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Re: Better to never have been [Re: blessed]
#26648316 - 05/04/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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but now that I am here, the top things for me about life is,
pizza's, yummy foods, Human Interactions (but also HI are in the worst things about life categorie), motorbikes and going fast on them, the sight of a beautiful woman, magic mushrooms, music, games, amazing landscapes, clouds and the moon shining through them, stars, movies and cool websites like this one. there's a few more, but these are the main ones .
I used to believe interacting with humans was one of the worst experiences in life - until I realized it was myself I hated most.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26648579 - 05/04/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: He seems like a very depressed person. Well, good thing is major depression can be treated or at least alleviated to some extent. Mushrooms are looking very promising for that as well, so good thing he is in the right place. I just don't think he wants to get better
What people call depression seems to be an accurate view of reality.
Though in terms of logic anti natalism doesn’t seem to be so after some reflection. It seeks to compare two states when it only has data for one, and said data is subject to interpretation and can’t really be quantified. Suffering is a fairly nebulous term and it varies from person to person and some say that suffering is what makes life worthwhile.
Plus trying to stop suffering is pointless. Even if all humans died voluntarily life would go on, I mean unless humans were stupid or arrogant enough to nuke the planet because we thought we were doing it a favor
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26648597 - 05/04/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: What people call depression seems to be an accurate view of reality.
LOL. Brilliant. That's probably one of the most upside down, inside out, back to front things I've ever heard in my whole life.
You don't cease to amaze young Thanatos, I'll give you that!
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I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.
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larry.fisherman said: There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot."
LOL I fucking love that. 100% agree. You gotta go there before you can even start to form a scratch of humility.
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larry.fisherman said: I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.
Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.
Colorblind people seeing color are only excited because it is new, they still remain ignorant of the general truth of reality and our existence. When you finally see that then it won't matter how novel something is, you'll see everything for the void it is.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26648919 - 05/04/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Solved it man, case closed.
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Solved it man, case closed.
Essentially yes. Joy and happiness means you're just lying to yourself.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26648960 - 05/04/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly, you figured out the secret. Or it might just be you and possibly some others. Guess you will never know.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26648961 - 05/04/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.
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spirit_shadow said: Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.
That's bullshit
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Lol, ignorant or not people get depressed. People who can’t experience joy just supplement another emotion as better and thus are just as much liers and phony in that aspect.
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spirit_shadow said: Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.
That's bullshit
Ok wrong choice of words. My bad. Not all depressed people are ignorant. I've been depressed myself. You just need to see life the right way is all I'm saying. I've been thru more shit than most people but I've seen the beauty through it all. If I can then most others can as well.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26648998 - 05/04/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.
Know it all?
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26649169 - 05/04/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: I'm diagnosed depressive. I was going to say in another thread, but chose not, that opiates for me are kind of like these videos you can find. There are these Enchroma glasses you can get to help colourblind people see colours and there's tons of reaction videos of people being gifted them. One that really stuck out to me was I remember one guy saying "Wow, you guys really see this every day?" He's just looking at some trees and shit and they're nearly in tears. That's what drugs are like for a depressive person. There's not a fucking thing in the world that makes me think how I feel is normal. Depression isn't just a word it's a deep seated desire to off one's self, and many of those people adore living. This guy is either a troll or someone who has yet to reach the point of accepting their own futility. There comes a point where every truly smart person must say "I am a fucking idiot." You then knock down your ivory tower just to build it again better, yet never letting it again climb so high. The difference between a smart person and a wise person is ego.
Not really, the wise from what I can tell are usually depressed having seen the truth of things around them. Depression isn't some disease to cure, it's what happens when we come to grips with the reality of our existence and how pointless it all is. Few actually dare to go that far, not wanting to relinquish happiness, joy, meaning. But such things are the price of truth.
Colorblind people seeing color are only excited because it is new, they still remain ignorant of the general truth of reality and our existence. When you finally see that then it won't matter how novel something is, you'll see everything for the void it is.
Intelligence has been shown to statistically correlate with depression
Am not aware of any such correlation with Wisdom; and with it being typically associated with accomplished religious practitioners, it is difficult for me to presume such a connection exists

Intelligence and Wisdom are different things tho -- Intelligence is having knowledge; Wisdom is knowing what is the appropriate knowledge for the appropriate situation
Depression is a coded way of feeling about the world; it is about an inability to accept things as they are few are actually brave enough to relinguish depression and to brutally accept truth
Colorblind people have a condition where they perceive colours differently than the general public; it is not per se an absence of colour, but a hinderance of social connection
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Achromatopsia is a condition characterized by a partial or total absence of color vision. People with complete achromatopsia cannot perceive any colors; they see only black, white, and shades of gray.
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/achromatopsia#diagnosis
know two sisters with this condition -- colour blind people can legally drive because they can learn where each light is in the sequence and recognize them that way people with achromatopsia cannot be licensed to drive, as they cannot perceive the lights illuminating properly am not aware of any medical advances that allow them to see colour
The only "proper" way of being in the world is acceptance of the good and the bad, without feeling inherently joyful or badly about it
after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people

Tho it is also wild to consider that as much as my brain reasons out that my being born in to this world of suffering at all was "wrong" apparently the fetus effectively attacks the mother in order to assert its right and validity to be in the world

so my response to the stimuli of living and being alive has apparently dramatically changed over the fullness of the cycle of my existence thus far
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika]
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after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people
That sounds like a crappy way to live, I can say that since I behave similarly most of my life. To not genuinely feel feelings but only stuff that is appropriate for the time. I mean even the part about loss being false is cold. It sounds too much like depression.
I find a sort of morbid beauty in nature at it's work. It's interesting to watch. It's a stark reminder that nature simply doesn't care about what we think is right or wrong. It's amazing...and terrifying.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26649212 - 05/04/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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after that first level, it is appropriate to feel a variety of ways to share in social experiences if people around you are depressed over loss, the compassionate thing is often to commiserate with them, rather than tell them their loss is false and not worth crying over if people around you want to give you gifts and celebrate their promotion at work, the compassionate thing is to thank them for the gifts and share in their celebration to maximize their feelings of joy in both situations, the individual with "true understanding" knows there is no reason to feel anything with regards to either situation as they are just random things that occur through particle and waves in reality colliding but the conventionally appropriate way of being in the world may include feeling depressed over things to empathetically connect with other people
That sounds like a crappy way to live, I can say that since I behave similarly most of my life. To not genuinely feel feelings but only stuff that is appropriate for the time. I mean even the part about loss being false is cold. It sounds too much like depression. ...
You spend enough time in meditation, you will realize that you never genuinely feel feelings in the first place it is all just cause and effect response and a lot of the time the specificity of that response is ascribed to how societal expectations dictate one should be effected by a particular cause loss-->sadness gain-->joy
The part about loss being false, is cold -- that is why the wise thing to do is to help people grieve rather than tell them about it there are more appropriate times and places to discuss the ultimate nature of reality, and telling someone "death doesn't matter" while they are vulnerable and grieving over death will often hurt them in an emotional sense more than it will help guide them to an ultimate understanding
it has to be balanced out with a proper understanding of compassion but all the monks I've met over the course of my life have been comfortable in their way of life while my own had for years been disordered and confusing
in contrast, you are talking about feeling miserable every day and joy being false it does not sound like a great way to live, and I can say that since I behaved similarly for most of my life and have since shed it for something that allows me to connect with people in my life in meaningful ways
still an annoying and contradictory bitch, just now also balance it out with support and empathy sometimes 
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Thanatos10 said: ... I find a sort of morbid beauty in nature at it's work. It's interesting to watch. It's a stark reminder that nature simply doesn't care about what we think is right or wrong. It's amazing...and terrifying.
in the end, Nature finds evolutionary Balance through Conflict species that we figure are without a concept of right or wrong fighting for their own selfish survival of their genes
 the human organism is not above nor below them but we seem to establish an idea that Mind and its products may be
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Tantrika]
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Still doesn’t change that such a view is cold. Because that would mean that my love for others isn’t real, or sadness, or joy. I can’t see how someone could live such an existence, it seems pretty sad.
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spirit_shadow said: Only ignorant people are depressed. They just cant see through the right perspective yet.
That's bullshit
Ok wrong choice of words. My bad. Not all depressed people are ignorant. I've been depressed myself. You just need to see life the right way is all I'm saying. I've been thru more shit than most people but I've seen the beauty through it all. If I can then most others can as well.
There's a good amount of people with chemical imbalances that battle it their whole lives. Robin Williams is am good example of someone who tried his damndest to get out of it but it was in the end a disease.
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