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Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? * 1
    #26639453 - 04/30/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel a major source of what was my depression was this feeling as though there was something wrong with me or like everyone hated me because i don't talk to people. I had this belief that people thought we were doomed to a life of misery and despair if we became isolated . In todays day/age we are able to stay connected socially, even amidst a crisis forcing us into self isolation.  We always have the option to communicate to each other. But what of those of us who choose not even to do that? Not even attempt to make friends online? Are we then, too considered automatically sad and destined to a life of missed opportunities?

It wasn't until after i accepted my situation, that i was able to drop the definitions and belief structures tied to these things. And it wasn't until then was i able to learn how to generate pockets of happiness amidst the gaps of existential static.

This is a simulation, guys. You're not confined to a society's consensus opinions about what things should make you feel one way or another. We literally program the way we react to things and process information. "Waking up" to this realization, we are able to be not only the test subjects, but the scientist as well


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 2
    #26639482 - 04/30/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like SOME level of communication is needed to be happy for most people, either in life talking, or talking on the phone, or texting or message boards, etc...

I feel like humans are inheritably social beings therefore need some social stimulation of some kind to be Happy or at the least "sane".

Ive been depressed from a lack of friends/interactions, which actually makes u wanna socialize less. Its a terrible place for me. I hope I never return to that state. :nonono:

Also the Simulation is Real. Soul-Learning in a 3D Realm.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26639495 - 04/30/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

True, i also feel like SOME is required, and total 100% isolation could be similar to sensory deprivation,  making you delirious like in cast away

But i dont think we need nearly as much as most people say we do, in order to not be a seriel killer or weird creep


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 2
    #26639532 - 04/30/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I feel a major source of what was my depression was this feeling as though there was something wrong with me or like everyone hated me because i don't talk to people. I had this belief that people thought we were doomed to a life of misery and despair if we became isolated . In todays day/age we are able to stay connected socially, even amidst a crisis forcing us into self isolation.  We always have the option to communicate to each other. But what of those of us who choose not even to do that? Not even attempt to make friends online? Are we then, too considered automatically sad and destined to a life of missed opportunities?

It wasn't until after i accepted my situation, that i was able to drop the definitions and belief structures tied to these things. And it wasn't until then was i able to learn how to generate pockets of happiness amidst the gaps of existential static.

This is a simulation, guys. You're not confined to a society's consensus opinions about what things should make you feel one way or another. We literally program the way we react to things and process information. "Waking up" to this realization, we are able to be not only the test subjects, but the scientist as well




There is data to support that loneliness is bad for your health. That being said however it is accepted that the level of social interaction that people need varies. But humans do need some form of social interaction, I mean you are posting on a forum so.....

You didn’t really drop anything, you are within the expected tolerances of the variance of people that need social interaction. This isn’t a simulation and the data does support the claims that social interaction does lead to greater happiness. We don’t program anything, it’s just how humans are. We are social creatures after all. You aren’t testing the scientist, you don’t even know the science behind it.

The verdict so far is that while the amount of interaction necessary varies based on the person some degree of it is needed for our health. Not only that but for intellectual honesty, otherwise you get an echo chamber from isolation.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26639540 - 04/30/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's really very simple; we ARE social creatures. Nothing can deny the fact that millions of years of evolution, and each of our own existences, has been perpetuated by an ancestor that was good socially.

People who don't socialise, don't mate.

I feel from the very core of my being that having good social connections is one of the absolute core tenets of being mentally healthy. I don't think it is possible to be so without them.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639545 - 04/30/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of our cultures and others we surround ourselves with and are exposed to , but we are not bound to it, we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639548 - 04/30/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also I can say that from personal experience, solitude is over hyped. You really just end up stuck in your own ways of being and thinking and it makes it very hard to deal with people on return.

Distance from people is nice every now and then for perspective, but too much is detrimental. Though some religions praise it as a virtue, Buddhism being one


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639553 - 04/30/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of others , but we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it




The funny thing is that you don’t. “We” don’t determine anything, it’s already been down just like we don’t choose what we believe. This implies a sort of free will that doesn’t exist.

Also changing beliefs doesn’t change reality. You can believe you’re invulnerable but that doesn’t make it so, etc etc.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639572 - 04/30/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm talking strictly about beliefs of how things make us feel. Which is 100% subjective. Thats what a belief IS.. its what makes it, not a fact...


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639574 - 04/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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True, i also feel like SOME is required, and total 100% isolation could be similar to sensory deprivation,  making you delirious like in cast away

But i dont think we need nearly as much as most people say we do, in order to not be a seriel killer or weird creep




Id agree with that. I would consider myself a "social introvert", a mix of enjoying being alone and interacting with a select number of people.

Also Thanatos is right about socializing and health: Ive read that socializing helps stimulate your brain and can help prevent Alzheimer's.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26639575 - 04/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of our cultures and others we surround ourselves with and are exposed to , but we are not bound to it, we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it



Culture is brand new and always changing. Human nature is millions of years old. I disagree that this is a case of 'mind over matter'.

I've have known literally thousands of people in my life. It's unanimous that the happiest are those that have the most wide, varied, and deep social connections.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639594 - 04/30/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It is true you cant ignore history especially when it remains consistent and dates back millions of years. But there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on. Our level of attachments to things can be altered and you can witness yourself becoming a different person. changing values, beliefs and ideals is as normal a thing in life as changing jobs, cars or apartments. Most people just have such a strong attachment to their social identity they just cant let go of the idea that its a terrible thing to be a nobody coasting through life


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639595 - 04/30/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm talking strictly about beliefs of how things make us feel. Which is 100% subjective. Thats what a belief IS.. its what makes it, not a fact...




Those are also out of your control. It’s funny how we believe ourselves to be masters of our fate when really we are just deterministic meat puppets.

Also that’s not what a belief is, it’s more than just that sector.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639600 - 04/30/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It is true you cant ignore history especially when it remains consistent and dates back millions of years. But there are other traits as qell such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to keep a grip on. Our level of attachments to things can be altered and you can witness yourself becoming a different person, changing values, beliefs and ideals is as normal a thing in life as changing jobs, cars or apartments. Most people just have such a steong attachment to their social identity they just cant let go of the idea that its a terrible thing to be a nobody coasting through life




Also not true. The truth is that despite what you want to believe most people don’t change THAT much over the course of their lives without some dramatic event happening. It’s nothing to do with attachment.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639602 - 04/30/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If a belief is not subjective, then what is it ?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639606 - 04/30/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How does attachment have nothing to do with belief? How is it we have no control over what we believe? And if thats the case how come we have so many religious converts, or people who grew up religious abandoning their religious identity?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639607 - 04/30/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on.



You haven't been out in the world much have you?

Violence and rape are as common as muck out there.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639615 - 04/30/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on.



You haven't been out in the world much have you?

Violence and rape are as common as muck out there.



I know. And thats my point. We dont all do it. Some do.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639627 - 04/30/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Violence is in everyone. Rape less so but I'd bet nearly all humans have thought of it.

You seem to think that you can outthink your way to being at peak mental health without oodles of social interaction.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

That is all.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26639636 - 04/30/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh no im not saying you can achieve peak mental health in isolation, well i mean, maybe you can. Monks can. But thats not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that you shouldnt make yourself depressed for being alone or feeling lonely. There is nothing wrong with it and being depressed about it is just going to make it harder to talk to people. I dont think people should buy into this hype that social interaction is NECESSARY for happiness, because it isnt.


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