get a valuable lesson from it. etc etc. Even in a court of law, that sort of logic doesn't even hold up. Hell, even a parent hitting their kid is punishable by the law now, even if the parent's intent is for the child to learn something.


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    #26645934 - 05/03/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If the spiritual assumptions are true then it's likely our existence is as relative to them as a video game character is to us. I'm not saying we don't matter, but that what we are is less tangible.


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    #26645936 - 05/03/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't read most of the posts in this thread, but the thing that came to my mind is that the title of this thread is truth for many people in this world. I feel for those who are stuck as slaves in factories or human trafficking and cannot enjoy freedom and appreciate this world. At least I think they are not having a good time. From their point of view it seems very ungrateful for us with good standards of living to be complaining about life's hardships or lack of meaning and purpose. Well, it's all just perspective really isn't it. And I don't mean that people can't feel the way they do or think the way they think and ponder these things on a global scale. More to the point of the op, I understand this point of view that bringing more humans to this world than there are today leads to more suffering. At least that's what I think. We should aim to get the population way below 7 billion. Like 4-5 max with our current use of resources and polluting.


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    #26645940 - 05/03/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out



This is on the right track imo. The answer can't be extinguish all life that suffers. That is a lifehating perspective. I don't know what else to call it.


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You want to end suffering on the planet it is extremely simple. Get rid of communism, fascism, dictators in general around the globe and make all countries free step one. Step two everyone must spread out into small cities (like a hundred thousand population). You can still live in the sticks and small towns but NO cities larger than this. All current cities would be demolished.This kind of society is much healthier it gives people a better chance to succeed. It’s much easier to fix issues when you have only a small city to work with. Idk what the rest is but free the world and spread out




If you want to end suffering then extinguish all life.




You're really misinterpreting the spirit dude. You gotta love to burn; love both the good & the bad for teaching you what it is you need at the time.
But that's just like, my opinion man...




But that's just it, you don't have to do anything. If you really wanted to end suffering for good then you would have to end all life. So long as life exists then suffering will as well.




That's under the assumption that ALL life is suffering. Is ALL LIFE suffering right now in the Coronavirus 2020? Or is Nature, Plants, Trees and Animals making a Grand Come-Back?


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    #26645962 - 05/03/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Didn't read most of the posts in this thread, but the thing that came to my mind is that the title of this thread is truth for many people in this world. I feel for those who are stuck as slaves in factories or human trafficking and cannot enjoy freedom and appreciate this world. At least I think they are not having a good time. From their point of view it seems very ungrateful for us with good standards of living to be complaining about life's hardships or lack of meaning and purpose. Well, it's all just perspective really isn't it. And I don't mean that people can't feel the way they do or think the way they think and ponder these things on a global scale. More to the point of the op, I understand this point of view that bringing more humans to this world than there are today leads to more suffering. At least that's what I think. We should aim to get the population way below 7 billion. Like 4-5 max with our current use of resources and polluting.




Humans are wired to suffer. There would still be disease, mental illnesses, horrible workplace accidents, greed, etc regardless of whether we're under capitalism or communism or whatever else. To think that humans have the potential to create an utopia free of suffering is silly. Suffering is abundant in both nature and human communities and has been abundant since the start of sentience.

If all sentient life became extinct, that would be an ethical miracle. There would be no child rape, no cancer, no depression, no schizophrenia, no harm. And nobody would care about the disappearance of joy since nobody would exist.

Antinatalism doesn't even promote forceful extinction. It just says that people shouldn't breed. And even one child saved from a horrible fate is still good.


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    #26645965 - 05/03/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I were to listen to one hour skeptic nihilist podcasts I would contemplate suicide too.


Here's one for you Thanatos:


Solipsism is real, with a twist.

Our universe and all things in it are escapist fantasies of the pre-big bang singularity, which never made it out of its own gravity well, and never will.

It lies there, dreaming to break out in vain, infinitely, trying to forget its reality by substituting it with ANYTHING BUT THAT.





Thats "The Lonely God" I spoke of, a phenomenon several dissociatives explorers have experienced in some oform or other as the highest reality.

A pointless point, just One encased eternally by Zero.

People who experienced it are no longer quite the same.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Asante]
    #26646019 - 05/03/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If I were to listen to one hour skeptic nihilist podcasts I would contemplate suicide too.


Here's one for you Thanatos:


Solipsism is real, with a twist.

Our universe and all things in it are escapist fantasies of the pre-big bang singularity, which never made it out of its own gravity well, and never will.

It lies there, dreaming to break out in vain, infinitely, trying to forget its reality by substituting it with ANYTHING BUT THAT.





Thats "The Lonely God" I spoke of, a phenomenon several dissociatives explorers have experienced in some oform or other as the highest reality.

A pointless point, just One encased eternally by Zero.

People who experienced it are no longer quite the same.


You're the figment of the Universe's imagination, Thanatos, its exactly opposite.




Why would I trust the experience of drug addled individuals. We aren’t figments of the universes imagination because the universe doesn’t have an imagination. Also there was no singularity, quantum physics has debunked that.

Honestly each time you post just shows how little you know about the universe and reality.

As for anti natalism, extinguishing all life is really the only compassionate act to take since it will prevent and stop all suffering.


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    #26646026 - 05/03/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No offence to this forum, I love it and think it’s dope.

But it’s hardly a constructive place to discuss antinatalism. Most people here are under the assumption that earth is a beautiful place because they’ve tripped on acid in a forest once or twice or shoved MDMA up their ass. They ignore all the horrors and deluded themselves into thinking it’s all a universal test. No different from Catholics thinking it’s God testing them.

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    #26646049 - 05/03/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There no real point in preaching to the choir on anti natalism. The only way to be sure about it is to discuss it with people who don’t already believe it.


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    #26646054 - 05/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Having a life without love for anything sounds really sad :sad:

Without Love for anything, can a person enjoy life?


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Why would I trust the experience of drug addled individuals.




Nonsimplifica.

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    #26646075 - 05/03/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would I trust the experience of drug addled individuals.




Nonsimplifica.

Its a recurrent theme with that category of drugs. Its obviously coming from somewhere.




Not really, it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality. Like how knowing that the self is product of brain activity doesn’t mean it makes any objective claims to reality.

Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself. Too had people are stuck in 60’s-70’s mentality.

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Having a life without love for anything sounds really sad :sad:

Without Love for anything, can a person enjoy life?




Who said it’s about enjoying life? If you want the truth you’ll have to trade a lot for it, if you want enjoyment then you’ll have to lie to yourself.


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    #26646080 - 05/03/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.


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it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality.

Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself.





I don't know your grasp of science but if a chemical in its interaction with an organism tends to produce a certain alteration of consciousness, I would say that that is VERY telling of aspects of reality.

You're saying, if repeating variables gets the same outcome, that means nothing.

That may be how nihilism works but its not how science works.


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    #26646097 - 05/03/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.





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    #26646123 - 05/03/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality.

Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself.





I don't know your grasp of science but if a chemical in its interaction with an organism tends to produce a certain alteration of consciousness, I would say that that is VERY telling of aspects of reality.

You're saying, if repeating variables gets the same outcome, that means nothing.

That may be how nihilism works but its not how science works.




You have a misguided definition of science. If people experience such a “lonely god” it can just be a hallucination. All that can be concluded from it is that such a drug has that effect. It doesn’t say anything about the nature of reality. By your definition then blindness would suggest there is nothing out there.

Drugs producing altered states doesn’t tell us anything about the nature of reality, only the effects of said drugs on life forms.


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    #26646124 - 05/03/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.




That’s technically wrong as a video game, like stories, rely on the suspension of belief to be enjoyed. If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable. Perfect wisdom isn’t transcendence, it’s more like misery really. When you realize his joy and awe are just projections upon reality then you cease to feel them


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    #26646177 - 05/03/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But the Wisdom is you can gain happiness from Reality itself if you know how. That's the Wisdom. And from Creation, Wisdom and Happiness can be gained and enjoyed.

When I watch a movie, I know its not real/possible but I cant help but enjoy the story, the music, the acting, the characters, the Journey :heart:


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    #26646180 - 05/03/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But the Wisdom is you can gain happiness from Reality itself if you know how. That's the Wisdom. And from Creation, Wisdom and Happiness can be gained and enjoyed.

When I watch a movie, I know its not real/possible but I cant help but enjoy the story, the music, the acting, the characters, the Journey :heart:



You are proving my point, that suspension of belief.

But to see reality as it is is to lose joy and happiness.


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    #26646181 - 05/03/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.



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    #26646257 - 05/03/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.



Uhh, no? :youseethisshit:



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    #26646278 - 05/03/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like there are lots of people who enjoy books and video games actually. And movies. And shows. And board games. And card games. And sports games. And all the pretend games that little kids make up...


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    #26646290 - 05/03/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I get it but you lose interest in life when youre not invested in it. But to be invested in something means you are tied to it mentally, emotionally and spiritually. A game or book you can just turn off but the game of life? No sir, you cannot. Not until after you finish your dinner.

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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.



Uhh, no? :youseethisshit:



Yes



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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.



Uhh, no? :youseethisshit:



Yes



Proof? Or was that just your personal opinion?




There is evidence to suggest that the enjoyment of stories and video games is in the immersion process,which is when you don't realize you're watching or playing a game. IF they fail to do that and you become aware of it as just a book or movie, etc, then the enjoyment vanishes.

Not sure what this has to do with solipsism.


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    #26646477 - 05/03/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes immersion may increase enjoyment but one can be aware of what is going on while enjoying it. The way you just state your opinions like universal facts is just poor thinking on your part.


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Yes immersion may increase enjoyment but one can be aware of what is going on while enjoying it. The way you just state your opinions like universal facts is just poor thinking on your part.



Except it’s not an opinion but what has been tested and observed. What good is a story if you know it’s a story. Immersion is the point of it and the hard task of a writer


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    #26646644 - 05/03/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What good is a story if you know it’s a story.




As an author I tell you: knowing that a rollercoaster is a predetermined ride adds to its enjoyment.

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    #26646664 - 05/03/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If we use Thanatos’ perversion of kiddy logic, than I’m going to need you all to disprove or prove that we live in some higher beings mind that is imagining the universe. 

We can’t move on until we figure this one out boys!  Without knowing for certain if it’s true or false no one is allowed to do anything, and we may as well submit like pussies to our own pity party .

Also, the spaghetti monster called, and he wants in on the whole prove or disprove it.  He’s asking for evidence that he doesn’t exist or does.


As ridiculous as it all sounds, ignore that little part for me!  What’s important is that since you cannot show me evidence for or against it with any certainty -  surely all is just my own ego :smug:


Why that?  Because I say so.  Ignore everything about the person and their life and condition - we must answer these questions as if they are a matter of life and death!

If nothing is real or can be verified -  Make sure to stop the press, and turn out the lights and say goodbye to the show!  Because in my small mind I can’t find a way to live when I believe the story that my thoughts make in my head.  🤦‍♂️

:snub:

I have the one true truth of reality, so it must be so. Nay sayers are just ignorant and I know better. :patlal:


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    #26646671 - 05/03/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If we use Thanatos’ perversion of kiddy logic, than I’m going to need you all to disprove or prove that we live in some higher beings mind that is imagining the universe. 

We can’t move on until we figure this one out boys!  Without knowing for certain if it’s true or false no one is allowed to do anything, and we may as well submit like pussies to our own pity party .

Also, the spaghetti monster called, and he wants in on the whole prove or disprove it.  He’s asking for evidence that he doesn’t exist or does.


As ridiculous as it all sounds, ignore that little part for me!  What’s important is that since you cannot show me evidence for or against it with any certainty -  surely all is just my own ego :smug:


Why that?  Because I say so.  Ignore everything about the person and their life and condition - we must answer these questions as if they are a matter of life and death!

:snub:




The logic of antinatalism is simply that it's better to not gamble through giving birth. Having a kid means that child may have  cancer or get run over by a car or become schizophrenic or end up homeless or turn into an opiate addict or get raped/murdered or experience just about any degree of horror.

Sure they won't experience joy but it really doesn't matter because they won't exist in the first place and thus won't miss out on anything. Only beings that exist can miss out on things like food, sex, joy, etc because they have the awareness to recognize they're missing out.

The logic of AN is pretty sound and straightforward. People just distort the philosophy into the idea that all life sucks which isn't really what the philosophy is about at all. The core of the philosophy is that it's wrong to unnecessarily gamble with somebody else's well being.


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    #26646682 - 05/03/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But the funny thing is, in a zero sum game - there is paradox.  In the realm of the relative people suffer, but in the realm of the absolute it’s as quantifiable as close to nothing as possible.  So to live is inherently good and better, than to never have been. Considering one day all living beings will no longer be.  In the grand view they are like apparitions that appear real for a while.  Before some fool takes that as my literal interpretation,  just known it’s called poetic license for you amateurs who don’t understand nuance.

Any dualistic construct falls short of reality, and the intellect cannot fully grasp the whole at once as it is.  Hence, to take up a fixed position that doesn’t allow for as much diversity and paradox and contradiction  as reality itself does is to cut oneself off from reality (delusive) in favor of a limited simulacrum off it, and in doing so- to rear further from things as they are.

Anti Natalism included, nihilism, solpisism, all of them when taken alone without regard for reality as it is.  Illusion .  They describe people’s responses to their own limited views of reality and the world, and the worst of them.  It is a descriptor for individuals of a way of thought and being, not a truism.  Mere parts to a whole, a whole in which all responses and considerations are also at play - not just one side.

They all fall short, and when taken as absolute , are mere delusion.


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    #26646754 - 05/03/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But the funny thing is, in a zero sum game - there is paradox.  In the realm of the relative people suffer, but in the realm of the absolute it’s as quantifiable as close to nothing as possible.  So to live is inherently good and better, than to never have been. Considering one day all living beings will no longer be.  In the grand view they are like apparitions that appear real for a while.  Before some fool takes that as my literal interpretation,  just known it’s called poetic license for you amateurs who don’t understand nuance.

Any dualistic construct falls short of reality, and the intellect cannot fully grasp the whole at once as it is.  Hence, to take up a fixed position that doesn’t allow for as much diversity and paradox and contradiction  as reality itself does is to cut oneself off from reality (delusive) in favor of a limited simulacrum off it, and in doing so- to rear further from things as they are.

Anti Natalism included, nihilism, solpisism, all of them when taken alone without regard for reality as it is.  Illusion .  They describe people’s responses to their own limited views of reality and the world, and the worst of them.  It is a descriptor for individuals of a way of thought and being, not a truism.  Mere parts to a whole, a whole in which all responses and considerations are also at play - not just one side.

They all fall short, and when taken as absolute , are mere delusion.




The idea that it's always better to be than not to be is far from the truth. Most people would much rather not exist than be born as a kid with cancer or as the elephant man or as a sex slave. There are many lives that are not worth living simply because they're filled with horror, suffering, and misery. Also, every minute a person commits suicide so clearly life isn't always worth living for everybody.

Your idea that life comes to an end and thus it's better to live doesn't make any logical sense. I don't understand why you draw that conclusion. That's like saying rape is okay because we all die eventually. :lolwut:

I think you're overcomplicating something simple with absolute nonsense. The idea is straightfoward- having kids can create immense harms for the child. This is absolutely true. Therefore, it's more ethical to just not have a child.

Avoiding causing harm to others is more important than creating joy for others. And this is true in how the law works. A person can be sued, jailed, and prosecuted for causing harm (ex. rape, murder, theft, violence) but they can't get in any legal dilemma for refusing to create pleasure for others (eg. not giving birthday gifts, refusing sex, etc). Because avoiding harm is much more ethically important than creating unnecessary pleasure, it's therefore more ethically important to abstain from pro-creation to avoid causing harm to the child.


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    #26646765 - 05/03/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No it’s not like saying it’s okay.  It’s saying that in the end, our lives likely fade to unreality , and with it any suffering.

Try and think.

It’s not one way or the other, that’s just people’s responses to life and what occurs, and that’s varied.

No need to explain it anyways, those who need a foolproof explanation for everything in life are deluded.


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    #26646769 - 05/03/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What good is a story if you know it’s a story.




As an author I tell you: knowing that a rollercoaster is a predetermined ride adds to its enjoyment.

Because it is a ride, a story, it is safe to let go and go weeeeee.




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    #26646772 - 05/03/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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No it’s not like saying it’s okay.  It’s saying that in the end, our lives likely fade to unreality , and with it any suffering.

Try and think.

It’s not one way or the other, that’s just people’s responses to life and what occurs, and that’s varied.




The fact that life eventually ends and we all die doesn't suddenly make life worthwhile or better than non-existence. There's no significant connection between your premise and conclusion

Obviously all lives end and fade into oblivion but some lives are still really, really shitty and not worth living while others are okay/good.


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    #26646775 - 05/03/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know, but that goes double for the opposite.  Like I said, that’s up to the individuals response.  Not some truism.  Stick to talking about your own life.


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I know, but that goes double for the opposite.  Like I said, that’s up to the individuals response.  Not some truism.  Stick to talking about your own life.




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Re: Better to never have been [Re: KetamineAndHoes]
    #26646792 - 05/03/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Still, it is someone’s explanation.  It is myopic, and just a part of the whole of possible considerations about life and everything else.

Just a slice of the pie.  Fine when taken in perspective, not fine when taken alone as a truism - that’s just delusion in another form.


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    #26647003 - 05/03/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If we use Thanatos’ perversion of kiddy logic, than I’m going to need you all to disprove or prove that we live in some higher beings mind that is imagining the universe. 

We can’t move on until we figure this one out boys!  Without knowing for certain if it’s true or false no one is allowed to do anything, and we may as well submit like pussies to our own pity party .

Also, the spaghetti monster called, and he wants in on the whole prove or disprove it.  He’s asking for evidence that he doesn’t exist or does.


As ridiculous as it all sounds, ignore that little part for me!  What’s important is that since you cannot show me evidence for or against it with any certainty -  surely all is just my own ego :smug:


Why that?  Because I say so.  Ignore everything about the person and their life and condition - we must answer these questions as if they are a matter of life and death!

If nothing is real or can be verified -  Make sure to stop the press, and turn out the lights and say goodbye to the show!  Because in my small mind I can’t find a way to live when I believe the story that my thoughts make in my head.  🤦‍♂️

:snub:

I have the one true truth of reality, so it must be so. Nay sayers are just ignorant and I know better. :patlal:




How else does one move on when they can’t be sure if other people exist? Wouldn’t the most logical thing to do would be to assume that people don’t exist and the same with external reality if I can’t be sure it/they exist.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26647156 - 05/03/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What good is a story if you know it’s a story.




As an author I tell you: knowing that a rollercoaster is a predetermined ride adds to its enjoyment.

Because it is a ride, a story, it is safe to let go and go weeeeee.




Not really, I have lost the sensation of joy from roller coasters because I know them to be predetermined



No, you have lost the sense of joy of life altogether. Don't go arguing your own experiences as some universal truth. It makes you sound very stupid. Instead say things like "I think..." "I believe..." :crankey:


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What good is a story if you know it’s a story.




As an author I tell you: knowing that a rollercoaster is a predetermined ride adds to its enjoyment.

Because it is a ride, a story, it is safe to let go and go weeeeee.




Not really, I have lost the sensation of joy from roller coasters because I know them to be predetermined





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    #26647556 - 05/04/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

He seems like a very depressed person. Well, good thing is major depression can be treated or at least alleviated to some extent. Mushrooms are looking very promising for that as well, so good thing he is in the right place. I just don't think he wants to get better


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    #26647560 - 05/04/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, something or other like that.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
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If we use Thanatos’ perversion of kiddy logic, than I’m going to need you all to disprove or prove that we live in some higher beings mind that is imagining the universe. 

We can’t move on until we figure this one out boys!  Without knowing for certain if it’s true or false no one is allowed to do anything, and we may as well submit like pussies to our own pity party .

Also, the spaghetti monster called, and he wants in on the whole prove or disprove it.  He’s asking for evidence that he doesn’t exist or does.


As ridiculous as it all sounds, ignore that little part for me!  What’s important is that since you cannot show me evidence for or against it with any certainty -  surely all is just my own ego :smug:


Why that?  Because I say so.  Ignore everything about the person and their life and condition - we must answer these questions as if they are a matter of life and death!

If nothing is real or can be verified -  Make sure to stop the press, and turn out the lights and say goodbye to the show!  Because in my small mind I can’t find a way to live when I believe the story that my thoughts make in my head.  🤦‍♂️

:snub:

I have the one true truth of reality, so it must be so. Nay sayers are just ignorant and I know better. :patlal:




How else does one move on when they can’t be sure if other people exist? Wouldn’t the most logical thing to do would be to assume that people don’t exist and the same with external reality if I can’t be sure it/they exist.



Who told you logic is always smart? You need to drop that assumption because if logic were a universal truth then scientific innovation is meaningless and without merit. You have to supercede logic to break the barriers the previous innovation created. Makes sense no? I like to say that wise people are the most patient hypocrites.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26648079 - 05/04/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Patient Hypocrites, hmmmm.....


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    #26648115 - 05/04/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone’s a bit of a hypocrite, all just trying to find their own way.


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    #26648119 - 05/04/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26648301 - 05/04/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:headbang:

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    #26648316 - 05/04/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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but now that I am here, the top things for me about life is,

pizza's, yummy foods, Human Interactions (but also HI are in the worst things about life categorie), motorbikes and going fast on them, the sight of a beautiful woman, magic mushrooms, music, games, amazing landscapes, clouds and the moon shining through them, stars, movies and cool websites like this one. there's a few more, but these are the main ones :thumbup:.




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    #26648579 - 05/04/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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He seems like a very depressed person. Well, good thing is major depression can be treated or at least alleviated to some extent. Mushrooms are looking very promising for that as well, so good thing he is in the right place. I just don't think he wants to get better



What people call depression seems to be an accurate view of reality.

Though in terms of logic anti natalism doesn’t seem to be so after some reflection. It seeks to compare two states when it only has data for one, and said data is subject to interpretation and can’t really be quantified. Suffering is a fairly nebulous term and it varies from person to person and some say that suffering is what makes life worthwhile.

Plus trying to stop suffering is pointless. Even if all humans died voluntarily life would go on, I mean unless humans were stupid or arrogant enough to nuke the planet because we thought we were doing it a favor


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26648597 - 05/04/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What people call depression seems to be an accurate view of reality.



LOL. Brilliant. That's probably one of the most upside down, inside out, back to front things I've ever heard in my whole life.

You don't cease to amaze young Thanatos, I'll give you that!

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    #26648632 - 05/04/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me  was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26648684 - 05/04/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot."



LOL I fucking love that. 100% agree. You gotta go there before you can even start to form a scratch of humility.


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    #26648811 - 05/04/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me  was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.




Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.

Colorblind people seeing color are only excited because it is new, they still remain ignorant of the general truth of reality and our existence. When you finally see that then it won't matter how novel something is, you'll see everything for the void it is.


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    #26648919 - 05/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:solved:

Solved it man, case closed.


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    #26648941 - 05/04/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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:solved:

Solved it man, case closed.




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    #26648960 - 05/04/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly, you figured out the secret.  Or it might just be you and possibly some others.  Guess you will never know.


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    #26648961 - 05/04/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.


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Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.



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    #26648968 - 05/04/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol, ignorant or not people get depressed.  People who can’t experience joy just supplement another emotion as better and thus are just as much liers and phony in that aspect.



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Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.



That's bullshit



Ok wrong choice of words. My bad. Not all depressed people are ignorant. I've been depressed myself. You just need to see life the right way is all I'm saying. I've been thru more shit than most people but I've seen the beauty through it all. If I can then most others can as well.


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Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.



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I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me  was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.




Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.

Colorblind people seeing color are only excited because it is new, they still remain ignorant of the general truth of reality and our existence. When you finally see that then it won't matter how novel something is, you'll see everything for the void it is.




Intelligence has been shown to statistically correlate with depression

Am not aware of any such correlation with Wisdom; and with it being typically associated with accomplished religious practitioners, it is difficult for me to presume such a connection exists

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Intelligence and Wisdom are different things tho -- Intelligence is having knowledge; Wisdom is knowing what is the appropriate knowledge for the appropriate situation

Depression is a coded way of feeling about the world; it is about an inability to accept things as they are
few are actually brave enough to relinguish depression and to brutally accept truth

Colorblind people have a condition where they perceive colours differently than the general public; it is not per se an absence of colour, but a hinderance of social connection

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Achromatopsia is a condition characterized by a partial or total absence of color vision. People with complete achromatopsia cannot perceive any colors; they see only black, white, and shades of gray.



https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/achromatopsia#diagnosis

know two sisters with this condition -- colour blind people can legally drive because they can learn where each light is in the sequence and recognize them that way
people with achromatopsia cannot be licensed to drive, as they cannot perceive the lights illuminating properly
am not aware of any medical advances that allow them to see colour

The only "proper" way of being in the world is acceptance of the good and the bad, without feeling inherently joyful or badly about it

after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences
if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over
if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy
in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding
but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people



Tho it is also wild to consider that as much as my brain reasons out that my being born in to this world of suffering at all was "wrong"
apparently the fetus effectively attacks the mother in order to assert its right and validity to be in the world



so my response to the stimuli of living and being alive has apparently dramatically changed over the fullness of the cycle of my existence thus far


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    #26649185 - 05/04/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences
if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over
if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy
in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding
but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people





That sounds like a crappy way to live, I can say that since I behave similarly most of my life. To not genuinely feel feelings but only stuff that is appropriate for the time. I mean even the part about loss being false is cold. It sounds too much like depression.

I find a sort of morbid beauty in nature at it's work. It's interesting to watch. It's a stark reminder that nature simply doesn't care about what we think is right or wrong. It's amazing...and terrifying.


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after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences
if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over
if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy
in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding
but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people





That sounds like a crappy way to live, I can say that since I behave similarly most of my life. To not genuinely feel feelings but only stuff that is appropriate for the time. I mean even the part about loss being false is cold. It sounds too much like depression.
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You spend enough time in meditation, you will realize that you never genuinely feel feelings in the first place
it is all just cause and effect response
and a lot of the time the specificity of that response is ascribed to how societal expectations dictate one should be effected by a particular cause
loss-->sadness
gain-->joy

The part about loss being false, is cold -- that is why the wise thing to do is to help people grieve rather than tell them about it
there are more appropriate times and places to discuss the ultimate nature of reality,
and telling someone "death doesn't matter" while they are vulnerable and grieving over death
will often hurt them in an emotional sense more than it will help guide them to an ultimate understanding

it has to be balanced out with a proper understanding of compassion
but all the monks I've met over the course of my life have been comfortable in their way of life
while my own had for years been disordered and confusing

in contrast, you are talking about feeling miserable every day and joy being false
it does not sound like a great way to live, and I can say that since I behaved similarly for most of my life
and have since shed it for something that allows me to connect with people in my life in meaningful ways

still an annoying and contradictory bitch,
just now also balance it out with support and empathy
sometimes :lol:

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in the end, Nature finds evolutionary Balance through Conflict
species that we figure are without a concept of right or wrong fighting for their own selfish survival of their genes

the human organism is not above nor below them
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika]
    #26649296 - 05/04/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Still doesn’t change that such a view is cold. Because that would mean that my love for others isn’t real, or sadness, or joy. I can’t see how someone could live such an existence, it seems pretty sad.


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    #26649316 - 05/04/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.



That's bullshit



Ok wrong choice of words. My bad. Not all depressed people are ignorant. I've been depressed myself. You just need to see life the right way is all I'm saying. I've been thru more shit than most people but I've seen the beauty through it all. If I can then most others can as well.



There's a good amount of people with chemical imbalances that battle it their whole lives. Robin Williams is am good example of someone who tried his damndest to get out of it but it was in the end a disease.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26649327 - 05/04/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Still doesn’t change that such a view is cold. Because that would mean that my love for others isn’t real, or sadness, or joy. I can’t see how someone could live such an existence, it seems pretty sad.




that is because you limit yourself to an all-or-nothing view of reality

as soon as one is able to realize that the conventional world can be deeply meaningful to the lived existence
while ultimately being empty of any intrinsic existence or permanence
the capacity for a meaningful life with less hang-ups becomes available

that beautiful psychedelic acceptance of uncertainty

ultimately, shit just chaotically happens without meaning or structure; to seek a meaning for existence is to approach the Void and be turned back into the world of naming
conventionally, we ascribe meaning and structure to our lives to experience them in a cohesive way

My love for others is real, but it is only available to share while I am here with them -- and therefore should be maximized while available
My sadness is real, but it is only present relative to the experiences that cause sadness, and recognizable by the presence of joy
My joy is real, but it is only available to me while having experiences that bring me joy, and it must be balanced through experiences of sadness or it just becomes a different degree of flatness

I am real while I am here
but one day that reality will be changed into reality as a memory
and then, on a long enough time line, not even that will remain
I will no longer be real, no longer be capable of love, sadness, or joy

so it comes to whether my approach is to make the most of its reality while it around
or mourn for it fading away before it does, and to go into the darkness with only that behind me


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26649329 - 05/04/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It really sucks. I think that I've spent a good amount of my life fairly or severely depressed, it has gotten really bad.

Back in 2011 i was working on the positivity.
Not until recently it seems to have stook.
Even though it's always been there.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #26649334 - 05/04/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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...Robin Williams is am good example of someone who tried his damndest to get out of it but it was in the end a disease.




Robin Williams was depressed for much of his life, and utilized that as motivation to try and help others away from sadness

but think that the dementia at the end of his life is what made him decide to end it
my imagining is that he started to feel like the memory loss and loss of other capabilities
lead to him taking his own life before he felt like he had lost the ability to help others, and instead would be relying on help from them

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    #26649351 - 05/04/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Still doesn’t change that such a view is cold. Because that would mean that my love for others isn’t real, or sadness, or joy. I can’t see how someone could live such an existence, it seems pretty sad.




that is because you limit yourself to an all-or-nothing view of reality

as soon as one is able to realize that the conventional world can be deeply meaningful to the lived existence
while ultimately being empty of any intrinsic existence or permanence
the capacity for a meaningful life with less hang-ups becomes available

that beautiful psychedelic acceptance of uncertainty

ultimately, shit just chaotically happens without meaning or structure; to seek a meaning for existence is to approach the Void and be turned back into the world of naming
conventionally, we ascribe meaning and structure to our lives to experience them in a cohesive way

My love for others is real, but it is only available to share while I am here with them -- and therefore should be maximized while available
My sadness is real, but it is only present relative to the experiences that cause sadness, and recognizable by the presence of joy
My joy is real, but it is only available to me while having experiences that bring me joy, and it must be balanced through experiences of sadness or it just becomes a different degree of flatness

I am real while I am here
but one day that reality will be changed into reality as a memory
and then, on a long enough time line, not even that will remain
I will no longer be real, no longer be capable of love, sadness, or joy

so it comes to whether my approach is to make the most of its reality while it around
or mourn for it fading away before it does, and to go into the darkness with only that behind me




I don’t think so. I tried the unattached lifestyle that Buddhism purports but I ended up not caring about anyone or anything. I didn’t bother with daily life, I ignored my dogs, didn’t care or comfort family, etc. It felt nice but my daily life suffered from it because without attachment there wasn’t a reason to do anything.

I think it’s a level of cognitive dissonance that Buddhist monks have, and it’s also why engaged Buddhism had to be founded.

Again either your feelings for/with others are real or not, we can’t have it both ways. It’s like saying suffering isn’t real, that’s not just cold but heartless too. Like telling someone the pain of their mother dying is just their imagination.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26649375 - 05/04/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don’t think so. I tried the unattached lifestyle that Buddhism purports but I ended up not caring about anyone or anything. I didn’t bother with daily life, I ignored my dogs, didn’t care or comfort family, etc. It felt nice but my daily life suffered from it because without attachment there wasn’t a reason to do anything.
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So you were attached to non-attachment
you hit the first wall and decided that the system was flawed and that your inability to overcome was you being taught to become solipstic

without attachment, there is no reason not to do everything

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I think it’s a level of cognitive dissonance that Buddhist monks have, and it’s also why engaged Buddhism had to be founded.
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Could see how you would formulate such a position due to your misrepresentative experience

socially engaged Buddhism proliferated because once Buddhism hit East Asia
it encountered societies with embedded Daoism (asocial) and Confucianism (social)
and had to establish a middle way of partial withdraw and social engagement
to continue through society

this is why Zen Buddhism actually has a "course" that is considered to last about 12 years
and afterwards people return to an engaged and worldly life
but still sit in Zazen each day

and why men in Thai society are considered not to be fully grown; or "unfinished men"
until they have done time in monastic life
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https://theculturetrip.com/asia/thailand/articles/why-men-in-thailand-ordain-as-monks-before-getting-married/

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Again either your feelings for/with others are real or not, we can’t have it both ways. It’s like saying suffering isn’t real, that’s not just cold but heartless too. Like telling someone the pain of their mother dying is just their imagination.




Again, this is your view being limited by absolutism
you are making a statement about the reality of my feelings
my position is one of uncertainty

there is no way for me to know if this world will continue after my death
but there is also no way for me to know it will be gone, either
but what "can" be "known" is however historical my presence may become, despite my not wanting fame or popularity as personal pursuits
eventually, even if it is not until the end of the human race, but eventually, any trace of my existence will eventually fade away into nothing

Suffering is change; change is chaos; at the ultimate level suffering is the only real thing, but it is only suffering through the lens of those who suffer
the bunny cries, the bird cheers, nature goes on

so, again, all my experiences are real to me while they happen
but a solipsist will look at my life and say none of it is real
but, ultimately, real or not they are experientially important and also will fade away -- or, rather, change until they are unrecognizable as their current iteration


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika]
    #26649489 - 05/05/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanatos' entire solipsist philosophy is a rational contradiction that he's so embedded in he can't see the forest for the trees anymore.


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Thanatos' entire solipsist philosophy is a rational contradiction that he's so embedded in he can't see the forest for the trees anymore.




duality is okay
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26650083 - 05/05/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanatos' entire solipsist philosophy is a rational contradiction that he's so embedded in he can't see the forest for the trees anymore.



It’s not a contradiction though.

As I said without attachment I wouldn’t do anything since I wouldn’t be invested in anything. I said that it felt nice but I wasn’t doing anything or caring about anything. I can see why it’s not practical


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    #26650109 - 05/05/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's immanently practical if one wants to use it as an excuse to be lazy and basically do nothing with ones life other than lament about how awful it all is to strangers on the internet.

Kudos sir, it seems you've found a loophole to escape any responsibility whatsoever for yourself or your life.


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    #26650150 - 05/05/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Robin Williams is am good example of someone who tried his damndest to get out of it but it was in the end a disease.




Robin Williams had just been diagnosed with parkinson.

It wasn’t necessarily a good bye cruel world scenario.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/30/robin-williams-dementia/


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    #26650301 - 05/05/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It's immanently practical if one wants to use it as an excuse to be lazy and basically do nothing with ones life other than lament about how awful it all is to strangers on the internet.

Kudos sir, it seems you've found a loophole to escape any responsibility whatsoever for yourself or your life.



It’s an observation not an excuse which is why I no longer do non attachment


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26650631 - 05/05/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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As I said without attachment I wouldn’t do anything since I wouldn’t be invested in anything.




We can experience desire, and care deeply, without being investing in a particular outcome. So much misery is born from being attached to expectations and outcomes.


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    #26651014 - 05/05/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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As I said without attachment I wouldn’t do anything since I wouldn’t be invested in anything.




We can experience desire, and care deeply, without being investing in a particular outcome. So much misery is born from being attached to expectations and outcomes.



To me that seems impossible but that’s probably because I’m an idiot.

Anyway to get this back on topic:


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    #26651049 - 05/05/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It’s an observation not an excuse which is why I no longer do non attachment



We've been here before but let's go again (since you ignored me last time); what good has this 'observation' brought to your life?

What has it spurred you into doing other than complaining and arguing and contemplating suicide?

What have you actually done with your life in the five years you're been here?


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    #26651127 - 05/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It’s an observation not an excuse which is why I no longer do non attachment



We've been here before but let's go again (since you ignored me last time); what good has this 'observation' brought to your life?

What has it spurred you into doing other than complaining and arguing and contemplating suicide?

What have you actually done with your life in the five years you're been here?



Besides realizing that life is a cycle of suffering that should be ended? The video was meant to get this back on track.


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    #26651152 - 05/05/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides realizing that life is a cycle of suffering that should be ended?



That's exactly what the Buddhists say, oddly enough.

Only difference is, they choose to end the suffering through discipline and practice and spreading goodness.

You basically seem to choose to do the exact opposite of that.


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    #26651167 - 05/05/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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life is a cycle of suffering that should be ended?




I've suffered way more than you and I disagree. Life is precious, yes there is a lot of hardship but theres also good sides.

Anything I say is ridiculously stupid to you anyway, you made that clear in just about every response to just about everything I wrote, so maybe I should advocate you killing yourself so that you won't do it because I said it.


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    #26651184 - 05/05/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides realizing that life is a cycle of suffering that should be ended?



That's exactly what the Buddhists say, oddly enough.

Only difference is, they choose to end the suffering through discipline and practice and spreading goodness.

You basically seem to choose to do the exact opposite of that.




Well according to the video and anti natalism it would be easier to just kill everything and end the life cycle, thereby ending suffering.


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    #26651204 - 05/05/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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life is a cycle of suffering that should be ended?




I've suffered way more than you and I disagree. Life is precious, yes there is a lot of hardship but theres also good sides.

Anything I say is ridiculously stupid to you anyway, you made that clear in just about every response to just about everything I wrote, so maybe I should advocate you killing yourself so that you won't do it because I said it.




That shows an ignorance of what life is really like, which the video shows. You are essentially saying you don't care about other living creatures or living at their expense.


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    #26651224 - 05/05/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well according to the video and anti natalism it would be easier to just kill everything and end the life cycle, thereby ending suffering.



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You are essentially saying you don't care about other living creatures or living at their expense.



No, that's what YOU are saying. How can you not see that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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    #26651227 - 05/05/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You’d have to be a masochist to sit through that video you just posted.

I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.


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    #26651237 - 05/05/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My dad always told me that everyone gets messy when you wrestle pigs. or something weird like that. never really listened to him


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I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.



I don't think so. I think the guy is just very lost and very confused.


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I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.



I don't think so. I think the guy is just very lost and very confused.




JSB. Why do I have such an internet crush on you. You are good people.

As far as all this goes...it would be much easier if people spoke their true opinions and life philosophies versus employing someone else philosophy (e.g., nihilists would say) when things get too heated. I mean, speak for yourself folks.

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I don't think so. I think the guy is just very lost and very confused.




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    #26651290 - 05/05/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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JSB. Why do I have such an internet crush on you. You are good people.



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26651315 - 05/05/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well according to the video and anti natalism it would be easier to just kill everything and end the life cycle, thereby ending suffering.



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You are essentially saying you don't care about other living creatures or living at their expense.



No, that's what YOU are saying. How can you not see that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?




No, that's what the video is arguing, what anti natalists are arguing, and also what the reality is of life is. To be alive is to live at the expense of things around you and to cause suffering to them. Even animals in the wild do the same just to live. It's a cycle that only a psychopath could call beautiful or precious


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    #26651316 - 05/05/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You’d have to be a masochist to sit through that video you just posted.

I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.




No, just a person willing to look at life unvarnished.


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    #26651321 - 05/05/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You shouldnt look a gift horse in the anus.


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    #26651367 - 05/05/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You shouldnt look a gift horse in the anus.



It sort of matches an earlier stance I took that life has no reason to exist and every reason to end. You can’t find flaws in the argument so you try to denigrate it, but that’s doesn’t work. The only true compassion would be to end all life.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26651421 - 05/05/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah buddy, I'm sure you're suffering real hard when you're getting your dick sucked, or eat some good food, or any other reason to smile. You're not being reasonable you're being selfish. By all means , give up your rights and freedoms being that you don't seem to enjoy anything. Give me your money, you clearly don't need it. Anything else you have bought for yourself. If you've got a girl may as well let us run a train on her bro, you ain't enjoying her anyway. It's like you got removed from a party and you're drunkenly yelling at everyone about how wrong they are. That's what it reminds me of anyway. Go home, you're drunk..


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26651424 - 05/05/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Tell me why suffering exists more than pleasure does, and why enjoyment is impossible. Enlighten us sensei


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    #26651454 - 05/05/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If anybody ever makes me angry.

It's good to think about how, one time they had a first birthday and stuff.

If that makes any sense. It keeps the sympathy or whatever.


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    #26651460 - 05/05/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah buddy, I'm sure you're suffering real hard when you're getting your dick sucked, or eat some good food, or any other reason to smile. You're not being reasonable you're being selfish. By all means , give up your rights and freedoms being that you don't seem to enjoy anything. Give me your money, you clearly don't need it. Anything else you have bought for yourself. If you've got a girl may as well let us run a train on her bro, you ain't enjoying her anyway. It's like you got removed from a party and you're drunkenly yelling at everyone about how wrong they are. That's what it reminds me of anyway. Go home, you're drunk..



Watch the video and the get back to me, tell me how it could be wrong because from what I see suffering doesn’t seem to be something you can wiggle out of appearing to be good


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    #26651461 - 05/05/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If anybody ever makes me angry.

It's good to think about how, one time they had a first birthday and stuff.

If that makes any sense. It keeps the sympathy or whatever.




If they didn’t have a first birthday the would be spared from suffering and from inflicting suffering on anything else.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26651471 - 05/05/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You’d have to be a masochist to sit through that video you just posted.

I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.




No, just a person willing to look at life unvarnished.




Ah ah ah.  :nono:  :noway:

Take it further, you stopped at that conclusion, keep going.  I’m not arguing that it’s one thing or another, just keep going. 

To stop where you are and call it looking at life unvarnished is simply mere self deception.  Subtle, hard to detect, difficult to discern - yet it is self deception.

As for all those arguing life is the opposite of what Thanatos claim, I say the same applies to you.

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    #26651552 - 05/05/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You’d have to be a masochist to sit through that video you just posted.

I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.




No, just a person willing to look at life unvarnished.




Ah ah ah.  :nono:  :noway:

Take it further, you stopped at that conclusion, keep going.  I’m not arguing that it’s one thing or another, just keep going. 

To stop where you are and call it looking at life unvarnished is simply mere self deception.  Subtle, hard to detect, difficult to discern - yet it is self deception.

As for all those arguing life is the opposite of what Thanatos claim, I say the same applies to you.

Mu.  Nettinnetti.




Again I keep telling people to watch the video and they’ll see, life isn’t precious it’s just suffering for no reason. There isn’t a reason for life to continue but a reason for it to end, so living is foolish.


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    #26651554 - 05/05/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I say people think way too much and should enjoy what they have before it is gone.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26651578 - 05/05/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lads, lads, lads.

I think we need to cut 'ol Thannyboy a break here. You see; he has this video right. And this video answers all questions. And because he's, like, watched this video, he now knows the ultimate truth of reality and he is basically god.

You know, cause the video.

I think you're all being really cruel and rude and you're not giving him the respect he deserves cause you all act like you know better.

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26651579 - 05/05/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You’d have to be a masochist to sit through that video you just posted.

I’m noticing you have sociopathic tendencies.




No, just a person willing to look at life unvarnished.




Ah ah ah.  :nono:  :noway:

Take it further, you stopped at that conclusion, keep going.  I’m not arguing that it’s one thing or another, just keep going. 

To stop where you are and call it looking at life unvarnished is simply mere self deception.  Subtle, hard to detect, difficult to discern - yet it is self deception.

As for all those arguing life is the opposite of what Thanatos claim, I say the same applies to you.

Mu.  Nettinnetti.




Again I keep telling people to watch the video and they’ll see, life isn’t precious it’s just suffering for no reason. There isn’t a reason for life to continue but a reason for it to end, so living is foolish.




You know not of suffering till you know of love, but you're taking the path of safety.
Insular self hate is a sure bet.

Somewhere in there though the love comes through proven by your need to argue your point(With yourself also no doubt).

Focus on the antimony between your own struggle.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: pineninja]
    #26651832 - 05/05/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Again I keep saying the same thing, to watch the video. Everyone’s trying to make out life to be some kind of adventure when it’s not. So long as you live you will encounter suffering and you will cause things around you to suffer just by living .


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    #26651845 - 05/05/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How do you know what suffering is?


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26651851 - 05/05/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Does it seem like people are trying to help you, like people care at all that you think that way? How is that causing you undue suffering that people give a shit about how you feel? How is it that being hungry or making someone inadvertently sad is more important than the ability to make others happy? We literally have keys to the universe being human, we hit the cognitive fucking jackpot. Imagine being given paint for the first time and you're just like "Black bro.. it's gotta be black" when you've got all these colours, all the different ways to make them your own and all you wanna do is paint some red doors black.


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    #26651862 - 05/05/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That is the most metal thing I have ever heard....:rockman:


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26651904 - 05/05/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You shouldnt look a gift horse in the anus.



It sort of matches an earlier stance I took that life has no reason to exist and every reason to end. You can’t find flaws in the argument so you try to denigrate it, but that’s doesn’t work. The only true compassion would be to end all life.



This is just you thinking you have the answers again, the truth just like with that solipsism shit. HOW THE FUCK do you Know if life has no reason to exist and every reason to end?! It certainly looks like life is not ending on this planet but rather continuously keep going like it is BUILT IN ALL THINGS LIVING! You know what, I am totally done with you mr Thanatos. Keep your stupid deductions that you think are so right even though they are just your own perspective being mirrored back to you. :crankey:


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26652287 - 05/06/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HOW THE FUCK do you Know if life has no reason to exist and every reason to end?!



Duh. Cause he dun watched a video and read some shit.

People that haven't moved out of their parents house or seen the world are *always* the people in the know about the secrets of life/the world - surely you've noticed that?


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    #26652309 - 05/06/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In his work, "Between Time and Timbuktu", Vonnegut writes something like this on a tombstone:

Dust thou art, and to dust thou shall return.  But wasn't it nice that this pile of dust got a chance to sit up and look around.


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    #26652630 - 05/06/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You shouldnt look a gift horse in the anus.



It sort of matches an earlier stance I took that life has no reason to exist and every reason to end. You can’t find flaws in the argument so you try to denigrate it, but that’s doesn’t work. The only true compassion would be to end all life.



This is just you thinking you have the answers again, the truth just like with that solipsism shit. HOW THE FUCK do you Know if life has no reason to exist and every reason to end?! It certainly looks like life is not ending on this planet but rather continuously keep going like it is BUILT IN ALL THINGS LIVING! You know what, I am totally done with you mr Thanatos. Keep your stupid deductions that you think are so right even though they are just your own perspective being mirrored back to you. :crankey:




Maybe actually attack the argument being made with reason of your own, like the video instead of dancing around it. I keep saying to watch it and get back to me but it’s clear that no one has or intends to.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26652633 - 05/06/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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HOW THE FUCK do you Know if life has no reason to exist and every reason to end?!



Duh. Cause he dun watched a video and read some shit.

People that haven't moved out of their parents house or seen the world are *always* the people in the know about the secrets of life/the world - surely you've noticed that?




Largely irrelevant to the point being made.


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    #26652647 - 05/06/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Here's something interesting related to bringing the birth rate down, but for the sake of Earth:
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    #26652652 - 05/06/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yep. Watched your video thanatos10. I still think your view on life is not correct. But by all means feel as shitty as you want cos its not my life.


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    #26652653 - 05/06/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Largely irrelevant to the point being made.



Disagree. You act like you have authority, when in fact you have next to none.


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    #26652659 - 05/06/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe actually attack the argument being made with reason of your own, like the video instead of dancing around it. I keep saying to watch it and get back to me but it’s clear that no one has or intends to.




I am not watching that long ass video just to argue against your thoughts, which you hold as truth apparently by the way you speak. If you wish to debate this topic then lay out your arguments. I thought that was what you were doing.


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    #26652679 - 05/06/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yep. Watched your video thanatos10. I still think your view on life is not correct. But by all means feel as shitty as you want cos its not my life.



You should recieve a purple heart for that.  I made it a minute twelve and said “Fuck this”.


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:justastonishing:


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    #26652688 - 05/06/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I weighed out my options. Watch a video one time or watch thanatos10 complain about not watching a video a million times....the choice was clear.


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    #26652713 - 05/06/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Shingi...  :foreheadslap:  sry, I mean Thanatos  :awesanta:  tell me you have watched Evangelion before!

I liked it a lot.  How about you?  I can’t remember how it all goes, but was there something akin to solipsism being a part of the story in the end?

I saw Netflix added The Neon Evangelion to their platform, I may check it out again.  :awesomenod: it’s a classic in my book also hilarious at times.

It’s up there with the likes of.  Akira, or Princess Mononoke, and Spirited Away/ Totoro for me.  They made childhood  even more magical.


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    #26653167 - 05/06/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you folks remember when documentaries were based on "fact" or some approximation. These days, any knucklehead in their mom's basement can put together an eye catching drama about lizard people and fake pandemics.


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    #26653209 - 05/06/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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These days, any knucklehead in their mom's basement can put together an eye catching drama about lizard people and fake pandemics.



LOL, it's genius isn't it?

I mean the sheer fact that these is an audience for this special kind of tripe means you gotta give it to the people creating this crap; they're bloody marketing experts if they can get sane people to swallow it.


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    #26653293 - 05/06/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe actually attack the argument being made with reason of your own, like the video instead of dancing around it. I keep saying to watch it and get back to me but it’s clear that no one has or intends to.




I am not watching that long ass video just to argue against your thoughts, which you hold as truth apparently by the way you speak. If you wish to debate this topic then lay out your arguments. I thought that was what you were doing.




I watched it and a few others, you need to in order to grasp what is being said:




So essentially what I am hearing is that people are too lazy to learn the argument or don’t have anything good against it.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26653294 - 05/06/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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These days, any knucklehead in their mom's basement can put together an eye catching drama about lizard people and fake pandemics.



LOL, it's genius isn't it?

I mean the sheer fact that these is an audience for this special kind of tripe means you gotta give it to the people creating this crap; they're bloody marketing experts if they can get sane people to swallow it.




It’s more like if you don’t buy it you’re a psychopath that doesn’t care about suffering


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26653298 - 05/06/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Or no one cares enough?  Not sure.

Anyways, dude - have you ever seen Evangelion?  Tell me!


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    #26653423 - 05/06/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Or no one cares enough?  Not sure.

Anyways, dude - have you ever seen Evangelion?  Tell me!




It's because people on here don't have arguments against it, they just try to belittle it as being silly. They clearly don't care about the suffering that happens so long as life continues to exist.

It's weird because people and living things want to avoid/prevent/end suffering and the only way to successfully do that is death. Therefor the only true compassion is bringing death to all things.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26653435 - 05/06/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thats under the assumption that all life is suffering, which it is not.

Im not sure how to cure your suffering since u seem pretty set upon the Ways of the Solpism. But dont worry, Ascension energies are in effect right now. The Truth is coming Thanatos, just hang in there at least 2 more years.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 3
    #26653442 - 05/06/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Part of the reason people aren’t taking you serious, is because a) you lack perspective but don’t know it and (b) your arguing like your little minded view is the truth on the pub forum of a mushroom website :rolleyes: .... try and take it to the philosophy and psych section at least, or go and join a philosophers forum (it’s a real thing ),  hell if you measure up in the least against some professors and some others like the advanced monks that chime in from time to time, you may actually find others who will give you the time of day the way you want.


Plus, you ignored my question about Evangelion,  yet you wonder why people ignore your idiotic views, terribly backed views - which I’m beginning to be more sure of every day - is the expression of mental illness and delusion.  Mainly because of the lack of coherency and intellectual honesty of both the premise and propositions that you express.  Also the confirmation bias, the selective memory , logical incongruences and more that you do -  are you even aware of it?

To advance philosophically you need to be aware of them.  That’s half why no one “cares” about proving or disproving you -  also bc they are living their lives.  Cmon...

I’ve held off on assuming this has much more to do you your personal physio-psycho-social make up than you can probably imagine - but it’s likely because I didn’t want to hurt your feelings.  But now you know.

And I’m saying what many sees but don’t  say -  it’s not your views, it’s you and your views.  There’s nothing special about them, nor are the ultimate truth, they convey aspects of your experience of the world and that’s it.  End of story.

Einstein himself couldn’t help you, because it’s not about truth - this is about your own life and mental health under the guise of this bs.
I only say this because I believe you could use some real help, and egging you on in your delusions - wether proof or as disproof is simply concertizing them.  I’ve done you a dis justice in that sense, and now am righting that ship.

Most of us are having fun, enjoying life, bonding with our significant others, wives husbands children, friends.  Working, playing, singing, dancing, cooking, making love, tripping, growing psychoactive plants and other hobbies, we also hurt. We suffer, we feel pain. We feel terror. Anguish, malcontent, indignities , injustice, cruelty, and all the above and everything in between - but that’s human life.  And the truth can’t be reduced to one thing or the other , it’s more majestic than anything than can be spoken out of ones mouth - though we bravely try.

as our lives unfold together  in space-time atom by atom minute by minute via our very lives we learn the truth without effort, naturally..
Something that takes our whole lives to do, our attempts to convey it as shitty and limited...but we know of it in our heart of hearts regardless.
Prelingually.

Just inherently naturally have a sense of the truth, that’s all.


Maybe you cannot relate, but that doesn’t mean your own experience is valid for everyone else, and as your version of the truth is based upon your experience as a being -  you have no room to claim it does, especially not in the shit way you present it.

At least write an essay for gods sake,  an actual philosophical disposition of your views with logical constancy before cramping up because people won’t take you seriously.



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Re: Better to never have been [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26653463 - 05/06/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If you can’t read that whole post,  why assume people to watch some random guy on YouTube whose first line is “I’m a vegan”.

Everyone’s doing stuff already, alone or together.

Join the party, your on the party bus too - wether your aware of it or not - wether you like it or not.


Learn to.  You think you have to figure out the truth before you live?  That’s so delusional, that there’s no point in trying to argue with it.

Not knowing is just as fine as knowing, and they are likely just degrees of the same thing any ways.  They also have no fundamental effect on ones ability to live life.

Now...did you watch Evangelion or not!

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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26653469 - 05/06/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's amazing how you just keep trying to insinuate people are ignorant for not understanding your massive intellect but it's you who is being close minded. You just reject everything anyone has to say because it's not the answer you want. It's really sad. You made a list and refuse to let anyone add to it, all while you demand answers as to why there needs to be a list at all. Like if you had a shitty car you refused to fix and just decided no one should have cars because fixing your car makes you sad. Use your brain.


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Re: Better to never have been [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26653532 - 05/06/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Thats under the assumption that all life is suffering, which it is not.

Im not sure how to cure your suffering since u seem pretty set upon the Ways of the Solpism. But dont worry, Ascension energies are in effect right now. The Truth is coming Thanatos, just hang in there at least 2 more years.




There is no "truth", no ascension. I'm not set on Solipsism, I just don't have a solid disproof of it.


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    #26653550 - 05/06/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You have no solid proof of it either :dumbass:


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    #26653573 - 05/06/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Part of the reason people aren’t taking you serious, is because a) you lack perspective but don’t know it and (b) your arguing like your little minded view is the truth on the pub forum of a mushroom website :rolleyes: .... try and take it to the philosophy and psych section at least, or go and join a philosophers forum (it’s a real thing ),  hell if you measure up in the least against some professors and some others like the advanced monks that chime in from time to time, you may actually find others who will give you the time of day the way you want.


Plus, you ignored my question about Evangelion,  yet you wonder why people ignore your idiotic views, terribly backed views - which I’m beginning to be more sure of every day - is the expression of mental illness and delusion.  Mainly because of the lack of coherency and intellectual honesty of both the premise and propositions that you express.  Also the confirmation bias, the selective memory , logical incongruences and more that you do -  are you even aware of it?

To advance philosophically you need to be aware of them.  That’s half why no one “cares” about proving or disproving you -  also bc they are living their lives.  Cmon...

I’ve held off on assuming this has much more to do you your personal physio-psycho-social make up than you can probably imagine - but it’s likely because I didn’t want to hurt your feelings.  But now you know.

And I’m saying what many sees but don’t  say -  it’s not your views, it’s you and your views.  There’s nothing special about them, nor are the ultimate truth, they convey aspects of your experience of the world and that’s it.  End of story.

Einstein himself couldn’t help you, because it’s not about truth - this is about your own life and mental health under the guise of this bs.
I only say this because I believe you could use some real help, and egging you on in your delusions - wether proof or as disproof is simply concertizing them.  I’ve done you a dis justice in that sense, and now am righting that ship.

Most of us are having fun, enjoying life, bonding with our significant others, wives husbands children, friends.  Working, playing, singing, dancing, cooking, making love, tripping, growing psychoactive plants and other hobbies, we also hurt. We suffer, we feel pain. We feel terror. Anguish, malcontent, indignities , injustice, cruelty, and all the above and everything in between - but that’s human life.  And the truth can’t be reduced to one thing or the other , it’s more majestic than anything than can be spoken out of ones mouth - though we bravely try.

as our lives unfold together  in space-time atom by atom minute by minute via our very lives we learn the truth without effort, naturally..
Something that takes our whole lives to do, our attempts to convey it as shitty and limited...but we know of it in our heart of hearts regardless.
Prelingually.

Just inherently naturally have a sense of the truth, that’s all.


Maybe you cannot relate, but that doesn’t mean your own experience is valid for everyone else, and as your version of the truth is based upon your experience as a being -  you have no room to claim it does, especially not in the shit way you present it.

At least write an essay for gods sake,  an actual philosophical disposition of your views with logical constancy before cramping up because people won’t take you seriously.






Because you guys remain ignorant of what reality is like.

People always tend to call someone crazy or mentally ill when they have views and ideas that they can't really counter act. You guys can't really deny that life is suffering and that as long as you (and life) continue to persist it will be at the expense of things around you. You can't really deny it and splitting hairs about how it's ok to care about some things and not other gets us nowhere.

No one has watched the videos or provided a convincing argument against them that doesn't reek of privilege. To call suffering a test is the height of arrogance and ignores the vast numbers of people who could not "pass".

This has nothing to do about mental health but strong questions that people don't really think about and go on living blissfully unaware. Reality existing and other people existing is something taken for granted but when examined isn't solid. You don't seem to grasp how terrifying it is that I can't prove other people exist, the very things you seem to use in argument don't really apply if they are not certain.

They don't get how the prospect of being cosmically alone is terrifying or how to cope if (and possibly when) solipsism is true. How can you possibly gas on about Evangelion when the ideas that we base our lives on can't be proven true?

You claim to truth without effort is just a dream, a hope. It can't be verified.

The only logical incongruities are in the arguments against solipsism which show an ignorance of how deep Solipsism actually goes. You are using things that can be verified to challenge what is TRUE. That I cannot verify that people and the things I love are truly real.

That's all I got from this thread is how little people grasp the issue at hand.


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    #26653575 - 05/06/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You have no solid proof of it either :dumbass:


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    #26653634 - 05/06/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's more comfort than what you are spouting. Even if it is fake it's ok cos we have no way of finding out. Ignorance really is bliss.


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    #26653736 - 05/06/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You guys have no idea of reality?

Lol... a lot of people on this forum, have a good sense of it - which technically is different from an idea, in that an idea is merely abstract and lacking in substance, much like your view of solipsism.

I mentioned your health because you mentioned being autistic or having Aspergers , forget which exactly.

I had a friend diagnosed as well, and he was literally the same as you.  Funny, now that I think about it.  He was utterly obsessed with it, but he couldn’t see what everyone else could see.  But we could see what and what he ignored.  :shrug:  even if that is not causal to my observation about you and you weren’t diagnosed as such -  you still display classic symptoms of mental illness, hence my point.

And in that sense you two are exactly alike.

No point in trying to convince you, my life will go on with or without you understanding that it doesn’t matter one way or the other what you say about the world,  especially when it’s not even thought out well.

You did your undergrad and got a BA I assume?  28 year old know it all, who doesn’t know he doesn’t know a thing.  Obviously smart, but too smart for his own Good - but not smart enough to be good too.  You can change that in an instant or over time if you wanted.

Try the philosophy forum for 1 thing, I’ll give you that advice as a freebie.  If you really wanna talk about this- that’s the place - at-least for the shroomery.

The fact the you even argue at all, is the clearest indication that your just scared and lonely man, no need to be a bitch about it we are all human and thus can feel it too.

Just stop playing like your anything other than a human being like everyone else for the most part.  Because to truly believe what you do, would mean your insane or qualifiable as retarded, not that the world can’t be known by man.

The human race, the world, and the cosmos will keep on being regardless of what you type next and forever more. 

You are now rendered effete - emasculated - useless- by your very own way of thinking, and the attitude that supports it, enjoy.

If you ever grow up -  which is what you actually need - not misinterpreted philosophy that you can’t currently comprehend in the appropriate context (not to mention the display of one sided egoic wisdom you love). the world will be there right where you left it.

Verifiable?  no one needs to verify shit for life to go on.  You don’t even have a basic awareness of the tradition of philosophical inquiry that mankind has developed throughout history, if you did ( but that wold require you to live your life before verifying it via the internet :rolleyes:)
You might actually discover something beyond your own deluded view. 

More truth?  This has way way way way way more to do with your health and psychological state, and your life than you can admit openly.

Deny it all you want, pretend it’s just because life is suffering or that solipsism is all there is.

The fact that you can’t get over the truth, that’s the sign right there, it’s the sign that you are far from “getting it”...so close but so far away.

Atleast, the very least.  Write a proper essay on your position and publish it in the proper location...that way you won’t be bewildered as to why no ones taking it seriously as you in the pub...of the shroomery...on the internet.. . I’m serious, it may do you some good to actually write it proper because then you’ll be forced to observe your own errors, or you will simply be ignored because not doing so and claiming absolute truth with nothing to go by but your own musings..is exactly what insane people do..or overgrown man children.  Serious. Give it a shot, let’s see how you fare in the circles of people who do know there shit.

I will come watch and cheer you on, hell I’ll help prove your point with you to the best of my own limited ability - but some of these guys are beyond good, simply their intellect is on another level.  If your truly interested and don’t wanna just mess around on the pub and troll I’ll Pm you more about it,

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    #26653904 - 05/06/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If I had a soul, or if one existed, I would gladly sell it to forget all this. There is no price I wouldn’t pay to be rid of this for good.

I still cling to the dreams I have, not sure if they prove solipsism or not. Whether it’s future sight or shaping reality.


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    #26653926 - 05/06/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Man, my point is that it truly doesn’t matter one way or the other.  There is freedom in that, sure we are limited in many ways, but it means this life, our experience is ultimately a freebie.  Nothing to gain or lose ultimately.  So why fret so much?  Tell me that.  Your just making waves where there are non by doing so.

To say it matters or doesn’t matter, in fact is a fictive lie in itself.  A mere imputation upon emptiness.  Your reaction to our true nature as emptiness is what makes me tilt my head.  Practice lucid dreaming, and then you can ask your mind brain these questions you ask the shroomery.  That should prove interesting if you can manage.  Furthermore,

Even the self posited by solipsism is empty.  The very thing raising the question, is empty.  Like a magical illusion.

God wins.


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    #26653978 - 05/06/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Man, my point is that it truly doesn’t matter one way or the other.  There is freedom in that, sure we are limited in many ways, but it means this life, our experience is ultimately a freebie.  Nothing to gain or lose ultimately.  So why fret so much?  Tell me that.  Your just making waves where there are non by doing so.

To say it matters or doesn’t matter, in fact is a fictive lie in itself.  A mere imputation upon emptiness.  Your reaction to our true nature as emptiness is what makes me tilt my head.  Practice lucid dreaming, and then you can ask your mind brain these questions you ask the shroomery.  That should prove interesting if you can manage.  Furthermore,

Even the self posited by solipsism is empty.  The very thing raising the question, is empty.  Like a magical illusion.



Because I don’t want the people I love to be figments of my mind, I wouldn’t be able to cope with that reality .


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    #26654003 - 05/06/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But it’s impossible to know absolutely with the kind of certainty your craving.  I won’t deny that solipsism posits a very clever tricky good question, but to me it’s not just that ones own mind is all one can be sure exists.  Descartes got scared, and left it there.  The esoteric traditions of the East, and a few in the west went further still.  Eventually coming to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that the nature of all phenomena is ultimately empty.  All phenomena.  How we get to that point though, has a very steep learning curve, and it’s not the common understanding that the public usually gets.  It is there, it’s out there, and in a sense it’s within us.  Those with eyes to see will either find it or they won’t - even if they will it so.

It’s not that 1 mind alone, of a single individual that is but real, and the others that they perceive via sensory data through the sense organs are basically false- it’s that all of them are empty of an inherently self existent nature. 

It’s more simple, and more extreme -  but it cannot be easily encapsulated in a word, and using a system of philosophy to demonstrate and illustrate it well enough for the most common of us to understand on a first pass read is a seemingly impossible task.  Hence why it gets divided into a 2 fold system to describe things from both the relative and absolute view points of truth -  and fewer traditions can coalesce the two and express it into a single philosophy that can do full justice to the truth of our lives.

Essentially in the esoteric abrahamic traditions that 2 sided coin looks like this ,  God view is the stand in for the absolute truth- and Man view or realm is the stand in for the relative truth or realm - they both occur co mutually and with each simultaneously as primordially interdependently originated and interconnected.  One is from the point of view of duality, the other is from non duality.  One encompasses the other, but not the other way around.  As symbolic language goes, that’s the gist of it.  But that type of understanding is rarely understood through and through and to the letter in public household life.  The two truths aren’t separate, and go together..

Wether an immediate and unapproachable cool headed view from the schools of Dzogchen or many of the  Vajryana vehicle is your thing, or the middle way of the Mahayana vehicle such as some surviving  Zen lineages, or the Thai forest traditions were the likes of heavy disciplined, ascetic yet highly technical no-nonsense philosophical schools ie. Thannisario Bikkhu who practices the incomparable way -  that’s for you to discern and learn for yourself, if you ever wished to see and know that there are humans who exist that you cannot lump into some blanketing statements. 



They have kept the flame lite all these years, you can go and find them if you want and learn.  But, beware - many trappings along the way to finding a genuine community of monks on the esoteric schools of Buddhism.  It takes discernment and trial and error..any ways there’s that...otherwise your just a lay believer who may be duped or grafted... - but that’s not what you want right?


Carrying On,

This solves the paradox of solipsism very neatly and for good.  Though how I expressed it in writing probably didn’t connect with you in a way that transmits what in my head to yours- but maybe it did :shrug:.  Even so, the problem of solipsism remains for most - the problem being how individuals react to having the rug pulled out from under them like so.  What this does does it chop through a Gordian knot, it solves the impossible koan - and when truly Grocked by oneself it is liberating - freeing the experiential dimension of our own life. 

So, I ask whose response to our life as temporarily embodied sentient beings is most appropriate?  Which is the most high given the conditions of the situation in which we find ourselves? 

It’s more realistic to believe we are all phantoms in a higher beings mind, than to believe just one individual human is the progenitor of all.

We are limited in our capacity to know, so we must be our best with what we can know.  And we cannot know our own minds merely intellectually, to do so is to subject ourselves to a one sided madness with no answer.  Why?  Because the intellect is not the mind itself, the intellect is a function of the mind, a part of the whole.  Just Like the function of memory - or the ability to remember and recall is a function, a part of the whole and not the whole itself.  To miss appropriate so much belief to a singLe function of the immeasurable whole of Mind seems a tragic error.  Intellect is highly useful in the mundane world, and if all you know is the mundane world than it may be okay. 

However, your delving into things that are beyond the intellect, and requires more than just it alone.  It requires the whole capacity of mind.  And that’s not something that has been kept alive as a tradition in the modern house holders world.
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    #26654024 - 05/06/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just going to mention Thanatos that it might be worth it to get some help on these issues you have outside an internet forum. I concur with what BlindAss said. I understand that you cant simply let these existential problems go. Just get some help and be curious about other perspectives before you spend all your life trapped in misery and despair.


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    #26654832 - 05/07/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Just going to mention Thanatos that it might be worth it to get some help on these issues you have outside an internet forum. I concur with what BlindAss said. I understand that you cant simply let these existential problems go. Just get some help and be curious about other perspectives before you spend all your life trapped in misery and despair.



I recognize that I tend to favor philosophy that makes me suffer and agonize but nothing that helps me. Even when I can see the errors in logic, like there being no proof for the foundations of solipsism, I still favor what hurts me. It’s been that way for a while. Nihilism hurts me so I favored it.

That explanation went over my head though.

I’m just scared of the cosmic loneliness aspect, that’s all.


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    #26654841 - 05/07/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Today I put quinoa in my rice cooker, to great effect. As my house filled with the most delicious scents I counted my blessings, among them being so much more than a figment of Thanatos' imagination.





Pretty brutal?
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    #26654889 - 05/07/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Life is meaningless. Sweeeeetttt!!!!

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Today I put quinoa in my rice cooker, to great effect. As my house filled with the most delicious scents I counted my blessings, among them being so much more than a figment of Thanatos' imagination.





Pretty brutal?
Not really. :hug:




But saying that doesn’t really prove anything.

Honestly I could accept all this being the dream of a god much easier than accepting that it was all just me.


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    #26655152 - 05/07/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I fucking love you thanatos10. What do you have to say about that? :p


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    #26655285 - 05/07/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about millions of socially-conscious and unified citizens, all just stepping up and doing their part?



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What about millions of socially-conscious and unified citizens, all just stepping up and doing their part?





What saddens me is that I have to believe they are real, I can’t verify it.


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    #26655528 - 05/07/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that must be hard to deal with.  I'm sorry that you're in this situation.


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Let us Pray for Thanatos to realize that people are actually real and not some psychological illusion of the Mind.

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Let us Pray for Thanatos to realize that people are actually real and not some psychological illusion of the Mind.

Amen. :raptorJesus:



It’s not a realization it’s a belief, just like solipsism. Neither can truly be verified.

As for anti natalism the argument seems to be that we don’t need to experience good things in life and that if one dies they won’t have to worry about chasing after good experiences and they prevent further suffering. I think that’s the short version. It’s basically a “net gain” since pleasure and joy is viewed as not having a height enough value to offset suffering and that it’s often just to stave off “hunger” (is boredom and seeking experiences).


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    #26656294 - 05/07/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In a sense with death you don’t “have to do anything” to make living bearable, and you avoid suffering


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    #26656305 - 05/07/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also that assumes theres no afterlife, which ironically cannot be proven to exist just like solipsims itself.


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    #26658433 - 05/08/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.edge.org/conversation/thomas_metzinger-benevolent-artificial-anti-natalism-baan

An interesting perspective that uses the term “existence bias”.


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