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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Sporespreder]
#26917030 - 09/04/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sporespreder said: On Tilia Americana near creeks... in washout areas...have you found caerulipes? Nice find!!
No luck finding caerulipes Perfect habitat for them though: (Hemlock/Beech/Birch) near a brook..so many LBM that look like caerulipes coming out the leaf litter/downed logs..they ought to be there somewhere, just have to look harder
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Doc9151]
#26917197 - 09/04/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good info on caerulipes ... I’ve been looking in those areas just too damn dry here in central ny... I messaged Allen I’m gonna send him a non active type I found, the active one is luteus, the non active or extremely weakly active is unknown... I called it spectabilis but the new write up there gives the name to the European non active variety...I’m excited to help🙂thanks for the opportunity!!
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Doc9151]
#26922397 - 09/07/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am also looking for collections of verified inactive ones so I know which species not to include in the lists.
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I picked a bunch of Gyms - Many Gymnopilus Luteus and Quite a few which I would call Spectabilis.
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I do not see any blue bruising, whether I manually bruised it or otherwise.
I am pretty confident these are Id'd properly but I am not confident with eating wild mushrooms in general.
If you are really looking for samples and this can help with researching and identifying actives in this area, I am more than willing to get them to you.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: karri0n]
#26932803 - 09/13/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The red ones are Cortinarius in the C. marylandensis group.
The others I am not sure about, more clear photos would help.
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Alan, I have several collections being sent to me, once I get a sample from them I will forward the collections to you. It would be nice to be able to verify my findings with yours.
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Alan Rockefeller said: The red ones are Cortinarius in the C. marylandensis group.
The others I am not sure about, more clear photos would help.
Sorry...
The others must also be cortinarius. They were growing together on similar woods and have the same shape, density, and texture. When comparing the two its is pretty apparent they are the same genus.
Cortinarius lewisii look like them. But this is all very unrelated to this thread and I apologize for that.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: karri0n]
#26941346 - 09/17/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check the microscopic features, Gymnopilus gills are covered in capitate cystidia and Cortinarius gills never have anything that looks like this.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: karri0n]
#26947208 - 09/21/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The pinners bruise green, the mushroom is yellow-orange
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Sporespreder]
#26957996 - 09/27/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This makes sense. I had been wondering what the gyms in my yard were, since I had found a remarkably pin-happy colony growing on some unknown hardwood plank in my yard that are extremely purple (even turning blue/violet through maturation!) compared to all the others I've been finding. Once they pop up again I will post them, because they really don't match what I usually find for G. lepidotus or cyanopalmicola. For reference, I've been finding them in Florida. I actually have some tissue samples attempting to colonize some pine chips in a jar right now. I would not be surprised if they were a totally different species.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Malachite]
#26958475 - 09/28/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good read thanks for the synopsis Alan!
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#26960021 - 09/29/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now, unless these aren't gymns (and they have extremely thick orange spore prints), I'm not really sure what species they could be. Doesn't seem like a match for anything I've found down here before. They stay pretty small, perhaps just a weak patch though.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Malachite]
#26961266 - 09/30/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank You, informative & interesting!
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Malachite]
#26961439 - 09/30/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now, unless these aren't gymns (and they have extremely thick orange spore prints), I'm not really sure what species they could be. Doesn't seem like a match for anything I've found down here before. They stay pretty small, perhaps just a weak patch though.
I've found those same little gyms before, never ate them because they were so small didn't seem worth it.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26962043 - 09/30/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Same. I just think they're pretty.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Malachite]
#26981356 - 10/12/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I came across this paper in addition to related papers just some days ago and its been driving me crazy ever since.For several reasons. The biggest is an answer to the question of whether psychoactivity (presence of psilocybin) correlates to phylogeny or not. In other words can we expect certain clades within gymnopilus to be active and other clades not. In recent years I would have answered yes to this question and this would highly likely lead to gymnopilus being split into two genuses as happened some years ago to the psilocybe genus. This is opposed to some species within a clade being active and others not within the same clade. Which doesn't make sense to me??
Right now the only gyms that I feel confidant are active are those that are in that red capped active clade that Alan mentions in the opening post. I wish to add something positive here before becoming totally confused with the Junonius clade. It was mentioned earlier in the thread that Alan was collecting names of active gyms species.
There is this paper that I came across recently. Gymnopilus dunensis, a new species from Punjab province, Pakistan HIRA BASHIR et al Phytotaxa 428 (1): 051–059 Within the paper G.dunensis sits firmly within the active clade. Another species of interest is G.igniculus whose phylogeny would indicate that it too is active.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: mycot]
#26981445 - 10/12/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mycot said: There is this paper that I came across recently. Gymnopilus dunensis, a new species from Punjab province, Pakistan HIRA BASHIR et al Phytotaxa 428 (1): 051–059 Within the paper G.dunensis sits firmly within the active clade. Another species of interest is G.igniculus whose phylogeny would indicate that it too is active.
Now that's pretty interesting. I'm glad I get to live through the restructuring of the Gymnopilus taxonomy lol. I hope I'm able to contribute in some fashion.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: mycot]
#26981591 - 10/12/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is where I plunge deep down the rabbit hole. Within the first few sentences of the paper G.junonius, G.spectabilis and G.pampeanus are regarded as synonymous with the prefered name being g.junonius. With the implication of psychoactivity within the clade, and additional reasons you can imagine my suprise when I came across. Cultivation requirements and substrate degradation of the edible mushroom Gymnopilus pampeanus—A novel species for mushroom cultivation María Belén Colavolpe, Edgardo Albertó Scientia Horticulturae 180 (2014) 161–166 My first thought was - Geez I hope these guys know what they are doing, otherwise they'll have the whole town tripping out.  On the other hand this seems like a really good paper. In it he mentions G.pampeanus being consumed in Argentina and Uruguay. Unfortunately no phylogenetic sequence in this paper.
Before getting too comfortable and decides to tuck into a nice plate of the shrooms just mentioned,(especially those who have written off activity for the taxon as most analysis show)they might want to consider this.- Determining the pharmacokinetics of psilocin in rat plasma using ultra-performance liquid chromatography coupled with a photodiode array detector after orally administering an extract of Gymnopilus spectabilis Jianbo Chen et al Journal of Chromatography B, 879 (2011) 2669–2672 My own opinion is a mis-identification on the part of the authors. They don't say much about where they sourced their G.spectabilis from. Again no phylogentic sequence here either.
To further confuse the issue of synonymy we have this paper.- Species of Gymnopilus P. Karst: New to India Kaur H et al Mycosphere 6(1): 165–173(2015) In it the authors Have G.pampeanus and G.spectabilis as distinct species complete with detailed descriptions, line drawings and photographs of two quite different looking shrooms. The photography in this paper is extraordinary and worth getting for that alone. A real pity there wasn't sequencing to go along with paper. One could almost go 
Any light shed down the rabbit hole most welcome!!!
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: Malachite]
#26981763 - 10/12/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malachite said: Now that's pretty interesting. I'm glad I get to live through the restructuring of the Gymnopilus taxonomy lol. I hope I'm able to contribute in some fashion.
I've been looking at this for some years and waiting for some years for genbank to get a sequence for G.luteus (with its reputed activity) to shed more light on phylogenetic relationships and psychoactivety. Well genbank got that acquisition recently with this paper and it hasn't clarified much at all. Rather the implication is left that G.luteus is actually inactive.
Within the paper bluing is only mentioned with G.speciosissimus and that only in connection with the annulus. Most peculiar. One would expect bluing to be more widespread as in caps and stems or the base of stems. The photo might be seen to have very slight bluing in the annulus region, can't say for sure from same.
P.S. Some years ago due to a number of factors I argued that G.sapineus was an active species. I've more recently believed that species to be inactive due its sequence being very different to the active clades and obviously more closely related to inactive clades.
Lots of ways to contribute. You're probably already doing it. Cheers.
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Re: New paper on the Gymnopilus junonius group [Re: mycot]
#26982410 - 10/12/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mycot said: Within the paper bluing is only mentioned with G.speciosissimus and that only in connection with the annulus. Most peculiar. One would expect bluing to be more widespread as in caps and stems or the base of stems.
Woah, are they implying that it only bruises in the annulus? can't really have a confirmation from a lack of information, but that is very odd, and a very specific region to note bluing. But if that happens to be true, I'd be very interested to see if Gymnopilus somehow focuses all Psilocybin synthesis/storage on the annulus. Doesn't really make much sense, but is fascinating. And the Gymns around me will bruise just by existing too long and the elements doing their thing, so if that field sample bruised they had to have seen it in more places than just the annulus. That's so wild.
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