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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26637737 - 04/29/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Looking to possible figments of your imagination for answers about if they are actually figments of your imagination is the vetry definition of retarded, IMO.




Yeah, I know. But what else is there?


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26637897 - 04/29/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know how people just "believe" otherwise.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26638381 - 04/30/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Most people see the futility in doing what you're doing and just get on with it.
Most people find a way to lead pretty decent lives, all things considered.
Most people don't spend five years wallowing in fear and cowardice.

It's not like ANYTHING good has come from your questioning.

The situation you are maintaining is pure lose/lose/lose.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26638410 - 04/30/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Love is that even after total annihilation comes a completely pristine rebirth.




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There is a beginning, and there is an end to all things. we grieve the loss of what we hold dear and go on until we, too, end.


But! What if this universe is eternal? What if all things that once begun and ended, will happen again in every possible way, forever?

Think about it! You would not just have one life, but you would have every possible life, in every possible way, forever!

That means that no matter what you lose, your keys, your friends, your life, it would all come back to you, forever.

Rather than a prisoner of circumstance, you are liberated into total freedom.

Even if the sun would explode, a new earth would be, life would form on it and you will be born again into every possible reality.

Be free! Be brave! Play! Work! Achieve! Love!

Not even all the nukes in the world can stop you!

YOU ARE ETERNAL!




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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26638529 - 04/30/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting this identification with all and eternity. Is this a philosophy you have cultivated or something that came to you as an experience or what? I can understand how this kind of perspective frees oneself from the usual spiritual sufferings of humans. However, I have never felt that way.


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Re: What is love? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26638557 - 04/30/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

All my life, since 6yo, I had a spirit guide teach me from beyond, throughout my hardships.

This philosophy is the result of my life quest of understanding the universe, from looking into spirituality, science, the school of life and my spirit guide.

Its simple in the sense that E=MC2 is simple, the formula is a platitude but a wealth of information springs forth in its applications.

Go this journey with me through this supernatural thunderstorm, my human voice chanting a spirit mantra, the written text channelled directly from my spirit guide, His words not mine:

He called it "The Magnificence of You.":





If you'd like a three-paragraph definition of the entire Universe, all that was, is or will be, please enjoy The Nature of All Things - A Theory Of Everything, audiovisual courtesy of a dear musician friend:





Cheers :hug:


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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26638589 - 04/30/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting. I will watch those videos. Food for thought.  :cheers:
Yesterday I was thinking about the human mind and soul. The "I" and the being, how one can be of company to oneself is most interesting. To not feel alone when alone. It seems to me most people have some sort of inner guide, a wisdom that comes from within to enlighten one's conscious mind.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639383 - 04/30/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Most people see the futility in doing what you're doing and just get on with it.
Most people find a way to lead pretty decent lives, all things considered.
Most people don't spend five years wallowing in fear and cowardice.

It's not like ANYTHING good has come from your questioning.

The situation you are maintaining is pure lose/lose/lose.



I recognize that, there is virtually nothing to gain from believing solipsism is true or even worrying about evidence for it being found in the future


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Re: What is love? [Re: Asante]
    #26639393 - 04/30/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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All my life, since 6yo, I had a spirit guide teach me from beyond, throughout my hardships.

This philosophy is the result of my life quest of understanding the universe, from looking into spirituality, science, the school of life and my spirit guide.

Its simple in the sense that E=MC2 is simple, the formula is a platitude but a wealth of information springs forth in its applications.

Go this journey with me through this supernatural thunderstorm, my human voice chanting a spirit mantra, the written text channelled directly from my spirit guide, His words not mine:

He called it "The Magnificence of You.":





If you'd like a three-paragraph definition of the entire Universe, all that was, is or will be, please enjoy The Nature of All Things - A Theory Of Everything, audiovisual courtesy of a dear musician friend:





Cheers :hug:




It sounds like the same level of delusional storytelling humans do to comfort themselves. As far as anyone can honestly say you only get one life and nothing more. You are not eternal, that’s just another wish from humans who fear death in their current state.

I mean we know this universe isn’t eternal. It will reach its end WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY into the future, but it will end. Everything does at some point


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639399 - 04/30/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I recognize that, there is virtually nothing to gain from believing solipsism is true or even worrying about evidence for it being found in the future



Virtually?!?

Please, please, please englighten me as to what benefits there are to that belief, for I can see not even a shred of one.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639423 - 04/30/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I recognize that, there is virtually nothing to gain from believing solipsism is true or even worrying about evidence for it being found in the future



Virtually?!?

Please, please, please englighten me as to what benefits there are to that belief, for I can see not even a shred of one.



In a sense it’s protection, because when you don’t know for sure if anything is real or not then behaving as though it’s not saves you from being hurt in case it ends up not being real and you ended up investing in a fantasy and having it mean nothing


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639511 - 04/30/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Plus aren’t there eastern philosophies that argue that what appears isn’t real? So from that point it would seem solipsism isn’t nonsense like everyone says.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639524 - 04/30/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You're basically just an abject coward. That's what it comes down to.

I hope you learn to join the rest of us in the struggle one day.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26639544 - 04/30/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You're basically just an abject coward. That's what it comes down to.

I hope you learn to join the rest of us in the struggle one day.




Well the price of failure in my case is steep. And from my current dilemma I can’t verify there is an “us” which presents a great problem for me. I can’t really feel solidarity if I don’t even know if it was ever there from the start.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639576 - 04/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Plus aren’t there eastern philosophies that argue that what appears isn’t real? So from that point it would seem solipsism isn’t nonsense like everyone says.




Isn't inherently real
what appears is as real as it appears to be while it appears as such

once it is gone, it is gone forever, because at the core it is empty -- when it returns it is no longer the same
but this also means you cannot truly hold on to anything to begin with

the only assurance is ultimate Chaos/Change/Suffering
but because of that, there are means to bring about the cessation of suffering


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639586 - 04/30/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

edit - forget it/nevermind


Edited by 1234go (04/30/20 06:03 PM)


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26639587 - 04/30/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maya is the concept of illusion in earlier philosophical traditions,
but is come to be recognized as a force of Brahman by Advaita Vedanta

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Maya, (Sanskrit: “magic” or “illusion”) a fundamental concept in Hindu philosophy, notably in the Advaita (Nondualist) school of Vedanta. Maya originally denoted the magic power with which a god can make human beings believe in what turns out to be an illusion. By extension, it later came to mean the powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real. For the Nondualists, maya is thus that cosmic force that presents the infinite brahman (the supreme being) as the finite phenomenal world. Maya is reflected on the individual level by human ignorance (ajnana) of the real nature of the self, which is mistaken for the empirical ego but which is in reality identical with brahman.



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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26639639 - 04/30/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Plus aren’t there eastern philosophies that argue that what appears isn’t real? So from that point it would seem solipsism isn’t nonsense like everyone says.




Isn't inherently real
what appears is as real as it appears to be while it appears as such

once it is gone, it is gone forever, because at the core it is empty -- when it returns it is no longer the same
but this also means you cannot truly hold on to anything to begin with

the only assurance is ultimate Chaos/Change/Suffering
but because of that, there are means to bring about the cessation of suffering




No I’m pretty sure the people I spoke to meant hard “what appears is not real”.


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Re: What is love? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26639653 - 04/30/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I recognize that, there is virtually nothing to gain from believing solipsism is true or even worrying about evidence for it being found in the future



Virtually?!?

Please, please, please englighten me as to what benefits there are to that belief, for I can see not even a shred of one.



In a sense it’s protection, because when you don’t know for sure if anything is real or not then behaving as though it’s not saves you from being hurt in case it ends up not being real and you ended up investing in a fantasy and having it mean nothing




Ultimately you're not saving yourself from being hurt tho

this presume that how you feel at the individual level in the (in solipsism) unreal world
is the same set of feelings the entity will feel when experiences stop
this ascribes the individual ego sensations to the ultimate reality
if all of this is unreal, then that includes your feelings
as the feelings will be gone when the world is gone, there is no basis for hurt

my favourite example a professor used in teaching impermanence/emptiness as it exists in Mahayana Buddhist traditions
was that of seats in the lecture hall
after 3 or 4 lectures, many students settle into a consistent seat
but in a very literal sense, that seat is never actually "theirs"

at the provisional level of sense of ownership, there is none
one could walk in to class for the 9th lecture of the year, and find someone else totally fairly sitting in the preferred location

at the more concrete level of experienced reality tho, there is still none
it is never the same chair, because it is impermanent
in really mundane terms, this means as threads of fabric wear away from use, as the folding mechanism wears down from being put up and down
the chair stops being the chair it was and becomes a new chair, constantly, faster and more frequently than the human mind and individual ego will ever actually ascribe a rate of change

the truth is, by the time the first lecture was over, my butt lifted out of a different chair than it sat down into


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Re: What is love? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26639657 - 04/30/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think you’re missing the point I’m making about solipsism and protecting myself. You are trying to apply what isn’t relevant


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