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OfflineMrBovineJoni
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Seemingly high natural tolerance * 1
    #26640752 - 05/01/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi everyone, usually I only lurk around cultivation sections but I have read quite a bit in this sub-forum as well.

The matter in the topic(naturally higher tolerance to psilocin) is something I have spent some time searching and reading about, and just wanted to share my personal experience and perhaps someone can add their observations on the matter.

A little background first. I have been semi regularly smoking weed (like the long holiday weekends) a few times a year for at least 10 years now. Also been interested in trying mushrooms(I prefer the natural side of this as well) but getting them where I have lived was impossible. So I got interested into this hobby and shroomery has been an invaluable resource (both TEKs & lovely people with good advice).

I'm a very analytical person - my friends have jokingly said that I'm probably somewhere on the weak side of the autistic spectrum, I can be socially very flexible but I am and always will be introvert. Therefore I never trip around people I don't like/trust.

When it comes to taking cubes (let's keep it simple - these are not any of the stronger cube strains like PE/APE) I have a good reference frame because of my experience with weed and also I have done it together with my partner with variable dosages (shrooms definitely are not duds!). And I definitely have higher tolerance to THC effects than average person, and seems that for the effects of psilocin it is the same. All of the mushrooms I have done are either from tea (with some acidity added) or topping up a good ongoing trip with a few dried shrooms.

Initially I started with 2-2.5 grams with 1 or 2 weeks gaps to establish some kind of safe baseline (my partner also did the same) - and important to note, there was no mixing with weed at this point. The effects were good but from the trip reports/effect descriptions I had read, I was kind of expecting more and my partner seemed to be having stronger effects already.

Then knowing that I can easily handle 2.5g I started upping dosages to 3.5 ; 4g ; 4.5g ; 5.5g with every next session and the effects were getting noticeably stronger but it all seemed very gradual to me (not like how some people report it almost like breaking through a threshold and completely next level shit starts happening :eek:).  My partner has not done more than 4grams (2.5 + 1.5 with ~1h gap).

Basically by the time I got to 5.5 I was experiencing close to what would be described as Level 3 trip (but on the weak side, seeing fractals on some surfaces but the effects were not what I would describe as "intrusive" because I could immediately change the course of the trip and see something different if I did not enjoy that particular visual; pretty strong closed eye visuals). I really enjoy listening to old viking/norse inspired music - there is a band called Heilung that basically perform songs as paganistic rituals.

At this point I wanted to try shrooms with weed as I read that a lot of people get really good experience out of this combo. So I did 6.5g + a few joints on a sunny Saturday morning. That was the best trip I had - basically kept the trip on the same level but made it longer and just made it more..enhanced? Up to this point I had not seen anything that I would describe as intense hallucinations - still just fractals and some colours blurring together like texture on my fence seemingly flowing towards grass.

I was ready for more and it had become apparent that for me it is impossible to achieve Level 4 or 5 trips with 5gs of shrooms as it is typically recommended.

So next I did 8.5g + some good weed. Well. Fuck. I think I started hitting Level 4 or so. I was seeing/experiencing some reality breaking shit:
  • I was talking to my partner and for about 20 seconds I was observing our conversation while it is happening from the third person view.
  • During another part of the conversation I was not able to distinguish between me and her. Basically felt like we were swapped.
  • Proper hallucinations - intense fractals no matter where I look (almost as intense as with closed eyes). I was looking at my hand and for a moment it looked like a portal to another dimension and then I could see underneath my skin (like muscles and tendons).
  • I was lying in my bed and for a while 2 doors in this room were swapped

    You get the idea  :nyan:
    However, I was mostly still in full control of what I was doing and what was happening in "my immediate reality". I knew where I was and that I was tripping and quite enjoying most of it.


This trip was the most intense I have ever had but considering it was 8.5g + weed it was not what would be normally expected. At some point I will try 8.5 but without any weed for comparison. I have a feeling that for me to reach Level 5 I would have to go past 10g of dried mushrooms which seems like a a very big dose.

One thing I wanted to add is that I have never had any introspective or life changing (spiritual or emotional) experiences while tripping.

Perhaps for me it is not even possible to reach Level 5 (time dilation, spacetime distortions, and changes in perception of reality)?

Is this normal? Are there many people with similar experience?


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni] * 2
    #26640801 - 05/01/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You haven’t indicated what gaps you are taking between doses; so it could be a combination of, high tolerance, low sensitivity to mushrooms, and weak mushrooms. And when you said your girlfriend had 4g (2.5g + 1.5g 1 hr later). That was not 4g it was 2.5g. All the extra 1.5g will have done was lengthen the trip - tolerance will have already set in. For best effects, you should always take your dose in one go.

Good luck
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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26640836 - 05/01/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Fair enough, I'll add more information.

I have tried Chitwan, Hawaiian, original PF and Keepers Creepers. Some spores from vendors, some from other members here so they are definitely of the right potency as it has been consistent for all of them. Unless every single genetics I have are weak which is unlikely.

I have tested with 3 day, 1 week and 2 weeks gaps with 5.5g doses. 1/2 weeks produce very similar results but with 2 week gap it is a bit stronger. With the 3 day gap obviously the trip was not strong as I still had pretty high tolerance.

So probably my issue could be better redefined as lower sensitivity to mushrooms instead of higher natural tolerance (while the end effect is basically the same).


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26640957 - 05/01/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I could be wrong, there are always so many variables, but you are describing classic tolerance symptoms. At 5.5g, you should be getting blasted into hyperspace, almost full on ego dissolution, complete transcendence of space and time. I personally would recommend you take a full 4 weeks off then try 5.5g again.

Regarding the spores, they will always be random. Only when you grow them out on agar, or clone strong ones from a flush, can you start to rely on them being strong.

I’ve been struggling with this for years; patience! I have this week though just started my first grow from 3rd generation agar :dancer: The results should be outstanding :thumbup:

Take a break dude, the return trip is always beautiful :thumbup:


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni] * 2
    #26640976 - 05/01/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you take any medications?


Have you heard of maoi's?


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641206 - 05/01/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

The Mycologist said:
Do you take any medications?


Have you heard of maoi's?



Nope, don't take anything else than occasional iboprofen/advil for headaches. Never had any mental or emotional issues.

Yes, I have heard about MAOIs and definitely never taken them.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni] * 2
    #26641237 - 05/01/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

2 weeks of no prior psychedelics, benzos, SSRIs etc before a 5.5g trip and you weren't facemelted into infinity?

You sound like an anomaly to me  :strokebeard:  and yes they do exist.

To reiterate what Ed said it's important not to waste by redosing with mushrooms, as tolerance builds very quickly.

It's OK to do to get yor bearings but in general you should take the entirety of your intended dose around the same time - even as little as half an hour gap will mean an extension of the trip instead of higher intensity.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni] * 2
    #26641282 - 05/01/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well this may be of interest to you

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25888180

Maois work with shrooms too. And if you really do end up having a wild natural tolerance this can be a way for you to conserve shrooms.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641449 - 05/01/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting information here, thank you guys.

In general I don't mind if I have to take stronger dose if I enjoy doing it regularly but I will for sure try to not take anything for 4 weeks and then do only 4g and see what happens.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni] * 1
    #26641455 - 05/01/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

OP, plenty of people have that problem.  You just have to grow more than usual, find your proper dosage, and trip away.  It's exactly the same thing as if you have built-up tolerance, and the only cure is raising the dose to compensate.  For me tolerance plateaus at about 5x the baseline dose, so in times of daily use I work up to as much as 250g fresh (as tea) from a base level of 50g or so.  Nothing to worry about really, everybody's different.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26641606 - 05/01/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Try really potent mutant strains. Should help your issue. If that doesn't help, then you gotta MAOI it. Or do experimental extractions.


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26644075 - 05/02/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I know exactly what you mean I struggle with the same thoughts as you. Also, never lost conscious over my Trips and at any time I have control over every part of it.

At this point I almost wish I would have a horror Trip once just to get confirmation that I can experience some unforeseen things. 

I am still pretty new to all this, so I worked my dose up every week the last few month with different strains but it seems I never got more than mild visuals even when I took upwards 10g a few times.

Definitely get a bit envious when I read about the profound Trip reports here.

Always having this high expectation but failing to deliver in the end kills a great portion of my experience in most of the Trips.

So I taught I might have build up a high tolerance over all this time therefore took a 3-week break lately.

Then yesterday I started fresh over with 5g try Cubes and the results were pretty much underwhelming after all, I had some nice close eye visuals but 2hours in almost felt complete sober already though.
Asking myself once more if I did something wrong during cultivation or something about the drying process and so on.

At this point I unfortunately believe I somehow can't "really" Trip, its like some mechanism in my body prevent it or similar.
Just to get confirmation I hopefully get some Pan cyan to grow soon, they might change my attitude.

Anyway I  wish you luck and hope we find our Answer one day


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Re: Seemingly high natural tolerance [Re: Notker] * 1
    #26644663 - 05/02/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just up the dosage.  It can't possibly hurt you, and it will get you to the level you want to be at.  Don't think that any repetition rate less that weekly will have any noticeable effect either due to tolerance.  You want to know what YOUR tolerance is.

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    #26644952 - 05/03/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

try doing penis envy, or penis envy uncut varieties. they're stronger than other cubes by a noticable amount. a rather noticable amount. <_<

i had natural tolerance like you as well, to the point that 5 grams barely got me any visuals other than increased depth and enhancement of colors and some very minor glitches - it was only through repeated trips that it slowly improved over time and even then not by a ton, but the visuals slowly increased over time.

i think some people just need to reach certain "breakthroughs" then after that a sort of reverse tolerance occurs and they need less to trip with better visuals. or something.

or maybe it's just that the visuals would get in the way of what's actually needed for you atm and so they're kind of kept to a minimum. i know i've learned quite a lot through the headspace i reached from tripping, and the visuals probably wouldve distracted me from my musings while there.

and don't discount breaks either! sometimes a long break sober after tripping is needed to digest what you've learned. if you feel like you need to take a break, don't discount that feeling. take a break and ponder over what you've learned until you feel the call again!


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