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Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks?
    #26638559 - 04/30/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Now I know you’re supposed to harvest right when the veil beaks.. just wondering if that means the mushrooms stop producing psilocybin after the veil breaks? 

So technically if you had what would amount to an 1/8 dried, veil just broken and ready to harvest.. but let them grow a little longer and gain maybe .5 a gram in dried weight.. they just gained weight, not any more active ingredient?

So basically, would that 3.5 g (dry) harvested right at veil break contain the same amount of psilocybin as it would if it the caps got bigger and weighed out to 4+g (dry)?

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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: toadsmack]
    #26638565 - 04/30/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We harvest at that time to avoid spores getting everywhere


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26638567 - 04/30/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We harvest at that time to avoid spores getting everywhere




so technically the best time to harvest is right before spore drop.. not right after veil break?

and so they are still producing psilocybin after the veil  breaks?


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: toadsmack]
    #26638568 - 04/30/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What I’ve heard is that once the cap opens psilo production stops but shroom can continue taking in water and growing.

The whole topic is weird to me. Ime smaller shrooms seem to be more potent, which makes sense cuz everybody agrees aborts are stronger but a lot of very experienced people say big ones are just as potent.

Then there’s the whole aspect of when you take a dose comprised of one large mushroom you’re locked in to that specific shrooms potency, whereas the same dose made up of multiple smaller shrooms is more likely to give you a better idea of average potency.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26638575 - 04/30/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

cool makes sense, thanks!


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: toadsmack]
    #26638578 - 04/30/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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toadsmack said:
Quote:

The Mycologist said:
We harvest at that time to avoid spores getting everywhere




so technically the best time to harvest is right before spore drop.. not right after veil break?

and so they are still producing psilocybin after the veil  breaks?




The veil breaking is the only way to tell when the spores are gonna drop.

I think whatever psilocybin differences are negligible/nonexistant.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26638582 - 04/30/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I remember people saying that pins had all the psilocybin of a fully grown mushroom, which never made sense to me, because you could just pick those and not only transport/store/dose them easier, but catch less charges due to weight if caught.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: ninja cat 09] * 1
    #26638585 - 04/30/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I did some research about that cuz I thought the same thing, why let them grow at all then.

It turns out there’s a lot in pins to start but they produce a significant amount more while growing.

So pins are more potent by weight but you get more actives overall letting them grow.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26638606 - 04/30/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Makes sense to me that a ton of little guys would have the most actives per weight.

As they grow bigger you have more tissue with the same amount of actives spread through a bigger mass.

But who knows, you'd need a lab setup to test for actives.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26638625 - 04/30/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here's the take from Wiki:

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Both the caps and the stems contain the psychoactive compounds, although the caps consistently contain more. The spores of these mushrooms do not contain psilocybin or psilocin. The total potency varies greatly between species and even between specimens of a species collected or grown from the same strain. Because most psilocybin biosynthesis occurs early in the formation of fruit bodies or sclerotia, younger, smaller mushrooms tend to have a higher concentration of the drug than larger, mature mushrooms. In general, the psilocybin content of mushrooms is quite variable (ranging from almost nothing to 1.5% of the dry weight) and depends on species, strain, growth and drying conditions, and mushroom size. Cultivated mushrooms have less variability in psilocybin content than wild mushrooms. The drug is more stable in dried than fresh mushrooms; dried mushrooms retain their potency for months or even years, while mushrooms stored fresh for four weeks contain only traces of the original psilocybin.

The psilocybin contents of dried herbarium specimens of Psilocybe semilanceata in one study were shown to decrease with the increasing age of the sample: collections dated 11, 33, or 118 years old contained 0.84%, 0.67%, and 0.014% (all dry weight), respectively. Mature mycelia contain some psilocybin, while young mycelia (recently germinated from spores) lack appreciable amounts. Many species of mushrooms containing psilocybin also contain lesser amounts of the analog compounds baeocystin and norbaeocystin,[134] chemicals thought to be biogenic precursors. Although most species of psilocybin-containing mushrooms bruise blue when handled or damaged due to the oxidization of phenolic compounds, this reaction is not a definitive method of identification or determining a mushroom's potency.




The part about smaller mushrooms having more than more mature ones is referenced to:

Gartz J (1992). "New aspects of the occurrence, chemistry and cultivation of European hallucinogenic mushrooms".


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26638671 - 04/30/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I did some research about that cuz I thought the same thing, why let them grow at all then.

It turns out there’s a lot in pins to start but they produce a significant amount more while growing.

So pins are more potent by weight but you get more actives overall letting them grow.





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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26638676 - 04/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

At a certain point the mushrooms keep gaining in weight but not potency.
So the mushrooms don't lose any potency, but they become less potent *by weight*.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26638684 - 04/30/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've eaten pounds and pounds of mushrooms. Didn't matter if they had unbroken veils or dropped spores with curled up caps they always seemed roughly the same.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: shevanel]
    #26638688 - 04/30/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They really don't gain that much weight once the caps open, big open caps dry out pretty light so the difference likely isn't all that noticable.

I harvest before veils break so I don't get a spore mess, they dry nicer looking and don't crumble as easy


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26638726 - 04/30/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea I don't grow for weight. I often try to harvest before the veil breaks as well


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: shevanel]
    #26638790 - 04/30/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When I was beginning, I was picking them waay to early and they were definitely way stronger. However, I don't think psilocybin production is completely stopped at any point, it just gets reduced.


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: poisoned]
    #26638808 - 04/30/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you harvest younger smaller fruits, would you get better later flushes due to less of the sub getting used up?


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: Kyhoops1]
    #26638825 - 04/30/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One way to find out


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: poisoned]
    #26638836 - 04/30/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I like em before the veil breaks for a loadof reasons


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Re: Do Shrooms basically “get weaker” after the veil breaks? [Re: Enkidu]
    #26638880 - 04/30/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I harvest before the veil breaks, hell, I harvest usually when they are still fairly small and they do a good job. I think the smaller they are, the more mushies - leading to potency.


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