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Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin * 2
    #26637907 - 04/29/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was wondering if anyone here has experimented with alternative delivery methods of consuming Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms besides eating dried mushrooms (ex. cold water extraction, fresh fruit bodies, tea) and what effects they had on onset, duration, experience, intensity ect.?

I was mostly curious if there was a way to consume it that gave a faster onset and shorter duration?

Has anyone tried hot water extraction, alcohol extraction, dual extraction, Psilocybin crystallization, cooking with the fruit bodies


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill]
    #26638222 - 04/30/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

check this video
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26636752
in which the ROI of injected Mushrooms is discussed by living legend Dr. David E. Nichols.
Although mostly he discusses his origin story and the people he met and how he was more of a chemical technical character rather than a charismatic cultural icon for the boomers.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26638303 - 04/30/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hot water extraction (tea) tends to have a faster onset and shorter duration when compared to eating the mushrooms, which can depend more on stomach contents/digestion. If you add lemon to the tea and allow it to sit for a good 20 minutes then it further increases the effects, speed of the onset and decreases the duration.

In 'The Brain a Secret History - Mind Control' British doctor Michael Mosely takes 2 milligrams of psilocybin via IV which was interesting and seemed to have greatly increased the effects of such a small dose, including the speed of onset and decreasing the duration.

The sound on this YouTube video linked isn't great but the sections related to psilocybin are at 2 minutes in, and then 25 minutes.

I'm currently carrying out an alcohol extraction with vodka which has been sitting for a couple of months but haven't tried it yet...


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill]
    #26638311 - 04/30/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

making tea is what you are looking for. Search for Primal Soup's mushroom tea. Essentially it is just: chop fresh mushrooms, bring to boil and mash steep for 20 with citric acid 1:50 mushroom weight. Something along those lines. Also you can do a 2nd extract in this way. I just tried that and there is definitely strength there, maybe 10% of the initial.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: Karuna]
    #26638697 - 04/30/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the link. Might be a better copy on iPlayer (BBC), or Netflix....

I’ve just started my first alcohol extraction; and using 40% vodka. Nearly two weeks in.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill]
    #26639103 - 04/30/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I was wondering if anyone here has experimented with alternative delivery methods of consuming Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms besides eating dried mushrooms (ex. cold water extraction, fresh fruit bodies, tea) and what effects they had on onset, duration, experience, intensity ect.?

I was mostly curious if there was a way to consume it that gave a faster onset and shorter duration?






You might want to check these forums for the first.  Eating fresh is better than dried IME.

For the second you're talking about tea.  Except not really the shorter duration, since the comeup is much faster, so overall the time frame is about the same.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26640696 - 05/01/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I thought lemon/citric acid was bogus and just a tea is as effective.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: oculodextro]
    #26640780 - 05/01/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I thought lemon/citric acid was bogus and just a tea is as effective.



It definitely helps if the acidity (PH level basically) is high enough and mushrooms are allowed to steep long enough. Basically the acid breaks down psilocybin into psilocin so it can be absorbed faster which your stomach acid would have done anyway.

The problem is that for the acidity to be high enough for this to work - it tastes pretty disgusting but if it is only a few mouthfuls of concentrated tea, it can work. There is always option to dilute acidic tea with water (after it has been made) but then there will be more of it to drink :laugh:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26640808 - 05/01/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have understood it so that the acid helps to extract psilocybin and psilocin from the mushrooms during the process.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26640812 - 05/01/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I have understood it so that the acid helps to extract psilocybin and psilocin from the mushrooms during the process.



It extracts fine just with hot water. Acidity releases psilocin from psilocybin so your stomach has to do less work and decreases come up time (and arguably perceived potency).


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26640844 - 05/01/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

From anecdotal evidence I have not experienced any difference between sour tea and just plain water.

I'm done messing with "lemon teks", as it tends to hurt my tummy worse then just plain shroom water


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MrBovineJoni]
    #26640943 - 05/01/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’ve had enough of lemon tea because lately the trips have been becoming way too intense :eek: I’m gonna go back old skool and just make tea.

What the lemon or citric acid does is make more psilocin and psilocybin available for digestion. If you get the ratio correct, it can potentiate the dose by a factor of x2 :thumbup:

So it can work, but not everyone’s cup of tea, pardon the pun

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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill]
    #26640996 - 05/01/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I was wondering if anyone here has experimented with alternative delivery methods of consuming Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms besides eating dried mushrooms (ex. cold water extraction, fresh fruit bodies, tea) and what effects they had on onset, duration, experience, intensity ect.?

I was mostly curious if there was a way to consume it that gave a faster onset and shorter duration?

Has anyone tried hot water extraction, alcohol extraction, dual extraction, Psilocybin crystallization, cooking with the fruit bodies





Lets stop beating around the bush. Who here has done a shroom enema?


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641110 - 05/01/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Lets stop beating around the bush. Who here has done a shroom enema?




I've really considered it for the amount of cramping/nausea I get.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: oculodextro]
    #26641169 - 05/01/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Have you tried tea?

Its the only way I do it

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20712738


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26641251 - 05/01/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I only consume tea :smile:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641306 - 05/01/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, boofing tea is recommended. Whole dried mushrooms first of all you can't fit many in there, and they cause some pain and it feels very weak.

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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26641312 - 05/01/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can we get a trip report?

I figured it wasnt whole fruits lol


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26641322 - 05/01/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I was just kidding. I haven't actually done an enema :lol:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26641356 - 05/01/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think if you did a strictly water tea it could work

Get that psilocybin all over your prostate

Im starting to convice myself now lol


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26641386 - 05/01/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do I have to do this shit for science?

I figured you grind them up really fine, dilute in distilled water (maybe filter out the grit, probably doesn't mater)

Lay down, hopefully you are limber inject shroom juice into anus and lay on your belly for 15, and I bet it'd hit you in 10 minutes or less.

No more first pass, way more drugs in system.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: oculodextro]
    #26641399 - 05/01/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do it  :manofapproval:  :youthemandawg: :alphabrain:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26641405 - 05/01/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

who's gonna do it and report back? this is some neil armstrong stuff right here, big steps.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26641433 - 05/01/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I have understood it so that the acid helps to extract psilocybin and psilocin from the mushrooms during the process.




Psilocin is more soluble in acidic water.  For psilocybin it doesn't matter and tea from woodlovers with predominant psilocybin works fine without it.



What lemon or citric acid (same thing) does regarding potency is more subtle - by creating citrate salts of the actives (SFAIK) it improves bioavailabilty.  Without it about 50% of the actives are never digested and excreted unused.  So there's room for improving bioefficiency.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill]
    #26641483 - 05/01/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I was wondering if anyone here has experimented with alternative delivery methods of consuming Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms besides eating dried mushrooms (ex. cold water extraction, fresh fruit bodies, tea) and what effects they had on onset, duration, experience, intensity ect.?

I was mostly curious if there was a way to consume it that gave a faster onset and shorter duration?

Has anyone tried hot water extraction, alcohol extraction, dual extraction, Psilocybin crystallization, cooking with the fruit bodies




Youre in luck, cause I have just the thing for you: colonized PF cake extractions. It involves a colonized, ready-to-fruit birthed cake, a blender and cranberry juice with Tang powder. Works very well, very quick trip, very unique. I highly recommend it!


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26641513 - 05/01/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

is a pf cake trip strong enough to justify missing out on the mushrooms it would have grown?


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26641537 - 05/01/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No lol


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: oculodextro]
    #26641547 - 05/01/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Do I have to do this shit for science?

I figured you grind them up really fine, dilute in distilled water (maybe filter out the grit, probably doesn't mater)

Lay down, hopefully you are limber inject shroom juice into anus and lay on your belly for 15, and I bet it'd hit you in 10 minutes or less.

No more first pass, way more drugs in system.




I think you should definitely filter out the grit


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26641572 - 05/01/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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is a pf cake trip strong enough to justify missing out on the mushrooms it would have grown?




I would say yes. PF cakes are easy to make, especially if you make your own spore syringes :shrug:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26641582 - 05/01/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think the mycelium has far less actives per gram.

So why wouldnt you just wait for shrooms?


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641584 - 05/01/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I could but the trip is unique onto itself. Novelty tripping my friend. Ive only done it a couple times. I currently don't have a blender to do it.

YOLO. Try it and LOVE IT.

Its like an RC of shrooms but its all natural.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26641607 - 05/01/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Why would the trip be any different?

I would much rather have more trips. Its a funny way to consume but it seems wasteful to me.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26641628 - 05/01/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I made a simple tek in case anyone wants to try: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26641625&page=0&vc=1#26641625

Im just nudging you to try it once. Not twice. Once. One time. And come back and say it isn't a vastly different experience.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26641860 - 05/01/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like placebo to me. Every trip is different.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: oculodextro]
    #26641912 - 05/01/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It (rectal roa) is certainly possible, easier with something like a 4 subbed tryptamine, but if you can get enough actives in a few mls of liquid you s/b good to go. From my research rectal roa is closest to IV, in that you bypass everything and go right into bloodstream. Caution in dosing and sterile proceedures are a must. 4 sub tryps for instance are said to produce full effects on less than half an oral dose.


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: MycoWill] * 1
    #26642015 - 05/01/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are gonna make boofing the next jenkem. It's only a matter of time before the media starts reporting about how "the big new thing among drug users is shoving drugs up the pooper" and how literally everyone is doing it now. They'll probably use that gif of the syringes as a news clip showing how it's done. You guys are gonna have everyone believing that drug users shove things up their butts. Jenkem 2.0 here we come.

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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26642089 - 05/01/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What about eyeball shots with mushroom juice


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: nooneman]
    #26642098 - 05/01/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Boofing will become the mainstream method of doing drugz? :whattefuck2:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin - aka "JUST BOOF IT" [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26642105 - 05/01/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don't know why LC didn't wake me up earlier for my expert advice.

You could probably adjust my kratom boof tek in my sig for use with shroom tea :hereyougo::b00ftube:

Or if you don't have the balls to boof it, you can just use some Zofran :elderno:

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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin - aka "JUST BOOF IT" [Re: madmodder]
    #26642135 - 05/01/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do u orefer to boof shroom tea or lemon tek?



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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin - aka "JUST BOOF IT" [Re: madmodder] * 1
    #26642147 - 05/01/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on how resilient your boof hole is :flyby:


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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26642340 - 05/01/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It (rectal roa) is certainly possible, easier with something like a 4 subbed tryptamine, but if you can get enough actives in a few mls of liquid you s/b good to go. From my research rectal roa is closest to IV, in that you bypass everything and go right into bloodstream. Caution in dosing and sterile proceedures are a must. 4 sub tryps for instance are said to produce full effects on less than half an oral dose.





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Re: Alternative delivery methods of psilocybin - aka "JUST BOOF IT" [Re: madmodder]
    #26642349 - 05/01/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What if your boof hole is extra resisilient, could ir handle a straight Lemon Oil shroomy extract?


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    #26642357 - 05/01/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That anus is gonna pucker!


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They call Modder the Pucker Pirate.

Soak it for society.


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