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Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? * 1
    #26639453 - 04/30/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I feel a major source of what was my depression was this feeling as though there was something wrong with me or like everyone hated me because i don't talk to people. I had this belief that people thought we were doomed to a life of misery and despair if we became isolated . In todays day/age we are able to stay connected socially, even amidst a crisis forcing us into self isolation.  We always have the option to communicate to each other. But what of those of us who choose not even to do that? Not even attempt to make friends online? Are we then, too considered automatically sad and destined to a life of missed opportunities?

It wasn't until after i accepted my situation, that i was able to drop the definitions and belief structures tied to these things. And it wasn't until then was i able to learn how to generate pockets of happiness amidst the gaps of existential static.

This is a simulation, guys. You're not confined to a society's consensus opinions about what things should make you feel one way or another. We literally program the way we react to things and process information. "Waking up" to this realization, we are able to be not only the test subjects, but the scientist as well


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 2
    #26639482 - 04/30/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like SOME level of communication is needed to be happy for most people, either in life talking, or talking on the phone, or texting or message boards, etc...

I feel like humans are inheritably social beings therefore need some social stimulation of some kind to be Happy or at the least "sane".

Ive been depressed from a lack of friends/interactions, which actually makes u wanna socialize less. Its a terrible place for me. I hope I never return to that state. :nonono:

Also the Simulation is Real. Soul-Learning in a 3D Realm.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26639495 - 04/30/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

True, i also feel like SOME is required, and total 100% isolation could be similar to sensory deprivation,  making you delirious like in cast away

But i dont think we need nearly as much as most people say we do, in order to not be a seriel killer or weird creep


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 2
    #26639532 - 04/30/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I feel a major source of what was my depression was this feeling as though there was something wrong with me or like everyone hated me because i don't talk to people. I had this belief that people thought we were doomed to a life of misery and despair if we became isolated . In todays day/age we are able to stay connected socially, even amidst a crisis forcing us into self isolation.  We always have the option to communicate to each other. But what of those of us who choose not even to do that? Not even attempt to make friends online? Are we then, too considered automatically sad and destined to a life of missed opportunities?

It wasn't until after i accepted my situation, that i was able to drop the definitions and belief structures tied to these things. And it wasn't until then was i able to learn how to generate pockets of happiness amidst the gaps of existential static.

This is a simulation, guys. You're not confined to a society's consensus opinions about what things should make you feel one way or another. We literally program the way we react to things and process information. "Waking up" to this realization, we are able to be not only the test subjects, but the scientist as well




There is data to support that loneliness is bad for your health. That being said however it is accepted that the level of social interaction that people need varies. But humans do need some form of social interaction, I mean you are posting on a forum so.....

You didn’t really drop anything, you are within the expected tolerances of the variance of people that need social interaction. This isn’t a simulation and the data does support the claims that social interaction does lead to greater happiness. We don’t program anything, it’s just how humans are. We are social creatures after all. You aren’t testing the scientist, you don’t even know the science behind it.

The verdict so far is that while the amount of interaction necessary varies based on the person some degree of it is needed for our health. Not only that but for intellectual honesty, otherwise you get an echo chamber from isolation.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26639540 - 04/30/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's really very simple; we ARE social creatures. Nothing can deny the fact that millions of years of evolution, and each of our own existences, has been perpetuated by an ancestor that was good socially.

People who don't socialise, don't mate.

I feel from the very core of my being that having good social connections is one of the absolute core tenets of being mentally healthy. I don't think it is possible to be so without them.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639545 - 04/30/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of our cultures and others we surround ourselves with and are exposed to , but we are not bound to it, we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639548 - 04/30/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also I can say that from personal experience, solitude is over hyped. You really just end up stuck in your own ways of being and thinking and it makes it very hard to deal with people on return.

Distance from people is nice every now and then for perspective, but too much is detrimental. Though some religions praise it as a virtue, Buddhism being one


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639553 - 04/30/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of others , but we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it




The funny thing is that you don’t. “We” don’t determine anything, it’s already been down just like we don’t choose what we believe. This implies a sort of free will that doesn’t exist.

Also changing beliefs doesn’t change reality. You can believe you’re invulnerable but that doesn’t make it so, etc etc.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639572 - 04/30/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm talking strictly about beliefs of how things make us feel. Which is 100% subjective. Thats what a belief IS.. its what makes it, not a fact...


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639574 - 04/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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True, i also feel like SOME is required, and total 100% isolation could be similar to sensory deprivation,  making you delirious like in cast away

But i dont think we need nearly as much as most people say we do, in order to not be a seriel killer or weird creep




Id agree with that. I would consider myself a "social introvert", a mix of enjoying being alone and interacting with a select number of people.

Also Thanatos is right about socializing and health: Ive read that socializing helps stimulate your brain and can help prevent Alzheimer's.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26639575 - 04/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yea i just said that i believe some is necessary. And we do determine how we feel about things which is influenced by the beliefs of our cultures and others we surround ourselves with and are exposed to , but we are not bound to it, we also have the ability to change those beliefs that we hold ourselves, which is the fundamental root from where we draw meaning and take action. Changing these beliefs quite literally changes the reality as we experience it



Culture is brand new and always changing. Human nature is millions of years old. I disagree that this is a case of 'mind over matter'.

I've have known literally thousands of people in my life. It's unanimous that the happiest are those that have the most wide, varied, and deep social connections.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639594 - 04/30/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It is true you cant ignore history especially when it remains consistent and dates back millions of years. But there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on. Our level of attachments to things can be altered and you can witness yourself becoming a different person. changing values, beliefs and ideals is as normal a thing in life as changing jobs, cars or apartments. Most people just have such a strong attachment to their social identity they just cant let go of the idea that its a terrible thing to be a nobody coasting through life


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639595 - 04/30/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm talking strictly about beliefs of how things make us feel. Which is 100% subjective. Thats what a belief IS.. its what makes it, not a fact...




Those are also out of your control. It’s funny how we believe ourselves to be masters of our fate when really we are just deterministic meat puppets.

Also that’s not what a belief is, it’s more than just that sector.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639600 - 04/30/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It is true you cant ignore history especially when it remains consistent and dates back millions of years. But there are other traits as qell such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to keep a grip on. Our level of attachments to things can be altered and you can witness yourself becoming a different person, changing values, beliefs and ideals is as normal a thing in life as changing jobs, cars or apartments. Most people just have such a steong attachment to their social identity they just cant let go of the idea that its a terrible thing to be a nobody coasting through life




Also not true. The truth is that despite what you want to believe most people don’t change THAT much over the course of their lives without some dramatic event happening. It’s nothing to do with attachment.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639602 - 04/30/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If a belief is not subjective, then what is it ?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639606 - 04/30/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

How does attachment have nothing to do with belief? How is it we have no control over what we believe? And if thats the case how come we have so many religious converts, or people who grew up religious abandoning their religious identity?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639607 - 04/30/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on.



You haven't been out in the world much have you?

Violence and rape are as common as muck out there.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639615 - 04/30/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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there are other traits as well such as violence and rape, we also have carried with us for millions of years that we somehow manage to contain and keep a grip on.



You haven't been out in the world much have you?

Violence and rape are as common as muck out there.



I know. And thats my point. We dont all do it. Some do.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639627 - 04/30/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Violence is in everyone. Rape less so but I'd bet nearly all humans have thought of it.

You seem to think that you can outthink your way to being at peak mental health without oodles of social interaction.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

That is all.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26639636 - 04/30/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh no im not saying you can achieve peak mental health in isolation, well i mean, maybe you can. Monks can. But thats not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that you shouldnt make yourself depressed for being alone or feeling lonely. There is nothing wrong with it and being depressed about it is just going to make it harder to talk to people. I dont think people should buy into this hype that social interaction is NECESSARY for happiness, because it isnt.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639649 - 04/30/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh no im not saying you can achieve peak mental health in isolation, well i mean, maybe you can. Monks can. But thats not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that you shouldnt make yourself depressed for being alone or feeling lonely. There is nothing wrong with it and being depressed about it is just going to make it harder to talk to people. I dont think people should buy into this hype that social interaction is NECESSARY for happiness, because it isnt.




Actually research shows it is NECESSARY for happiness but the degree varies. It’s not that we make ourselves feel depressed or sad when alone, that is what happens when we are alone. Humans are social creatures, we only achieve when united. A single human is not much but a tribe is a force. One needs only to look at infants to see an example.

Also monks aren’t really a good example. There are plenty of cases where they commit sexual transgressions against others, same with priests. It’s what happens when you try to will away something.

Also the fact that you are on a forum, stating your points and trying to seek some kind of validation for them sort of shoots your OP in the foot.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639665 - 04/30/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, i'm not trying to prove anything. That's why i didnt cite any sources. I'm just sharing a thought i had and was curious about others views on the topic


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    #26639683 - 04/30/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Uh huh


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    #26639700 - 04/30/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639712 - 04/30/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I believe even the most antisocial people still need some human interaction. They punish prisoners with isolation.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/emotional-nourishment/201612/why-we-need-each-other

Humans, because of necessity, evolved into social beings. Dependence on and cooperation with each other enhanced our ability to survive under harsh environmental circumstances. Although the survival threats of these circumstances have lessened in today’s world, people continue to have a need to affiliate with others. Indeed, the lack of such connections can lead to many problems, including loneliness.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639727 - 04/30/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Monks can.



I've lived as a Buddhist monk, several times. They have a ton of social interaction, amongst themselves and in their community.

It IS necessary. It's a nice idea that it wouldn't be. We're all free to tell ourselves whatever stories we like though.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26639739 - 04/30/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I love isolation in the right space, sometimes I think I could isolate in the mountains for the rest of my life, but I have no idea what it would be like if I stopped all interactions with everyone I don't think it's even possible.


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    #26639747 - 04/30/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well sooner or later you'd have to get supplies from town or have it delivered. I guess you could just hide when they came by. I do think some people can isolate better than others, but eventually it seems like it could drive a person mad in certain ways. Those Buddhists still have each other close by even though they are isolated.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26639749 - 04/30/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about, in addition to the quantity of socialization, there is the quality to consider?

Since a person's exact needs are as unique as their fingerprints, the personal and social life needed to feel satisfied also varies. Those who follow the path of monks or other 'holy men' (with and without quotes) tend to do so because they feel no one else around them has the ability to meet those needs. Of course, this doesn't mean they always find the peace they look for, or learn to healthily manage the rest of their needs on a personal level...

You may not be able to change things that happen to you from the outside world, but looking into why you react the way you do to certain situations (which is learned... socially) is a step towards learning to change how you respond to things. Doesn't mean that you won't feel sad when you're lonely, but it makes it more likely that you find a healthy way to cope with it instead of falling into a downwards spiral.

Maybe you could accomplish all that by yourself, but... that would be like saying a house can maybe build itself if you leave the timber and tools there long enough. It's just more practical to find people to help you build it before it rots away...


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26639768 - 04/30/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well sooner or later you'd have to get supplies from town or have it delivered. I guess you could just hide when they came by. I do think some people can isolate better than others, but eventually it seems like it could drive a person mad in certain ways. Those Buddhists still have each other close by even though they are isolated.




The people who do best and thrive in isolation usually have their own land with endless projects and personal work to do so they never go crazy. At least in the stories I've been inspired by


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: trees] * 1
    #26639778 - 04/30/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I feel i wasnt being specific enough in this discussion. I'm specificlly talking about verbal spoken word discussion, as in "socializing", hanging out with friends, going out, etc what everyone is all depressed over not being able to do during lockdown. Not body language, not sign language. Just, the modern view of being "social" and being talkative and carrying on conversations


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639787 - 04/30/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Monks can.



I've lived as a Buddhist monk, several times. They have a ton of social interaction, amongst themselves and in their community.

It IS necessary. It's a nice idea that it wouldn't be. We're all free to tell ourselves whatever stories we like though.




So you are saying all the monks get sad when they have to sit in silence for hours at a time or when they have to take a vow of silence for prolonged periods of time as part of an initiation ritual?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Envix]
    #26639796 - 04/30/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You definitely don't need full on social life to be happy. Just enough to stay mentally human and considerate of your familys concern for you at least, I'd say


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639797 - 04/30/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I feel from the very core of my being that having good social connections is one of the absolute core tenets of being mentally healthy. I don't think it is possible to be so without them.




What are your feelings with regards to Yogins?
Or, even, aesectic withdrawal more generally?

Hinduism has a really strong cultural tradition of social withdrawal
this is typically to be reserved for retirement age, after having engaged with the social world and found the fulfillments that provides
but it is considered to be more 'spiritually advanced' to skip over the worldly life and become a renunciate in the individual's early 20s

Buddhism, at least as it has survived to today,
is more socially engaged in terms of its aescetic traditions
with prolonged isolated periods of meditation considered highly beneficial
with the interesting provision that some traditions even argue that a Yogin who spends the vast majority of their life alone in a cave meditating
is "doing more" for the universal compassion, via the strength of their meditative visualizations

but this is not just an Eastern tendency
there is a tradition I am less familiar with in Christianity known as the Desert Fathers and Mothers
who would also withdraw from society for periods

have to dig around a bit, but watched a BBC documentary or something at one point
where a dude mimicked these forms of social withdrawal
and there was a neat one where he went out into the desert to spend time with a Christian hermit who has been out there feverishly praying for years if not decades

but is the presumed strength of their spiritual accomplishments, perhaps linked to a mental imbalance?


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26639817 - 04/30/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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have to dig around a bit, but watched a BBC documentary or something at one point
where a dude mimicked these forms of social withdrawal
and there was a neat one where he went out into the desert to spend time with a Christian hermit who has been out there feverishly praying for years if not decades
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Found it, this guy



this is an hour long one focused specifically on Christian desert aesceticism
but in other episodes he did things like a withdrawal in a traditional sealed meditation chamber outside of a small village

the experiences of the dude in the documentary definitely reflect the psychological struggle involved in all this
even having someone else there to act as a sort of guide
and with the knowledge that he is filming content that will eventually connect with millions worldwide

but he is also pursuing very real traditions of extreme withdrawal that are considered to advance the individual further
(tho often with the provision that the individual will eventually return to the world to provide their lessons to the broader community)


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26639826 - 04/30/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I find it odd that humans get fulfillment out of actions that make them less....human.

I don’t really see there to be any lessons in such actions. Though I guess if someone believes as such then I guess it’s as worthwhile as anything else


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639831 - 04/30/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: morrowasted]
    #26639834 - 04/30/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I don’t think isolation works for everyone, not me anyway. But in my case I never had a real friendship so I have no idea what one looks like or how it works or what to do.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26640049 - 04/30/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not lonely. Being alone and stuff is ok for a fair amount of time.
One day i do hope to meet just 1 person to be close with.

Have helthy acquaintances with pretty much everybody.
They go their way and i go mine.

I enjoy mostly keeping to myself. Letting people be. I don't really show too much love out there. Also have zero opinion.

not sure why i do that on here. It just seems chill.

I am a bit wierd but it's not in a bad way.

I have definitely met a few people who i would call super weird, like in a really bad way.
feel bad to say it. It's only because they definitely did really sick and messed up things.

So in my opinion non of us are weird in a bad way.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: watermelon mon]
    #26640057 - 04/30/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone has opinions though


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: watermelon mon] * 1
    #26640070 - 04/30/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it depends mostly on your personality type

I’ve always felt like more of a loner type myself, all my life I’ve watched the people around me soak up each other’s attention always feeling like the odd one out.. I’ve also always felt comfortable spending time alone with my thoughts, which seems to be something a lot of people are uncomfortable with or afraid of, particularly extroverted people

Not sure what made me this way, I spent a lot of time reading books as a kid so I learned to paint my own internal pictures pretty early on in life, maybe that has something to do with it I dunno

I still kinda feel like the odd one out a lot of the time, maybe even more so now, I feel like the meth abuse kinda fucked my mind up a bit and made me even more introverted somehow, I rarely/never crave social interaction as a pastime these days, most of the time I would rather be alone.. I believe it’s also the reason I’ve been single for so long, I just feel like I’ve become so introverted that it would be very hard for me to open up enough to someone for them to become attracted to me:shrug: or even for me to have the desire to do so

Plus I just don’t do jack shit other than go to work and go home so that probably doesn’t help either:lol:

Not that I’m really tore up about it or anything, I do miss having a significant other but I know from past experience that having a SO isn’t a magic bullet to curing your mental issues and it has its downsides as well


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #26640102 - 04/30/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well having an SO isn't a fix and many people don't understand that. Whatever problems you had before the relationship will be carried into it. Oddly enough you know you're ready for one when you don't need one.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26640119 - 04/30/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

what one perceives is based partly on what one believes is true - and what one believes is based partly on what one truly perceives.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26640122 - 04/30/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I do


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26640168 - 04/30/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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what one perceives is based partly on what one believes is true - and what one believes is based partly on what one truly perceives.




Not exactly. People believe they'll be alive tomorrow but they can't truly perceive that. Also perception doesn't necessarily entail belief.


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    #26640232 - 05/01/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing wrong with being an introvert or wanting to spend the majority of your time alone.

You do require some level of human interaction for a fully functioning, healthy mind, though. The hardest part is when you know this but it's still a challenge. No fault or judgement OP.


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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26640295 - 05/01/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I find it odd that humans get fulfillment out of actions that make them less....human.

I don’t really see there to be any lessons in such actions. Though I guess if someone believes as such then I guess it’s as worthwhile as anything else




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Re: Do we really need to talk to people to be happy? [Re: Thanatos10]
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what one perceives is based partly on what one believes is true - and what one believes is based partly on what one truly perceives.




Not exactly. People believe they'll be alive tomorrow but they can't truly perceive that. Also perception doesn't necessarily entail belief.



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