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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646054 - 05/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Having a life without love for anything sounds really sad 
Without Love for anything, can a person enjoy life?
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646062 - 05/03/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would I trust the experience of drug addled individuals.
Nonsimplifica.
Its a recurrent theme with that category of drugs. Its obviously coming from somewhere.
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Why would I trust the experience of drug addled individuals.
Nonsimplifica.
Its a recurrent theme with that category of drugs. Its obviously coming from somewhere.
Not really, it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality. Like how knowing that the self is product of brain activity doesn’t mean it makes any objective claims to reality.
Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself. Too had people are stuck in 60’s-70’s mentality.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Having a life without love for anything sounds really sad 
Without Love for anything, can a person enjoy life?
Who said it’s about enjoying life? If you want the truth you’ll have to trade a lot for it, if you want enjoyment then you’ll have to lie to yourself.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26646080 - 05/03/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26646088 - 05/03/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality.
Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself.
I don't know your grasp of science but if a chemical in its interaction with an organism tends to produce a certain alteration of consciousness, I would say that that is VERY telling of aspects of reality.
You're saying, if repeating variables gets the same outcome, that means nothing.
That may be how nihilism works but its not how science works.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Asante]
#26646123 - 05/03/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: it’s the effect of a drug. It doesn’t say anything about reality.
Like I mentioned before, humans place too much emphasis on drug experiences when they are really just chemical effects. They say nothing about reality itself.
I don't know your grasp of science but if a chemical in its interaction with an organism tends to produce a certain alteration of consciousness, I would say that that is VERY telling of aspects of reality.
You're saying, if repeating variables gets the same outcome, that means nothing.
That may be how nihilism works but its not how science works.
You have a misguided definition of science. If people experience such a “lonely god” it can just be a hallucination. All that can be concluded from it is that such a drug has that effect. It doesn’t say anything about the nature of reality. By your definition then blindness would suggest there is nothing out there.
Drugs producing altered states doesn’t tell us anything about the nature of reality, only the effects of said drugs on life forms.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Why would have to lie to myself to enjoy it? I play a video game, I know its a video game, I still enjoy it regardless. You don't have to know the truth of something to enjoy it, however if you know all Truths, then you can enjoy Everything. Perfect Wisdom of Reality is Transcendence.
That’s technically wrong as a video game, like stories, rely on the suspension of belief to be enjoyed. If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable. Perfect wisdom isn’t transcendence, it’s more like misery really. When you realize his joy and awe are just projections upon reality then you cease to feel them
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646177 - 05/03/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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But the Wisdom is you can gain happiness from Reality itself if you know how. That's the Wisdom. And from Creation, Wisdom and Happiness can be gained and enjoyed.
When I watch a movie, I know its not real/possible but I cant help but enjoy the story, the music, the acting, the characters, the Journey
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LogicaL Chaos said: But the Wisdom is you can gain happiness from Reality itself if you know how. That's the Wisdom. And from Creation, Wisdom and Happiness can be gained and enjoyed.
When I watch a movie, I know its not real/possible but I cant help but enjoy the story, the music, the acting, the characters, the Journey 
You are proving my point, that suspension of belief.
But to see reality as it is is to lose joy and happiness.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26646181 - 05/03/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.
Uhh, no?
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26646257 - 05/03/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.
Uhh, no? 
Yes
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646278 - 05/03/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel like there are lots of people who enjoy books and video games actually. And movies. And shows. And board games. And card games. And sports games. And all the pretend games that little kids make up...
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Envix]
#26646290 - 05/03/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get it but you lose interest in life when youre not invested in it. But to be invested in something means you are tied to it mentally, emotionally and spiritually. A game or book you can just turn off but the game of life? No sir, you cannot. Not until after you finish your dinner.
Eat it while it's still warm.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Envix]
#26646294 - 05/03/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646312 - 05/03/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.
Uhh, no? 
Yes
Proof? Or was that just your personal opinion?
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26646464 - 05/03/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are aware something is just a story or a game then it ceases to be enjoyable.
Uhh, no? 
Yes
Proof? Or was that just your personal opinion?
There is evidence to suggest that the enjoyment of stories and video games is in the immersion process,which is when you don't realize you're watching or playing a game. IF they fail to do that and you become aware of it as just a book or movie, etc, then the enjoyment vanishes.
Not sure what this has to do with solipsism.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10]
#26646477 - 05/03/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes immersion may increase enjoyment but one can be aware of what is going on while enjoying it. The way you just state your opinions like universal facts is just poor thinking on your part.
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26646620 - 05/03/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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InnerWisdom said: Yes immersion may increase enjoyment but one can be aware of what is going on while enjoying it. The way you just state your opinions like universal facts is just poor thinking on your part.
Except it’s not an opinion but what has been tested and observed. What good is a story if you know it’s a story. Immersion is the point of it and the hard task of a writer
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Re: Better to never have been [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#26646644 - 05/03/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: What good is a story if you know it’s a story.
As an author I tell you: knowing that a rollercoaster is a predetermined ride adds to its enjoyment.
Because it is a ride, a story, it is safe to let go and go weeeeee.
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