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anyone try to grow chaga ?
    #26637928 - 04/29/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Would love to hear about if so. especially if it can be grown indoors, or at least in a controlled way.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: mistermushly]
    #26638620 - 04/30/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Neither the mushroom, nor the more familiar big brown chunks you see (sclerotium) can be cultivated.

I mean you can put dowels in live birch trees and wait years and hope, if you want to call that cultivation, but...


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Forrester]
    #26639397 - 04/30/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thanks Forrester,
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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: mistermushly]
    #26640140 - 04/30/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You can grow out the mycelium for extracts. I got a culture I will be doing that with is the future.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Mad Hatter] * 2
    #26643456 - 05/02/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You can grow out the mycelium for extracts. I got a culture I will be doing that with is the future.




You can certainly do that, and some do, just keep in mind that the fungus gets a lot of the medicinal components found in it's sclerotia from the birch tree itself.  Betulinic acid for example, which it turns into all sorts of other good stuff.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: mistermushly]
    #27450324 - 08/31/21 01:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Someone has grown chaga. Just look up change cultivation on google, you'll see a pic labeled homegrown chaga, and its under reddit. I mean it probably shouldn't be too hard because it's just a mass of mycelium technically.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27450327 - 08/31/21 01:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Wish I could post the pic, but it's online. So my phone doesn't do that. But it's a very interesting topic. I'm thinking about trying it, and I always wonder why all these culture libraries sell supposedly hard to grow cultures, like chaga, agarikon, red belted polypore, artist conk. I figure hey, it'd take years to grow one the size u find in nature and it probably wouldn't look the same. But u could still probably grow a very small one. Like even if it takes 10 plus years to grow an agarikon you find in the woods, you could probably still grow a few grams of it in a month or two, same with artist conk and chaga.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27450929 - 08/31/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone has grown chaga. Just look up change cultivation on google, you'll see a pic labeled homegrown chaga, and its under reddit.




Really?  Cause I tried that and this is what google tells me. 
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Chaga mushroom (Inonotus obliquus), which has invaluable medicinal uses, grows only on living trees. To date, it is still harvested from its natural habitat and is not cultivated artificially.



If you have a link to what you're talking about it would be interesting to see.  I'm sure someone has probably done it.  Someone here in this forum got chaga to actually FRUIT on agar. 

I'm just not sure what the point would be.  It can be acquired fairly cheaply from those in regions where it grows, and like mentioned the actual sclerotia will be much better medicinally than grown mycelium since it derives many of it's medicinals from the birch tree.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Forrester]
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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27451301 - 08/31/21 05:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

As a side note, I really wish agarikon could be grown indoors. It really looks badass, I live way too far from where it'd likely be found.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27452161 - 09/01/21 11:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

What a cool pic it looks so funky, are you thinking of trying to cultivate some


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Freefrom] * 1
    #27452242 - 09/01/21 12:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yes most definitely want to try. I mean that's the only evidence I can find that it can be done, so it must be rather difficult, or maybe strain dependant, but possible. With something like that, I would not aim to grow a big mass. I would aim for a small amount, and just try to do it consistently if a small mass can be produced in the timeframe it would take to grow turkey tails or reishi.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27452340 - 09/01/21 01:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I was actually perusing for some inoculated spawn on north spore today and they happen to have a chaga culture, pretty pricey though


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Krismn]
    #27452350 - 09/01/21 02:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I looked under pics. https://amp.reddit.com/r/MushroomGrowers/comments/a730l2/generalhomegrown_chaga_is_this_what_its_supposed/




Yeah, that doesn't look anything like Chaga.  Looks more like an infection of some sort!


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Forrester]
    #27452358 - 09/01/21 02:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that looks like a polypore and Chaga looks like a roasted marshmallow so :shrug: I really don't know. Interesting nonetheless


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: deadmandave]
    #27452407 - 09/01/21 03:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Certainly not inconceivable that you could drill and plug...  It's easy to clone the sclerotia and I've seen fruiting bodies produced on an old agar dish (on here somewhere...) so I think it's pretty feasible.  You're only growing one sclerotia per plug likely so it'll take some space to produce volume given the couple years a decent sized conk takes to grow :lol:  I accidentally tossed my couple plates from a clone out :facepalm:  Going to start again this week with a new clone and we'll at least be back to square one.  This has always interested me,  as a person who harvests large quantities of chaga every year.  It's pretty intensive labor at scale.  Logistically frustrating unless that's all you do all day. 
I don't think it could be grown indoors,  honestly.  It has a complex and unique life cycle, and is subject to parameters that other fungi that we grow are not.  Outdoors... I don't see why not.  Maximizing yield would be the great frustrator (and effectively managing space).  Then there's the question of rather a culture from a sclerotia clone will in fact translate to sclerotia or rather you need to start from spores.  That very well may be the case.

Here's a random pic of a piece of decaying fruiting body/structure I found yesterday while harvesting porcini,  for no reason except chaga is nifty...  Tubular,  brah.


Go for it man.  Reach for the stars. :saulgoodman:

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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27453044 - 09/02/21 01:45 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I mean the pic to me def looks like a polypore, but chaga, not so much, unless u account for the lack of melanin and hard outer layer. Maybe it's morphology would change with conditions? We know that reishi and oysters prolong their stems if co2 is high, I know from experience turkeytails will not go further than the popcorn stage if co2 is too high. Oysters can be white in warmer temps (75-80) and turn brown in colder temps, I know this because I grew a whitish grey one from the store, put it in a patch in winter and the winter fruit bodies were chocolate brown, short stems and big caps. So we know that regularly cultivated mushrooms morphology changes with environmental stimuli. So if this is indeed chaga, it's strange apparence is likely due to its changed environment, indoors is nothing like it's natural environment so why would it look the same? But again it's the only evidence I found. I for one am not saying this isn't chaga but since it's the only evidence, it could have been just happenstance he got a good strain, or he did something right that others did not and may not even know what that was. But it's interesting. It opens the possibility that other difficult species can be accomplished, maybe not commercially but personally. Also note that it wasn't always possible, or so we thought, to grow morals artificially. Someone did figure out the complexity to moral formation due to changing temps and its now patented and grown commercially. But still the majority of morals are wild harvested. if you can unlock the complex triggers, u can artificially grow most saprophytic and parasitic mushrooms. Mycorrhizael may be different because sum include complexities such as waiting decades as with truffles.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
    #27453059 - 09/02/21 02:05 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a random pic of a piece of decaying fruiting body/structure I found yesterday while harvesting porcini,  for no reason except chaga is nifty...  Tubular,  brah.






That is awesome.  So rare to actually find the fruiting body in the wild!

I think it was Amanita Virosa that grew the chaga fruits on agar, by accident IIRC.

Oh wait, yes it was, Here's his thread about chaga fruiting on the plate

So cool.


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Forrester]
    #27453078 - 09/02/21 02:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That's the one!  Thanks for pulling that out of your hat, man. :toast:    I should have remembered a poster with a name like that lol.
I recently found a fresher fruiting body with a heavy spore deposit on the wood around/below.  Thought about harvesting spores and using serial dilution to clean them up a bit so I could explore growth differences between a new culture and cloned sclerotia.  Hesitated like a potatohead.
Have to wait for another opportunity now.  Remarkably easy to clone the sclerotia though.  AV got fruiting bodies from sclerotia so that says something (and negates a small part of my prior rambling).


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #27453858 - 09/02/21 04:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It would be interesting to try and find out what it takes to get it to fruit on agar like that.  I've seen a lot of people get cultures from cloned sclerotia but they don't frequently tend to fruit, that I've seen anyway...


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #27454177 - 09/02/21 09:24 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I tried to grow some 15 years ago.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21438329#21438329
It probably tried to fruit pushing some hard pins? against the bag. I doubt that they weren't those other structures. For those probably a host is needed... ?
Do other trees produce them if infected with this parasite?


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Re: anyone try to grow chaga ? [Re: Speeker]
    #27454310 - 09/03/21 12:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That was a cool experiment.  Thanks for sharing Speeker :hatsoff:  So on agar and bulk, a culture from a sclerotia clone forms fruitbodies it seems.  :takingnotes: Nice to see a little pattern reveal itself.  Finally putting another clone to agar today...  Think the new goal is: grow fruitbodies,  allow to sporulate in an aseptic environment,  collect spores,  put to agar...


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